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Can't Ban Certain Nations

Postby Kringalia » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:51 pm

I used to be able to ban nations that had just moved out of the region a few minutes ago, recruiters for instance. Now I can't find the ban button in that nation's overview page. Has something changed or is this a bug?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:16 pm

Same issue for me and I just thought it was because I am a new Delegate.

Edit: Just checked with one of my predecessors - I should be able to ban a nation outside of my region as long as it is visible on Regional Happenings.
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Postby Wordy » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:49 pm

I would say bug...I just tested with a founder and I cannot ban a nation that moved through the region or ban nations that place an embassy request. Only nations in region look like they can be banned / ejected.
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Postby Moon Eclipse » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:59 pm

If this is a change, I am in full support.

Allowing a delegate to ban people that aren't even in the region is overkill IMO.

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Postby All Good People » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:31 pm

In recent times, the period of time the ban/eject button was available on nations that had passed through and posted had been variable. It seemed that the timing had become random. One nation would have posted on the RMB within minutes and still on the RH, but I couldn't ban/eject them. Another time (same day even), a nation could be long off the RH and yet still have the buttons on them 45 minutes later.

Allowing a delegate to ban people that aren't even in the region is overkill IMO.


Not when it allows them to hit and run post on your RMB all they want.
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Postby Moon Eclipse » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:42 pm

Then suppress the posts...

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Postby Mekhet » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:36 pm

I believe this is a bug relating to the embassy system and doubt it's intentional.

Moon Eclipse wrote:If this is a change, I am in full support.

Allowing a delegate to ban people that aren't even in the region is overkill IMO.


Disagreed. It's well within the rights of Founders/Delegates to pre-emptively ban other nations and with the new embassy system changes more important to be able to do so.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:50 am

All Good People wrote:In recent times, the period of time the ban/eject button was available on nations that had passed through and posted had been variable. It seemed that the timing had become random. One nation would have posted on the RMB within minutes and still on the RH, but I couldn't ban/eject them. Another time (same day even), a nation could be long off the RH and yet still have the buttons on them 45 minutes later.

Allowing a delegate to ban people that aren't even in the region is overkill IMO.


Not when it allows them to hit and run post on your RMB all they want.

IMO, recruitment is the price that the delegates of feeders and sinkers have to pay for all that they get in the game: hundreds of endorsements, guaranteed attention, a large region, first shot at the recruitment of the new nations (via 'stay here' telegrams...)
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:28 am

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:IMO, recruitment is the price that the delegates of feeders and sinkers have to pay for all that they get in the game: hundreds of endorsements, guaranteed attention, a large region, first shot at the recruitment of the new nations (via 'stay here' telegrams...)

First of all, we already "pay the price" in that every UCR that recruits sends recruitment telegrams to newly founded and often, though not always, re-founded nations. It's now even possible to hit every single nation in our regions with one telegram. We really don't need recruitment adspam that isn't even effective spamming up our community RMBs.

Second, this really has nothing to do with the topic at hand as it's only one reason to ban someone who is still in your region's regional happenings. If Feeder and Sinker Delegates aren't quick, they usually can't even catch an adspammer in their regional happenings, so I wouldn't say this is even the primary reason.

I do hope this is a glitch, because if this was intended it's a very bad idea at the exact same time as regions are enabling RMB cross-posting from embassy regions. Founders and Delegates need to be able to ban people who move in and then out of their regions just for the purpose of abusing posting access to the RMBs of regions with which they have embassies.
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Postby Moon Eclipse » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:20 am

Cormac A Stark wrote:Founders and Delegates need to be able to ban people who move in and then out of their regions just for the purpose of abusing posting access to the RMBs of regions with which they have embassies.


Is this a concern? Yes. But the bigger concern should be how Delegates are overpowered in this game. A lot of flying fortress delegacies would actually have to work a bit harder if someone had to be in the region to be banned. Otherwise it is the same game of scan and kick.

Spamming the RMB and whatnot happens regardless of the banlist, they would just make another puppet anyway.

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Disagreed. It's well within the rights of Founders/Delegates to pre-emptively ban other nations and with the new embassy system changes more important to be able to do so.


First, what is this talk about rights? That sounds like (de)fenda speak. Reform that vocab.

Second, no one is even talking about preemptive banning. Banning someone on your happenings isn't really preemptive to me, preemptive would be banning someone that hasn't even made contact with your region.

I just think personally that the whole security game would be made a lot more interesting if people had to actually be in the region to be kicked. Right now, there are too many regions were a credible security threat is inconceivable. This could change that, if only by a tiny bit.

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Postby Unibot III » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:33 pm

This is a huge change from our previous system if it has been done unannounced...
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Postby Venico » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:53 pm

Full support if intentional.
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Postby Mekhet » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:35 pm

Venico wrote:Full support if intentional.

No.

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Postby Kringalia » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:45 pm

I certainly hope it wasn't intentional. I'd hate it if I was no longer able to ban recruiters.
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Postby [violet] » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:19 pm

Sorry about that!

[violet] wrote:Fixed, I think; there was a new bug that incorrectly prevented nations from being bannable if they were outside your region but in your Regional Happenings but had not embassy-posted.

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Postby Kringalia » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:49 pm

Thanks [violet]! :)
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Postby Klorgia1 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:03 pm

[violet] wrote:Sorry about that!

[violet] wrote:Fixed, I think; there was a new bug that incorrectly prevented nations from being bannable if they were outside your region but in your Regional Happenings but had not embassy-posted.


Is it possible to ban a nation which is not in your regional happenings? We have had some issues with a player spamming recruitment and saying less then lovely things about our region, and I would like to end this nonsense. But they're not on the ban list thus far (options I can get) or is it on their nation page.
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