Separate WA Gameplay from Regional Elections [SPLIT]

[Zarkanians]

If the World Assembly is going to turn into a federal government, the regional election system needs to be separated from it. This is silly.

Mod Edit: Split from "[PASSED] Pesticide Regulations."

[Imperium Anglorum]

If the World Assembly is going to turn into a federal government, the regional election system needs to be separated from it. This is silly.

The GA pretends your region doesn't exist.

[Zarkanians]

If the World Assembly is going to turn into a federal government, the regional election system needs to be separated from it. This is silly.

The GA pretends your region doesn't exist.

Could you explain what you mean by that, please?

[Tinfect]

The GA pretends your region doesn't exist.

Could you explain what you mean by that, please?

OOC:
Regions are a Gameplay Mechanic. The GA is a RP Forum, and the Resolutions are written from that point of view. Your In-Game Region is irrelevant. Look at mine, the Imperium is a vast Interstellar Empire, it most distinctly does not exist on a magical plateau on a single world, nor is magic even an acknowledged force in the Imperium.

[Zarkanians]

Could you explain what you mean by that, please?

OOC:
Regions are a Gameplay Mechanic. The GA is a RP Forum, and the Resolutions are written from that point of view. Your In-Game Region is irrelevant. Look at mine, the Imperium is a vast Interstellar Empire, it most distinctly does not exist on a magical plateau on a single world, nor is magic even an acknowledged force in the Imperium.

The General Assembly exists outside of the forums. Member nations receive telegrams informing them of GA decisions, and are prompted by notifications to vote on proposals. All proposals are written as if they effect all member nations, and all member nations are apparently expected to comply in good faith with WA proposals.

I've been trying to ignore the WA for years, now, but I can't see any reason to leave the two systems linked up, aside from the fact that separating them would take some time. Separating them would actually benefit the WA more than it would regions, since it would open up a range of potential mechanics that are currently impossible due to there being a great deal of member nations who are only members because they have to be.

It's late, so if this is coming off as abrasive, I apologize. To clarify, I am not demanding that the staff do anything; so far as I'm aware, they're not being paid for this. If they stopped working on NS altogether tomorrow, I'd be upset, but I couldn't blame them for it. I just. I find the fact that the only way to invest a regional leader with power, aside from having them found an entirely new region, is to force them to join the WA and then have other WA member states vote for them sort of ridiculous.

[Excidium Planetis]

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I believe Zarkanians was saying that he can't resign from the WA because he needs to be a WA member to endorse, which is a core part of Gameplay. The argument was that regional endorsement of delegates should be separated from WA membership because it is unfair to force nations to comply with the WA in order to just elect regional leaders. As you well know, regions have nothing to do with the GA, so why are they linked together?

[Araraukar]

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OOC: Could you spoiler or snip the post you quoted, please? And this topic should have its own thread in the Technical Forum, not this thread. Please.

[Zarkanians]

Excidium is correct; I would love to resign, but I can't unless I'm willing to stop voting for our regional delegate. Not as huge an issue for me, since we have an active founder, but many regions don't. Araraukar is also correct; I should have started a thread in Technical, or else searched out an older thread to save space. I made a stupid, immature decision and decided to whine about it on a GA thread; sorry about that.

[Bears Armed]

Excidium is correct; I would love to resign, but I can't unless I'm willing to stop voting for our regional delegate. Not as huge an issue for me, since we have an active founder, but many regions don't. Araraukar is also correct; I should have started a thread in Technical, or else searched out an older thread to save space. I made a stupid, immature decision and decided to whine about it on a GA thread; sorry about that.

OOC: Unless your region has a rule against puppet nations, why not just transfer the WA membership from your main nation to one that exists only for endorsement & regional voting and about whose laws & stats you care less?

[Excidium Planetis]

Excidium is correct; I would love to resign, but I can't unless I'm willing to stop voting for our regional delegate. Not as huge an issue for me, since we have an active founder, but many regions don't. Araraukar is also correct; I should have started a thread in Technical, or else searched out an older thread to save space. I made a stupid, immature decision and decided to whine about it on a GA thread; sorry about that.

OOC: Unless your region has a rule against puppet nations, why not just transfer the WA membership from your main nation to one that exists only for endorsement & regional voting and about whose laws & stats you care less?

While such a system allows participation in regional politics while maintain national sovereignty, there are issues with it.

1) It creates a burden on players by requiring them to maintain another nation separate from their main. Yes, logging in once every 60 days is not much of a requirement, but every single puppet I've had has CTE'd because I just forgot about it.

2) A nation may want regional involvement to be tied to a well known main. This could be for name recognition purposes or something else, but if a player wants to run for delegate and doesn't want some puppet to be their face, then they must be a WA member.

3) It makes no IC sense. Regional politics shouldn't be tied to WA membership from an IC standpoint. The GA doesn't even recognize regions as official things IC (I personally do, as delegates are part of the mechanics, but most GAers don't). It's ironic that even regions which hate the WA IC must use it to elect delegates.

4) It isn't necessary. Regional politics do not need to be tied to the WA. Yes, WA membership is a way to cut down on puppets voting for regional delegates. But another system could prevent players from multi-ing. Universal regional voter registration, anyone?

[Europe and Oceania]

OOC: Unless your region has a rule against puppet nations, why not just transfer the WA membership from your main nation to one that exists only for endorsement & regional voting and about whose laws & stats you care less?

While such a system allows participation in regional politics while maintain national sovereignty, there are issues with it.

1) It creates a burden on players by requiring them to maintain another nation separate from their main. Yes, logging in once every 60 days is not much of a requirement, but every single puppet I've had has CTE'd because I just forgot about it.

I thought it Ceases To Exist after 28 days if you don't log in?

[Excidium Planetis]

While such a system allows participation in regional politics while maintain national sovereignty, there are issues with it.

1) It creates a burden on players by requiring them to maintain another nation separate from their main. Yes, logging in once every 60 days is not much of a requirement, but every single puppet I've had has CTE'd because I just forgot about it.

I thought it Ceases To Exist after 28 days if you don't log in?

Turn on vacation mode, and then you have 60 days.

[Europe and Oceania]

I thought it Ceases To Exist after 28 days if you don't log in?

Turn on vacation mode, and then you have 60 days.

That's cool. I didn't know vacation mode did that as well.

[Bedetopia]

Even if a new system is created to prevent multi-ing, WA membership helps with identifying raiders. Not liking it.

[Excidium Planetis]

Even if a new system is created to prevent multi-ing, WA membership helps with identifying raiders. Not liking it.

But if the new system is implemented, WA membership won't help identify raiders. WA membership only helps identify raiders because right now, raiders have to be WA members to do their job. If a new system is created, they won't have to be in the WA at all, because endorsement will be tied to a new system.

Presumably the new system of detecting multiing would also be publicly displayed, and would be used to identify raiders in much the same way as the WA currently is.