Regional Officers

[[violet]]

Possible Bug Report: One of my regionmates (with Communications RO power) send out a regional telegram via the Regional Admin page. (TG link here for mod/admin viewing) The "image/tag" on this telegram is External Telegram versus Region Telegram, which I think would make more sense since it's being sent by a regional officer.

This should be fixed for telegrams sent from now on.

[Phydios]

I have held WAD for 12 hours, true, but I haven't appointed any RO's with border control as evidenced by the fact that no RO's have border control.......

So why am I waiting an extra day for something I should be able to do in 14 hours?

There was a bug that could prevent the counter from resetting on WA Delegate change. Now fixed. I also manually reset the counter in The Red Fleet Conning Tower.

Thanks for the report!

I just realized something when reading this post. NS is so complicated now, and its foundation is so badly designed for a website this size, that you must fix a million bugs a day, in addition to all the other work you do. (And this isn't even your full-time job, is it?) So thank you for all the effort you have put in and continue to put in to NationStates. It can't be easy.

[Damanucus]

Is there any way to reassign an existing (custom) office to another nation without having to go through the dismiss-assign procedure? I was just doing some post-regional election reassignment, and it just seemed pretty tedious having to dismiss a nation from an office (and thus destroying the office in the process), then assigning a new nation to a brand-new office with the same name and permissions as the one I just deleted.

[[violet]]

No, there isn't, sorry.

[Caelapes]

Is it working-as-intended that an Executive WA Delegate who does not have Border Control authority through the WAD seat, but does through a Regional Office, spends the RO BC influence rather than the WAD BC influence cost? Shouldn't an executive WAD spend the lower WAD costs because of the implied authority even if BC is not explicitly granted through the WAD seat?

[Damanucus]

No, there isn't, sorry.

Any chance that could be implemented in? As I said, it's a little tedious doing the whole dismiss-assign thing.

[Eluvatar]

Is it working-as-intended that an Executive WA Delegate who does not have Border Control authority through the WAD seat, but does through a Regional Office, spends the RO BC influence rather than the WAD BC influence cost? Shouldn't an executive WAD spend the lower WAD costs because of the implied authority even if BC is not explicitly granted through the WAD seat?

Perhaps the Founder wants it to be harder for the WAD to eject natives?

[Caelapes]

Is it working-as-intended that an Executive WA Delegate who does not have Border Control authority through the WAD seat, but does through a Regional Office, spends the RO BC influence rather than the WAD BC influence cost? Shouldn't an executive WAD spend the lower WAD costs because of the implied authority even if BC is not explicitly granted through the WAD seat?

Perhaps the Founder wants it to be harder for the WAD to eject natives?

Then the Founder should remove Executive authority from the WAD.

[[violet]]

Shouldn't an executive WAD spend the lower WAD costs because of the implied authority even if BC is not explicitly granted through the WAD seat?

I don't think so. In the situation you describe, the Delegate is exercising powers granted by an Office. They could exercise WA powers instead if they granted themselves that authority, but the fact is they haven't.

[Lockdownn]

More of a cosmetic "problem".

The login attempt message is overlapped by the ranks.

[edit] Same in "dark" as well:



Mind you, these are manually inflicted bad login attempts.

[Fotar]

I haven't been around in some time, so I am working on getting use to the changes, especially regarding Regional Officers.

My region The Council of Narnia appears to have two officers- myself as the Founder and my WA Delegate. However, we are not showing up in the WFE. I've searched high and low, in options and the forums, for some way to make this happen and I'm now convinced it should be showing up automatically?

Is this a bug, or do I need to do something? Thanks!

[Trotterdam]

Officers only show up in the WFE if you have at least one "nonstandard" officer (that is, besides the founder and delegate). Otherwise, the listing above the WFE is sufficient.

[Fotar]

Officers only show up in the WFE if you have at least one "nonstandard" officer (that is, besides the founder and delegate). Otherwise, the listing above the WFE is sufficient.

Makes sense. Thank you very much!

[United German Regions]

Officers only show up in the WFE if you have at least one "nonstandard" officer (that is, besides the founder and delegate). Otherwise, the listing above the WFE is sufficient.

No, I think (based on previous situations) that if you add one nonstandard officer then remove it that the Founder and WA Delegate will remain as you have addressed the topic of regional officers, I noticed this in some regions I have raided/owned. It doesn't always seem to happen though. Tested it in United German Regions

[United German Regions]

Officers only show up in the WFE if you have at least one "nonstandard" officer (that is, besides the founder and delegate). Otherwise, the listing above the WFE is sufficient.

No, I think (based on previous situations) that if you add one nonstandard officer then remove it that the Founder and WA Delegate will remain as you have addressed the topic of regional officers, I noticed this in some regions I have raided/owned. It doesn't always seem to happen though. Tested it in United German Regions

Waited a few hours on this and around update it removed the positions from the WFE so your best luck is to appoint yourself (the founder) as an officer to pin it to the WFE.

[Tatarica]

Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding ROs. I apologize for not reading all of the previous pages, so please do not bash unto my head if the answer is out there already.

Can you please tell me if this course of action is correct?

- Assume the region has no active founder
- A native WAD is elected
- The native WAD appoints ROs with executive powers.
- If outside forces were to join in the region for takeover, the native WAD/ROs can use their executive powers to eject.
- Assume outside forces capture the delegate seat, appointing a new WAD
- By the powers of the new WAD, all previous ROs are instantly demoted.
Question: does this course of action not cost any influence? Question 2: Is this the way things should be - instant ROs dismissing?
- New WAD appoints new ROs with executive power
- Now all executive power in the region falls in the hands of the outside force, more equipped to handle on-game-update changes and more fast on the triggers.

From this perspective, isn't having ROs useful for the invading part, considering that most of the outside forces know how to play around the update thus tying the hands of the natives?
Has having ROs in a region not change at all since its implementation, a while ago? Is no-instant-RO-dismissing part of any future change?

Hopefully this made some sense to some, and can assist with some answers.

Thank you very much!

[Eluvatar]

- By the powers of the new WAD, all previous ROs are instantly demoted.
Question: does this course of action not cost any influence?

It does not.

Question 2: Is this the way things should be - instant ROs dismissing?

I'm not sure. There's been considerable discussion in this topic.

- New WAD appoints new ROs with executive power

Note: at this point, they are limited in their ability to appoint ROs with the Border Controls power: they must have been in office for 26 hours to appoint one, 52 hours to appoint a second, et cetera.

- Now all executive power in the region falls in the hands of the outside force, more equipped to handle on-game-update changes and more fast on the triggers.

Gradually, yes.

From this perspective, isn't having ROs useful for the invading part, considering that most of the outside forces know how to play around the update thus tying the hands of the natives?

That was the gist of defender complaints about this change, yes.

Has having ROs in a region not change at all since its implementation, a while ago? Is no-instant-RO-dismissing part of any future change?

There have been changes since original implementation. First, appointing ROs with border controls (ejection, banning, passwording) has been delayed, insofar as a Delegate must serve about X days to make X appointments with this power. Furthermore, following discussions, an ejection rate limit was introduced: no region may eject any nation less than one second after a previous ejection. This reduces the ability of ROs to help hold onto a region by force. It does not, however, reduce their utility in emptying a region.

Hopefully this made some sense to some, and can assist with some answers.

It did. I hope my answers are helpful.

Thank you very much!

You're most welcome.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

From this perspective, isn't having ROs useful for the invading part, considering that most of the outside forces know how to play around the update thus tying the hands of the natives?

That was the gist of defender complaints about this change, yes.

Not just defenders: from the PoV of a non-r/d native, this was big-time suckage.

[Tatarica]

* snip *
Hopefully this made some sense to some, and can assist with some answers.

It did. I hope my answers are helpful.

Your answers have been extremely helpful.

Thank you again!

[Floor 448]

Actually, I'd like to see Appearance officers being able to toggle events recorded in the Regional History page. It'd be extremely helpful for regions like The Embassy and DEN who have their history cluttered up with embassy events. Obviously, some events couldn't be turned off, such as founding the region.

[Trotterdam]

It'd be extremely helpful for regions like DEN who have their history cluttered up with embassy events.

If raiding regions to force them to open embassies with you is so unpleasant, maybe you could stop doing it?

[Flanderlion]

Actually, I'd like to see Appearance officers being able to toggle events recorded in the Regional History page. It'd be extremely helpful for regions like The Embassy and DEN who have their history cluttered up with embassy events. Obviously, some events couldn't be turned off, such as founding the region.

Regional History pages shouldn't be editable by players. If you as an end user could filter the page, possibly, but filtering it for everyone, I'm against.

[United German Regions]

It'd be extremely helpful for regions like DEN who have their history cluttered up with embassy events.

If raiding regions to force them to open embassies with you is so unpleasant, maybe you could stop doing it?

He just used two regions with lots of those, The Embassy doesn't raid, so what? You want us to stop building? I think maybe have a personal filter but as the founder of The Embassy, I see no reason to block others from reviewing the history, even though its alot on sight.

[Trotterdam]

Opening embassies is the entire point of The Embassy's existence. It'd be kinda silly to hide those.

[Guy]

Rules around and the technical implementation of Regional Officers are not mentioned anywhere, I believe -- not in the FAQ (despite being an important part of the regional game, alongside Founders and Delegates) and not in the OSRS, as far as I can tell.