Regional 'opt-out' for R/D? [Gameplay/Proposal]

[Inyourfaceistan]

Quick question, does the WA hold any power in the game? If not, why do people try to do this over and over again?

Nope. Why they do it, I don't know and I don't care but it's an awesome exercise in futility and a great example of what a useless sack of wind the WA is...

Also, Inyourfaceistan, I could care less what you think you are. I see you as a sympathizer to a flawed cause and thus one of them.

So what you're saying is that regardless of the fact that I take place in Role Play, and am currently involved in three separate threads plus the NSG Senate and have never once played R/D here, the fact that I think this whole thing is a big non-issue means that I'm inherently a raider?

[Constaniana]

Delegate controls an no password= potential messageboard spam by raiders who want to lulz raid and pollute our Message board, to which I will have to, ALONE, suppress every single individual message.

This makes my work harder, and less enjoyable.

Or just wait for them to get the silliness out of their system and move on?

I should just let that kid Tim down the street piss on my rose bush anytime he wants. I'm sure he'll get tired of it eventually. Sure, he might keep coming back and bring his friends to do it was well, but it's all fun and games, right? Why should I get mad about it?

[Kassaran]

The SC condemnations give them a shiny badge to use as badges of pride as they continue to raid. There's no point to those condemnations.

Exactly why I feel when they speak about such condemnations, something should change, perhaps they should hold more weight, like making the operational capacity of said condemned region or nation massively reduced. *makes pointed stare at the Raiders in-thread that have shiny badges of condemnation/pride*

So what you're saying is that regardless of the fact that I take place in Role Play, and am currently involved in three separate threads plus the NSG Senate and have never once played R/D here, the fact that I think this whole thing is a big non-issue means that I'm inherently a raider?

No, you're a sympathizer, and if you aren't with me, you are against me. I care not for your opinions considering you fail to comprehend the significance of regions that need to remain open to recruiting to train up new RPers. You guys are practically spawn-camping and killing new nations...

[Crystal Spires]

Mystria does not consider trolling acceptable, and we will not indulge trolls or trollish behavior. We conduct ourselves to a higher standard of OOC conduct in national worldbuilding. The raiders are incapable of doing so and incapable of respect, and I reserve the right to refuse to indulge them. This is is why it is unacceptable, in case you are wondering. This is not something we want to have to continuously permit, and as the roleplaying community do not generally make it a habit to grief and troll, and should one try, they are further ignored and no one needs to indulge the unruly player. Raiders do not Cease and Desist, as such they are legalized versions of trolling that are not acceptable participants in our region. They are unwelcome, and we have no means to exclude them from our play without excluding people we'd rather be open to.

[Whamabama]

But why can't you still recruit people with delegate controls off?

It's far more difficult, and puts all the pressure on one person, the founder.

Edit: Plus, you shouldn't have to, just so some raiders wont have the lust to vandalize your region.

actually anybody in the region can recruit. delegate controls are irrelevant to recruiting. If your region is failing because you won't recruit, then you are hurting your region, not raiders. Besides most raiders don't raid foundered regions. the founder will simply kick them out. If they do anything, most likely it will only be changing the WFE. If that happened, change it back.

[Grenartia]

Delegate controls an no password= potential messageboard spam by raiders who want to lulz raid and pollute our Message board, to which I will have to, ALONE, suppress every single individual message.

This makes my work harder, and less enjoyable.

Or just wait for them to get the silliness out of their system and move on?

They never will.

[Tim-Opolis]

Or just wait for them to get the silliness out of their system and move on?

I should just let that kid Tim down the street piss on my rose bush anytime he wants. I'm sure he'll get tired of it eventually. Sure, he might keep coming back and bring his friends to do it was well, but it's all fun and games, right? Why should I get mad about it?

Hey now
I only piss on Imperialist Rose Bushes, thank you very much.

[Crystal Spires]

actually anybody in the region can recruit. delegate controls are irrelevant to recruiting. If your region is failing because you won't recruit, then you are hurting your region, not raiders. Besides most raiders don't raid foundered regions. the founder will simply kick them out. If they do anything, most likely it will only be changing the WFE. If that happened, change it back.

Not your kind of recruiting.

We recruit by opening our doors and training and welcoming roleplayers who actually want to roleplay. The WFE and the RMB are used as tools to do so. We do not want the WFE to be changed, and nor do we want grafitti on our RMB.

[The Fanboyists]

This changes what exactly? The "we" they said is implied to mean "roleplayers" due to its context. And how do you know they don't have a presence in other RP regions?

I'd like to point out that Ainin resides currently in Esquarium, a region which, since it's founder has elected to enable Delegate Controls, has a Delegate that has 22 endorsements. This would make them very much immune from most raids, since I know of no raider group that would sink 24 players into raiding a founder region at update.

I'm just merely pointing out that many RPers in this thread that complain about Raiding and how destructive it is to the RP Community do so from behind some very well protected regions that either can't be raided, because of game mechanics, or have made themselves such an unappetizing target, no raider in their right mind would even bother.

Yes, because we're prime among those who don't want to put up with R/D, and think that other RP'ers shouldn't have to, either.

[Tim-Opolis]

Delegate controls an no password= potential messageboard spam by raiders who want to lulz raid and pollute our Message board, to which I will have to, ALONE, suppress every single individual message.

This makes my work harder, and less enjoyable.

Or just wait for them to get the silliness out of their system and move on?

It's been 10+ years and they're still kicking. Methinks that the silliness in their system is here to stay.

[Azurand]

If some people think that vandalising and trolling other regions give them fun and enjoyment, then so be it. I think it's unrealistic to expect Max would abolish raiding. But for fuck's sake please don't disturb those who don't want to participate in Raiding/Defending. We aren't players of your game. We are players of another game. They who don't want to participate in raiding/defending shouldn't be forced to do so. Alternatively, establish more restrictions so we could prevent raiders without bothering so much about R/D or current anti-raiding tools that prevent us to committed entirely on roleplaying.

'that makes raiding harder'. So? It's fair-fair, I suppose. Besides what the fun is attacking an unprepared region? At best it's childish and boring.

[Milograd]

If some people think that vandalising and trolling other regions give them fun and enjoyment, then so be it. I think it's unrealistic to expect Max would abolish raiding. But for fuck's sake please don't disturb those who don't want to participate in Raiding/Defending. We aren't players of your game. We are players of another game. They who don't want to participate in raiding/defending shouldn't be forced to do so. Alternatively, establish more restrictions so we could prevent raiders without bothering so much about R/D or current anti-raiding tools that prevent us to committed entirely on roleplaying.

'that makes raiding harder'. So? It's fair-fair, I suppose. Besides what the fun is attacking an unprepared region? At best it's childish and boring.

R/D mostly involves raiding regions that don't R/D and then defenders trying to prevent that.

They consider there to be only one game.

[The Fanboyists]

Oh, hey! I'm seeing more Raiders coming in here and bringing forth the same, retreaded arguments that we've been addressing for the last fifty-plus pages. Since obviously you didn't read through the OP sufficiently, how about you go back and do that and come debate with us when you have some new, valid points.

[Crystal Spires]

Thus is the reason Designated warzones failed, which was yet another catering and pandering method to Gameplayers. They didn't want to actually have to put effort into raiding one another or defenders. You know, people interested in their game.

[Inyourfaceistan]

So what you're saying is that regardless of the fact that I take place in Role Play, and am currently involved in three separate threads plus the NSG Senate and have never once played R/D here, the fact that I think this whole thing is a big non-issue means that I'm inherently a raider?

No, you're a sympathizer, and if you aren't with me, you are against me.

Well thank you for that 1-dimensional absolutist logic, Darth Vader. Shall we begin an epic light saber duel over the fires of Mustafar now?

I care not for your opinions considering you fail to comprehend the significance of regions that need to remain open to recruiting to train up new RPers.

Then remain open? Or if shit is so complicated with your founder and all that sob-story, just freaking copy and paste all your links and make a new region...

You guys are practically spawn-camping and killing new nations...

1) I'm not one of them.

2) So now your reducing all beginner RP'ers as a bunch of newbie nincompoops who can't do anything right on their own and need your perfect RP region or else they will just because useless and uncivilized trolls like raiders and us false-RP'ers?

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

We are waiting until a decision is made, and we do not have a choice if the choice is between ruining our existing region and accepting new members which is sad, because we want to be a more open region, but the risk of destruction of our RMB is discouraging.

And the lack of help I can have from the delegate whom I trust might disappear if I had not been excessively paranoid and limiting the game for all of us.

Are you kidding me? Take down your password. You have a non-exec delegate. You're already safe and can recruit.

You don't need the password, it's redundant at this point. Secondly, having a non-exec WAD doesn't stop the region from recruiting proper.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I see the point about recruitment because I know that some will turn a blind eye to it because of the annoyance it causes to them. Gameplay adverts is less intrusive but not as visible as targeted telegrams. Overall I feel that too many passworded regions as a result of certain raiding methods is a sign that something is of great concern about the actions of some raider/defender groups. Indeed, we can't say all Raiders are X and all Defenders are Y: in general there has to be checks and balances but personally I cannot agree that enticing RP regions to password regions would help the open nature of the community.

[Crystal Spires]

Are you kidding me? Take down your password. You have a non-exec delegate. You're already safe and can recruit.

You don't need the password, it's redundant at this point. Secondly, having a non-exec WAD doesn't stop the region from recruiting proper.

I am stopped from keeping grafitti off the Mystria board or the WFE if I do that, and again, this is about not allowing me to control what is on the RMB and WFE and be open about who is allowed in my region.

[Inyourfaceistan]

We are waiting until a decision is made, and we do not have a choice if the choice is between ruining our existing region and accepting new members which is sad, because we want to be a more open region, but the risk of destruction of our RMB is discouraging.

And the lack of help I can have from the delegate whom I trust might disappear if I had not been excessively paranoid and limiting the game for all of us.

Are you kidding me? Take down your password. You have a non-exec delegate. You're already safe and can recruit.

You don't need the password, it's redundant at this point. Secondly, having a non-exec WAD doesn't stop the region from recruiting proper.

Hey man, I see you have an interest in Roleplay. Want to join my region?

[Kassaran]

No, you're a sympathizer, and if you aren't with me, you are against me.

Well thank you for that 1-dimensional absolutist logic, Darth Vader. Shall we begin an epic light saber duel over the fires of Mustafar now?

I care not for your opinions considering you fail to comprehend the significance of regions that need to remain open to recruiting to train up new RPers.

Then remain open? Or if shit is so complicated with your founder and all that sob-story, just freaking copy and paste all your links and make a new region...

You guys are practically spawn-camping and killing new nations...

1) I'm not one of them.

2) So now your reducing all beginner RP'ers as a bunch of newbie nincompoops who can't do anything right on their own and need your perfect RP region or else they will just because useless and uncivilized trolls like raiders and us false-RP'ers?

1) I hate numbered lists, post these in Paragraph form.

You might not be a raider, but I never said anything about them being newbie nicompoops, but if they're just getting started, and want to join an RP region that usually is open to newbies, only to find that they can't, that means they don't usually get the same enriching indoctrination into the RPing community as others before the time of this "Raider" scare.

Also, creating a new RP region DOESN'T get rid of the fact that Raiders still are going to work to raid RP regions with active or non-active founders. They especially are feeling unjustifiably so now that we in the RP community are telling them we aren't having any of their crap anymore. We don't want it, now unless you wish to RP that lightsaber-fight with me in another thread, I'd avoid making further attempts at facing off against me, and rather facing off against the problems at hand. What they might be to you are apparently a different story then what they are to me.

[Delmonte]

Well thank you for that 1-dimensional absolutist logic, Darth Vader. Shall we begin an epic light saber duel over the fires of Mustafar now?



Then remain open? Or if shit is so complicated with your founder and all that sob-story, just freaking copy and paste all your links and make a new region...



1) I'm not one of them.

2) So now your reducing all beginner RP'ers as a bunch of newbie nincompoops who can't do anything right on their own and need your perfect RP region or else they will just because useless and uncivilized trolls like raiders and us false-RP'ers?

1) I hate numbered lists, post these in Paragraph form.

You might not be a raider, but I never said anything about them being newbie nicompoops, but if they're just getting started, and want to join an RP region that usually is open to newbies, only to find that they can't, that means they don't usually get the same enriching indoctrination into the RPing community as others before the time of this "Raider" scare.

Also, creating a new RP region DOESN'T get rid of the fact that Raiders still are going to work to raid RP regions with active or non-active founders. They especially are feeling unjustifiably so now that we in the RP community are telling them we aren't having any of their crap anymore. We don't want it, now unless you wish to RP that lightsaber-fight with me in another thread, I'd avoid making further attempts at facing off against me, and rather facing off against the problems at hand. What they might be to you are apparently a different story then what they are to me.

I was definitely the first person on this forum to accuse someone of being a "sympathizer"... and I regret it, even though it feels SO cool to accuse someone of being a sympathizer... It just... rolls off the tongue, right?

"Sympathizer!"... "You sympathizer!"... "Torches and pitchforks! Get the sympathizers!" Oh God... I... I have goosebumps...

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

Are you kidding me? Take down your password. You have a non-exec delegate. You're already safe and can recruit.

You don't need the password, it's redundant at this point. Secondly, having a non-exec WAD doesn't stop the region from recruiting proper.

I am stopped from keeping grafitti off the Mystria board or the WFE if I do that, and again, this is about not allowing me to control what is on the RMB and WFE and be open about who is allowed in my region.

Err, no. The only person at this time that can "grafitti" the WFE is the founder...

Either you're ignorant of gameplay mechanics or speaking wrongly in order to seem like what's happening is worse than it is like not being able to recruit. Which you can recruit if the password is taken down and you keep the delegate non-exec. You'll still be safe from raids and tagging....

Addendum: If you don't want unilateral "control" then get a consensus on what needs to change on the WFE.

[Crystal Spires]

Err, no. The only person at this time that can "grafitti" the WFE is the founder...

I said already I have to choose between a higher workload of RMB cleaning ON MY OWN by removing powers from my legitimate WA delegate, to prevent someone from attaining delegacy and destroying my WFE. This is not an issue of not knowing gameplay. It's facts. Now, on recruiting: I have a choice on keeping the region open, and allowing raiders to come in and pollute my message board, or lock the region and keep the RMB clear.

I have a life you know, however crappy it may be.

[Crystal Spires]

Addendum: If you don't want unilateral "control" then get a consensus on what needs to change on the WFE.

Which we do already, we have more than one person doing the work as is. All you've done is made my work harder, not from lack of trust in my WA delegate,but from the problem that I cannot have a cooperative person working WITH me only because you guys cannot resist raiding regions who do not want to play your game.

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

Addendum: If you don't want unilateral "control" then get a consensus on what needs to change on the WFE.

Which we do already, we have more than one person doing the work as is. All you've done is made my work harder, not from lack of trust in my WA delegate,but from the problem that I cannot have a cooperative person working WITH me only because you guys cannot resist raiding regions who do not want to play your game.

I'm not a raider. I'm a defender.