Feature Request: New Influence Level

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Here's a bunch for your consideration:

1. Nipper/Hatchling
2. Minnow
3. Page
4. Apprentice/Squire
5. Vassal

Thanks for the suggestion! No suggestions by others?

Ballotonia

My original posts suggests Guppy, I have also since suggested Satellite.

[The Blaatschapen]

Here's a bunch for your consideration:

1. Nipper/Hatchling
2. Minnow
3. Page
4. Apprentice/Squire
5. Vassal

Thanks for the suggestion! No suggestions by others?

Ballotonia

Gnat, Amoeba, grain of sand, speck of dust, plankton.

[Flanderlion]

Message Carrier, Messenger etc. (although that could be used for envoy), Dreamer, Boot-Shiner, Note-Passer and Unproven for 0 influence nations could be options. What sort of theme are we trying to keep up?

[Pierconium]

Then 99.99%, whatever. My point remains regardless of pedantic arguments over the percentages. The percentage distribution of Influence in TNP (for example) will not be substantially changed by adding another level to the nomenclature. TNP decided that they wanted to have every nation possible join the WA and then have every nation swap as much as possible (of course still within the offsite governments mandated limits) so this is the end result, lots of nations with relatively high SPDR numbers but still generally at the same level as the bulk of the rest of the WA nations.

Again, why worry about adding another level to the nomenclature when it does not actually address the problem so much as delay it?

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Then 99.99%, whatever. My point remains regardless of pedantic arguments over the percentages. The percentage distribution of Influence in TNP (for example) will not be substantially changed by adding another level to the nomenclature. TNP decided that they wanted to have every nation possible join the WA and then have every nation swap as much as possible (of course still within the offsite governments mandated limits) so this is the end result, lots of nations with relatively high SPDR numbers but still generally at the same level as the bulk of the rest of the WA nations.

Again, why worry about adding another level to the nomenclature when it does not actually address the problem so much as delay it?

In the original post I point out how vast the difference is between the influence level of our more influential Minnows and our least influential Minnows.

If we add even one more level, I imagine it would be quite some time, if ever, before TNP stopped having any nations with it.

[Pierconium]

Again, why worry about adding another level to the nomenclature when it does not actually address the problem so much as delay it?

In the original post I point out how vast the difference is between the influence level of our more influential Minnows and our least influential Minnows.

If we add even one more level, I imagine it would be quite some time, if ever, before TNP stopped having any nations with it.

Right, but what is the actual purpose of an additional level if the effective Influence strength remains equivalent? There are a lot of nations in TNP with SPDR of 200-400 and a lot of nations with SPDR of 50-60 but the differentiation between the two in a practical sense within TNP is minuscule because of the Influence structure that region has decided to maintain. If TNP's total SPDR is higher because of the increased swapping then the effective percentage of each nation, while having a higher empirical number, remains essentially the same as a GCR with lower overall SPDR which maintains more or less the same level of distribution.

That said, I just don't see the point. Perhaps if there is another example outside of TNP where this could be shown to be of some practical benefit? Just wondering.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Right, but what is the actual purpose of an additional level if the effective Influence strength remains equivalent? There are a lot of nations in TNP with SPDR of 200-400 and a lot of nations with SPDR of 50-60 but the differentiation between the two in a practical sense within TNP is minuscule because of the Influence structure that region has decided to maintain. If TNP's total SPDR is higher because of the increased swapping then the effective percentage of each nation, while having a higher empirical number, remains essentially the same as a GCR with lower overall SPDR which maintains more or less the same level of distribution.

That said, I just don't see the point. Perhaps if there is another example outside of TNP where this could be shown to be of some practical benefit? Just wondering.

Any region with a great number of nations will have the vast majority of their nations as Minnows. In many cases, this is even true for some very influential nations. Adding more ranks would make the rank have more meaning for nations on the lower end.

Nations with 200-400 SPDR have far more influence than nations with 50-60 SPDR within a region.

[Pierconium]

Right, but what is the actual purpose of an additional level if the effective Influence strength remains equivalent? There are a lot of nations in TNP with SPDR of 200-400 and a lot of nations with SPDR of 50-60 but the differentiation between the two in a practical sense within TNP is minuscule because of the Influence structure that region has decided to maintain. If TNP's total SPDR is higher because of the increased swapping then the effective percentage of each nation, while having a higher empirical number, remains essentially the same as a GCR with lower overall SPDR which maintains more or less the same level of distribution.

That said, I just don't see the point. Perhaps if there is another example outside of TNP where this could be shown to be of some practical benefit? Just wondering.

Any region with a great number of nations will have the vast majority of their nations as Minnows. In many cases, this is even true for some very influential nations. Adding more ranks would make the rank have more meaning for nations on the lower end.

Nations with 200-400 SPDR have far more influence than nations with 50-60 SPDR within a region.

That is a matter of perspective, I guess. 0.001% is far more than 0.0001%, true.

[Ballotonia]

New influence levels have been created, and influence levels are being reevaluated by the system. After the update they'll be published.

Before anyone gets exited: the change influences nations ranked Below Vassal only, but due to a rework of the math behind it, all nations' Influence descriptors will be reevaluated.

Ballotonia

[The Blaatschapen]

New influence levels have been created, and influence levels are being reevaluated by the system. After the update they'll be published.

Before anyone gets exited: the change influences nations ranked Below Vassal only, but due to a rework of the math behind it, all nations' Influence descriptors will be reevaluated.

Ballotonia

Oooh, what are the names? Or do I have to scout the feeders?

[Luna Amore]

New influence levels have been created, and influence levels are being reevaluated by the system. After the update they'll be published.

Before anyone gets exited: the change influences nations ranked Below Vassal only, but due to a rework of the math behind it, all nations' Influence descriptors will be reevaluated.

Ballotonia

Oooh, what are the names? Or do I have to scout the feeders?

The new lowest level is sheep. The new high is cat.

[Ravania Ultra]

Update came and went and all influence is still reevaluating. Or do we need a major update?

[Wrapper]

The new lowest level is sheep. The new high is cat.

Luna, you are baaaaaad.

So, yeah, major update then?

[Ballotonia]

Patience, patience, let the server gnomes do their thing.

I see that by now the Influence levels of Minnows have redistributed over a number of new categories.

Ballotonia

[Luna Amore]

I see some new ones in the Pacifics.

[The Blaatschapen]

I see some new ones in the Pacifics.

Yup.

See spoiler for what I found.

'Zero'.

'Newcomer'.

Among others, probably.

How many in total?

[Wrapper]

I spy a Sprat, a Shoeshiner, and a Squire. Hmmm someone loves the letter "S".

[Frieden-und Freudenland]

Oooh, what are the names? Or do I have to scout the feeders?

The new lowest level is sheep. The new high is cat.

Could you give a full list of all these influence levels?

[Kaboomlandia]

I'm an "Apprentice".

[Sino nations]

What About "Peasant" That Comes After Minnow

[SillyString]

These new ranks will be great! We get so many questions from new nations about when their influence rank will go up, and we've had to keep saying "never". Now we can actually give good news!

[Lord Ravenclaw]

I've also discovered the level "Nipper", which is used to describe Mr Richard Bucket in The West Pacific.
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Ravensfeather in Equilism is a Page.
https://i.gyazo.com/a2653be1da4cdff0645 ... b93244.png

Ravenscrown in The North Pacific is Unproven.
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[Zemnaya Svoboda]

The new listing of ranks (obtained from examining The North Pacific):

1. Zero
2. Unproven
3. Hatchling
4. Newcomer
5. Nipper
6. Minnow
7. Sprat
8. Shoeshiner
9. Page
10. Squire
11. Apprentice
12. Vassal
13. Truckler
14. Handshaker
15. Duckspeaker
16. Envoy
17. Diplomat
18. Ambassador
19. Auxiliary
20. Negotiator
21. Contender
22. Instigator
23. Dealmaker
24. Enforcer
25. Eminence Grise
26. Powerbroker
27. Power
28. Superpower
29. Dominator
30. Hegemony
31. Hermit

[Nelson R Mandela]

The new listing of ranks (obtained from examining The North Pacific):

1. Zero
2. Unproven
3. Hatchling
4. Newcomer
5. Nipper
6. Minnow
7. Sprat
8. Shoeshiner
9. Page
10. Squire
11. Apprentice
12. Vassal
13. Truckler
14. Handshaker
15. Duckspeaker
16. Envoy
17. Diplomat
18. Ambassador
19. Auxiliary
20. Negotiator
21. Contender
22. Instigator
23. Dealmaker
24. Enforcer
25. Eminence Grise
26. Powerbroker
27. Superpower
28. Power
29. Dominator
30. Hegemony
31. Hermit

Is this a finalized list?

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Is this a finalized list?

Game staff typically refuse to answer such questions. I would be surprised if they changed it further anytime soon, however.