A possible definition of "Native"?

[JURISDICTIONS]

I propose this.

Native - A nation of a region, that was in said region at the time of an invasion, and said nation has no ill will to the region in which it is inhabiting.

[A mean old man]

An exact definition might not be the best idea, as the definition may vary depending on the circumstances of its use. Take a look at the definition in my "Liberate 'Liberty'" proposal if you'd like to see what I mean.

[JURISDICTIONS]

I cannot find that proposal....can you give me a link?

[A mean old man]

It's not submitted yet, as there are still a few things to work out with the writing of the proposal and the region itself, however this is the link to its thread.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=1516119#p1516119

A general skeleton of a definition of "native" as you have provided might be helpful to pull together, however other information, "for the purposes of this resolution," might be necessary in individual liberations.

[JURISDICTIONS]

That is very true and you are right...I did this because i heard in a story that the game administrators have a "FUN" time trying to determine the "Native"!

[Unibot]

It was already defined in "Liberate Land of the Liberals", the definition was written by Whamabama ...

Defines...
(1) "Native" as a nation which takes up residence in a region without the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force;
(2) "Regional Sovereignty" as the collective right of natives to the administration of their region;
(3) "Regional Destruction" as the ejection of all of the natives of a region by a delegate whose actions are not supported by said natives;

[JURISDICTIONS]

Wow... Sorry i did not look that far back....That should be used by everyone as the OFFICIAL definition of "NATIVE".

What do Mods have to say?

[A mean old man]

Wow... Sorry i did not look that far back....That should be used by everyone as the OFFICIAL definition of "NATIVE".

No, thank you. I'd rather not have overly small and specific regulations made for our WA resolutions. I also think we can remember the questionable nature of the "natives" used in that liberation, as well...

[JURISDICTIONS]

No, thank you. I'd rather not have overly small and specific regulations made for our WA resolutions. I also think we can remember the questionable nature of the "natives" used in that liberation, as well...

??? Was there a time when the mods and admins, could not decide on the definition of natives ???

Mr. A mean old man...are you suggesting that... the state of being a native is "questionable"?

[A mean old man]

Mr. A mean old man...are you suggesting that... the state of being a native is "questionable"?

Depending on the circumstances, yes. The state of being a native, depending on the nation in question, can be very questionable.

[Pythagosaurus]

We have no need for a definition of native. Influence rid us of that problem years ago. Now it's your problem.

[Unibot]

Mr. A mean old man...are you suggesting that... the state of being a native is "questionable"?

Depending on the circumstances, yes. The state of being a native, depending on the nation in question, can be very questionable.

Using time as a definition is questionable, the definition in Land of the Liberals can be used universally, thats' why Wham was so brilliant to have came up with it.

[A mean old man]

Using time as a definition is questionable, the definition in Land of the Liberals can be used universally, thats' why Wham was so brilliant to have came up with it.

...and yet there are so many loopholes in it. Adding some specifics depending on the circumstances isn't a bad idea.

[Unibot]

Using time as a definition is questionable, the definition in Land of the Liberals can be used universally, thats' why Wham was so brilliant to have came up with it.

...and yet there are so many loopholes in it. Adding some specifics depending on the circumstances isn't a bad idea.

Loopholes?

[A mean old man]

Loopholes?

"Native" as a nation which takes up residence in a region without the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force;

Sleepers from either side of the R/D spectrum, defenders who enter the region with the message that they are furthering the aims of the region rather than their organization... the possibilities are numerous.

EDIT: Remember Yelda's spoof region...?

Can't you agree with me that additions to the definition based on the circumstances can help narrow the array of individuals down to the exact people we would like it to tag as "natives?"

[Unibot]

Loopholes?

"Native" as a nation which takes up residence in a region without the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force;

Sleepers from either side of the R/D spectrum, defenders who enter the region with the message that they are furthering the aims of the region rather than their organization... the possibilities are numerous.

EDIT: Remember Yelda's spoof region...?

Can't you agree with me that additions to the definition based on the circumstances can help narrow the array of individuals down to the exact people we would like it to tag as "natives?"

Neither of the examples you provided are 'loopholes', sleepers have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force, and defenders have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of their foreign force, even if it is aligned with the goals and aims of the region to which they are liberating.

Additional criteria to the definition will not narrow down to the exact people all of the time, as those arbitrary definitions based on time and location could leave out important members.

[A mean old man]

Neither of the examples you provided are 'loopholes', sleepers have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force, and defenders have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of their foreign force, even if it is aligned with the goals and aims of the region to which they are liberating.

...and yet, depending on how they present themselves, this definition could apply to them. This definition is built around vague appearance and not set in stable facts.

Additional criteria to the definition will not narrow down to the exact people all of the time, as those arbitrary definitions based on time and location could leave out important members.

However, my definition tags at least seven WA members (one of which has unfortunately CTE'd), which I believe is enough. Whether other natives were present in the region before Richard Meier's arrival and have either left or CTE'd is not relevant at the moment.

[[violet]]

I am fine with these definitions so long as players can provide me with brain scans to verify what they did and did not intend!

[Bears Armed]

I am fine with these definitions so long as players can provide me with brain scans to verify what they did and did not intend!

Would a bruin scan suffice?

^_^

[A mean old man]

I am fine with these definitions so long as players can provide me with brain scans to verify what they did and did not intend!

Would a bruin scan suffice?

^_^

Har-dee-har har!

[Unibot]

Neither of the examples you provided are 'loopholes', sleepers have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force, and defenders have the intention of furthering the goals and aims of their foreign force, even if it is aligned with the goals and aims of the region to which they are liberating.

...and yet, depending on how they present themselves, this definition could apply to them. This definition is built around vague appearance and not set in stable facts.

Stable facts can be manipulated and used to adjudicate against natives, nativity in NationStates is affiliation and association, not a time-oriented process.

Anyway, this argument is completely pointless.

[A mean old man]

Anyway, this argument is completely pointless.

Sometimes I think we argue just for the sake of doing so.

[Flibbleites]

Anyway, this argument is completely pointless.

Sometimes I think we argue just for the sake of doing so.

Only sometimes?

[JURISDICTIONS]

Well thanks. I think that my definition, along with that "Liberals" resolution, should comprise of the definition of native.....but by no means does that mean that it has to be used word for word...all definitions are shaped over time...and by adding extra parts on the definition...end the end bring a final force to "Native".