exclude puppet storage regions from regional size rankings

[Diol]

Hi,

Is it possible that the large puppet storage regions could be excluded from the regional size rankings? My region, the silver isles is behind several regions which are simply made up of puppets in the rankings.
I don't think its fair that regions which have spent ages atempting to increase the size of their communites are dragged behind one-man-with-too-much-time regions in the regional rankings.

[Vakarion]

I don't think it's that simple...

[Afforess]

I don't think it's that simple...

It really is.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I believe that when this idea was raised previously, it was noted that regions could remove the "Puppet Storage" tag to reenter the rankings.

[Afforess]

I believe that when this idea was raised previously, it was noted that regions could remove the "Puppet Storage" tag to reenter the rankings.

...and moderators could make that against the rules.

Problem solved.

[Cerian Quilor]

Yes, let's throw more rules at the problem.

[Tlik]

I believe that when this idea was raised previously, it was noted that regions could remove the "Puppet Storage" tag to reenter the rankings.

It was never really shown that there would be large numbers of people interested in doing that, though. Maybe a couple of people *might* do it, but I'd imagine most of the obvious puppet dumps would be quite happy to take their regions off the pop rankings at the very least.

[Aglrinia]

Hi,

Is it possible that the large puppet storage regions could be excluded from the regional size rankings? My region, the silver isles is behind several regions which are simply made up of puppets in the rankings.
I don't think its fair that regions which have spent ages attempting to increase the size of their communities are dragged behind one-man-with-too-much-time regions in the regional rankings.

Let's take a look see at the puppet storage regions in front of your region.

Mupomawawoy a Black Riders puppet storage bay: - which is composed of the puppets of every black rider raider.
Lazarus: A game created region... the mother sinker.
The Glorious Nations of Iwaku - I believe the only region to send out a tag:all recruitment telegram.
Epogennick: Another Black Rider puppet storage bay.

None of these are owned by solely one person; in fact if I'm correct the closest one to your region that is solely owned by own person is my puppet storage bay which holds 187 nations. While should restrictions be put in place I'll simply inflate a sinker, or feeder's populace with my nations because I'm not going to waste my time with it.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I believe that when this idea was raised previously, it was noted that regions could remove the "Puppet Storage" tag to reenter the rankings.

...and moderators could make that against the rules.

Problem solved.

So how would this be enforced? A region with puppets in it must bear the puppet storage tag, or be deleted?

I see no issue with making this change, but I believe it's worth noting that there would be an easy work-around, unless NS wants to add a lot more complicated rules.

[Andacantra]

At which point does a region become puppet storage? 1 puppet (pretty much every single region)? 10 puppets but 30 legitimate members? 10 puppets with 3 legitimate members? It would be utterly unenforceable.

[Afforess]

At which point does a region become puppet storage? 1 puppet (pretty much every single region)? 10 puppets but 30 legitimate members? 10 puppets with 3 legitimate members? It would be utterly unenforceable.

Uh this isn't hard. Some regions exist for puppet storage. If that is their sole purpose, then they get excluded from population rankings. If puppet storage is not the sole purpose, then not.

Feels like people are over complicating a simple solution to a simple problem.

[Cerian Quilor]

How do you define if its exists solely for Puppet Storage? Epogennick (for example) exist(ed) primarily as a raiding platform. The puppet storage part was incidental.

[Weed]

How do you define if its exists solely for Puppet Storage? Epogennick (for example) exist(ed) primarily as a raiding platform. The puppet storage part was incidental.

Translation: Epogennick was a region whose purpose was to store puppets up until they moved with other puppets at some exact time.
I suppose the difference being that in most puppet storage regions the nations aren't meant to move later. But Epogennick's role was clearly still puppet storage.

The real question would be at what ratio of puppets to nations is it considered a puppet storage? If a small userite with 4-5 active members decides to boost its population to over 1000 with puppets is that puppet storage? 500? 100? 40?

[Sedgistan]

Having moderators decide which regions are "solely used to store puppets" sounds about as workable as asking moderators to define "nativity". We've deliberately moved away from having to make those kinds of judgement calls.

[Tlik]

...and moderators could make that against the rules.

Problem solved.

So how would this be enforced? A region with puppets in it must bear the puppet storage tag, or be deleted?

I see no issue with making this change, but I believe it's worth noting that there would be an easy work-around, unless NS wants to add a lot more complicated rules.

How many people do you think would actually break these rules, out of interest? I mean, sure, it's unenforceable, but I imagine many number of puppet-dump owners would be happy to drop their puppet dumps out of the rankings just out of the goodness of their own hearts. After all, many of them will belong to regions that they'd like to see moved up the rankings.

[Riemstagrad]

please forbid players to propose new rules....

[Purpelia]

please forbid players to propose new rules....

I second this proposal.

[Andacantra]

At which point does a region become puppet storage? 1 puppet (pretty much every single region)? 10 puppets but 30 legitimate members? 10 puppets with 3 legitimate members? It would be utterly unenforceable.

Uh this isn't hard. Some regions exist for puppet storage. If that is their sole purpose, then they get excluded from population rankings. If puppet storage is not the sole purpose, then not.

Feels like people are over complicating a simple solution to a simple problem.

Because it's still not that clear. As others have alluded to above, regions such as epogennick. And you'll still get regions with a small number of active players and a large number of puppets, or people inflating their region with puppets. Those, as well as this supposed "problem" won't go away.