Regional Issues

[Stujenske]

13 minutes ago: The Former Lazarus Delegate of Funkadelia arrived from The Rejected Realms.

19 minutes ago: The Old Lazarus King of Killer Kitty arrived from Lazarus Army.

Both nations were banned until now. Cost me 1/8 influence to reban them. What's up?

[Avakael]

21 minutes ago: Killer Kitty relocated from Lazarus Army to Lazarus.
2 days 11 hours ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Dealmaker" to "Enforcer".
3 days 11 hours ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Instigator" to "Dealmaker".
4 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Contender" to "Instigator".
5 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Negotiator" to "Contender".
6 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Auxiliary" to "Negotiator".
6 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Ambassador" to "Auxiliary".
7 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Diplomat" to "Ambassador".
7 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Duckspeaker" to "Diplomat".
8 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Handshaker" to "Duckspeaker".
8 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Truckler" to "Handshaker".
9 days ago: Killer Kitty's influence in Lazarus Army rose from "Vassal" to "Truckler".
10 days ago: Killer Kitty applied to join the World Assembly.
10 days ago: Killer Kitty resigned from the World Assembly.
10 days ago: Killer Kitty relocated from The Rejected Realms to Lazarus Army.
10 days ago: Killer Kitty removed regional password protection from Lazarus Army.
10 days ago: Killer Kitty updated the World Factbook entry in Lazarus Army.
11 days ago: Killer Kitty lodged a message on the Lazarus Regional Message Board.

All evidence that Killer Kitty was ever banned has apparently vanished between the nation's last action in Lazarus and their rejoining, and there's no evidence of any other move having been made in it's stead. Something is very wrong here.

[Great Brigantia]

1. lol

2. The ban list auto-clears the nations at the beginning of the list when you hit the limit now. Were Stujenske paying better attention to when it was about to fill up, this wouldn't have happened.

[Avakael]

1. lol

2. The ban list auto-clears the nations at the beginning of the list when you hit the limit now. Were Stujenske paying better attention to when it was about to fill up, this wouldn't have happened.

Then why has the evidence that Killer Kitty was ever ejected and banned at all been removed from that nation's national happenings? Even if nations are automatically removed from the banlist, that much shouldn't happen.

[Great Brigantia]

Then why has the evidence that Killer Kitty was ever ejected and banned at all been removed from that nation's national happenings? Even if nations are automatically removed from the banlist, that much shouldn't happen.

Good question. Maybe it's removed because removal from the ban list is automatic, unlike when the Delegate removes you and you get something in your National Happenings that says you were removed from the ban list.

[Reploid Productions]

1. lol

2. The ban list auto-clears the nations at the beginning of the list when you hit the limit now. Were Stujenske paying better attention to when it was about to fill up, this wouldn't have happened.

Then why has the evidence that Killer Kitty was ever ejected and banned at all been removed from that nation's national happenings? Even if nations are automatically removed from the banlist, that much shouldn't happen.

Looks from here like it simply got scrolled off their national happenings. Pretty sure national happenings activity logs don't go back indefinitely far, and Killer Kitty was quite busy in the past hour. How many days ago was the original kickban?

And yeah, ban lists are capped (200 or 250, if memory serves,) and once full, a new ban bumps the oldest one off the list.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

1. lol

2. The ban list auto-clears the nations at the beginning of the list when you hit the limit now. Were Stujenske paying better attention to when it was about to fill up, this wouldn't have happened.

Then why has the evidence that Killer Kitty was ever ejected and banned at all been removed from that nation's national happenings? Even if nations are automatically removed from the banlist, that much shouldn't happen.

Are you looking in NationStates++?

The NationStates++ archive of happenings appears to be imperfect. I've noticed a few bugs during recent events, including one I'd hypothesized existed before but hadn't actually run into. I intend to fix them at some point when I have more time.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Then why has the evidence that Killer Kitty was ever ejected and banned at all been removed from that nation's national happenings? Even if nations are automatically removed from the banlist, that much shouldn't happen.

Are you looking in NationStates++?

The NationStates++ archive of happenings appears to be imperfect. I've noticed a few bugs during recent events, including one I'd hypothesized existed before but hadn't actually run into. I intend to fix them at some point when I have more time.

I actually was. Seems like a moot matter now though. :|

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Are you looking in NationStates++?

The NationStates++ archive of happenings appears to be imperfect. I've noticed a few bugs during recent events, including one I'd hypothesized existed before but hadn't actually run into. I intend to fix them at some point when I have more time.

I actually was. Seems like a moot matter now though. :|

I will try to fix the bug(s) soon. I know one bug for certain, and know how to fix it.

[United Steelworkers]

And yeah, ban lists are capped (200 or 250, if memory serves,) and once full, a new ban bumps the oldest one off the list.

200, yes. Can you provide any insight into when this behavior began? Previously, running into the banlist cap would prevent a delegate from placing any more bans, so it was quite unexpected to see the silent removals that took place here. It worked to our advantage, of course, so I'm not complaining - just surprised.

[Reploid Productions]

And yeah, ban lists are capped (200 or 250, if memory serves,) and once full, a new ban bumps the oldest one off the list.

200, yes. Can you provide any insight into when this behavior began? Previously, running into the banlist cap would prevent a delegate from placing any more bans, so it was quite unexpected to see the silent removals that took place here. It worked to our advantage, of course, so I'm not complaining - just surprised.

As far as I can recall, it's always been that new bans supplant old one ever since Francos first hit the cap a decade ago. I could be wrong, it's not like I do a whole lot of banning in my bitty little region though.

[Riemstagrad]

Imagine the puppet flooding if a full banlist removed the ban-hamers from delegates and founders...

[SillyString]

Imagine the puppet flooding if a full banlist removed the ban-hamers from delegates and founders...

Well, yes... that's why one of the big tactics to fight GCR coups (and to a lesser extent big raids) has been throwing a heap of puppets at the region to flll up the banlist. I'm pretty sure that silent banlist clears are relatively new behavior.. particularly since basically everyone was surprised (and either pleased or irritated) by discovering it during this coup.

[Ballotonia]

I'm pretty sure that silent banlist clears are relatively new behavior.. particularly since basically everyone was surprised (and either pleased or irritated) by discovering it during this coup.

As Reppy pointed out, and I am confirming now, that behavior has been in place for many many years. I thought I'd look up when exactly the 200 nation limit of the regional banlist was added to the game, but that happening predates the start of our code repository in 2004. The purge was automatic even then.

Ballotonia

[SillyString]

As Reppy pointed out, and I am confirming now, that behavior has been in place for many many years. I thought I'd look up when exactly the 200 nation limit of the regional banlist was added to the game, but that happening predates the start of our code repository in 2004. The purge was automatic even then.

Thanks for confirming, Ballo. That's seriously astonishing - prior to the Lazarus coup, I'm not sure any of us knew that this happened at all.

[Reploid Productions]

As Reppy pointed out, and I am confirming now, that behavior has been in place for many many years. I thought I'd look up when exactly the 200 nation limit of the regional banlist was added to the game, but that happening predates the start of our code repository in 2004. The purge was automatic even then.

Thanks for confirming, Ballo. That's seriously astonishing - prior to the Lazarus coup, I'm not sure any of us knew that this happened at all.

Guess it goes to show how infrequently somebody hurls enough bans to cycle the list that quickly.

[Ivo Mullur]

Thanks for confirming, Ballo. That's seriously astonishing - prior to the Lazarus coup, I'm not sure any of us knew that this happened at all.

Guess it goes to show how infrequently somebody hurls enough bans to cycle the list that quickly.

Probably a good thing it's so infrequent anyhow.