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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Scolopendra » Thu May 07, 2009 1:29 pm

That's where we disagree. If you go for a less-specific family of flags, say tricolors or various crosses, then once the color's been bled out and the image faded the kind of people who would complain were it specific will see specificity where none is intended. I base this on experience; just ask a room full of (Slavic) Macedonians, Albanians, and Greeks what ethnicity Alexander the Great was and watch the bloodshed. For some reason it's the unimportant harmless details that people get hung up on.

Hence if we use a class of flag--let's say, for example, the vertical tricolor--then nationalistic Italians and French who have nothing better to do but complain will complain. If it's a horizontal tricolor, then Russians and Germans will see some sort of coded message in it and complain. Offset cross, Scandinavians. Solid color, Libya. The list goes on and on and on.

This is why I argue for using an original design which, while flaglike, is not used IRL at all if possible and, preferably, does not even resemble anything IRL except unless you squint and stand on your head.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Dunczton » Thu May 07, 2009 1:46 pm

Somewhereistonia wrote:
Erastide wrote:
Somewhereistonia wrote:How about this, a simple flag with NS colours.

The problem is, if you're scrolling posts down, that would register as still alive initally. At least to me. Hopefully without being too jarring, it should be easy to recognize that that poster no longer exists.


Hmm, I see your point, so here is the Mk.2

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I think that would be good flag t represent all of the "dead" nations.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Somewhereistonia » Thu May 07, 2009 1:48 pm

If anyone really complains, then they could always be directed to my original design (green, white, black). Its not quite the same issue as the issues involved in Alexander the Great's ethnicity. I think anyone who really complains over my design being their national flag would either be looking to get banned or looking to argue. Especially as the comparative contrast of the bands does not correlate to any of these national flags.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Nautilus Landing » Thu May 07, 2009 2:04 pm

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It has strong clear colors and the shadow effect on the symbols shows that its a non flag rather than a flag with that symbol.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Somewhereistonia » Thu May 07, 2009 2:53 pm

Nautilus Landing wrote:It has strong clear colors and the shadow effect on the symbols shows that its a non flag rather than a flag with that symbol.


Hmm, doesn't look too bad. Just so you know, many NS nations use shadow and pictures etc for their flags, so that in itself doesn't make it clear. I'm not sure where you could add ex-nation to it to make it clear, but if you found a way that looked good, it may just work.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby UNIverseVERSE » Thu May 07, 2009 3:06 pm

Scolopendra wrote:That's where we disagree. If you go for a less-specific family of flags, say tricolors or various crosses, then once the color's been bled out and the image faded the kind of people who would complain were it specific will see specificity where none is intended. I base this on experience; just ask a room full of (Slavic) Macedonians, Albanians, and Greeks what ethnicity Alexander the Great was and watch the bloodshed. For some reason it's the unimportant harmless details that people get hung up on.

Hence if we use a class of flag--let's say, for example, the vertical tricolor--then nationalistic Italians and French who have nothing better to do but complain will complain. If it's a horizontal tricolor, then Russians and Germans will see some sort of coded message in it and complain. Offset cross, Scandinavians. Solid color, Libya. The list goes on and on and on.

This is why I argue for using an original design which, while flaglike, is not used IRL at all if possible and, preferably, does not even resemble anything IRL except unless you squint and stand on your head.


How about doing diagonal tricolor, which is slightly interesting looking and, as far as I know, not used IRL by anybody. Fade it to three shades of grey with transparency, stamp Ex-Nation over it, and you should be good to go (but don't ask me to actually make it or a mockup - I couldn't even make this flag I have now).
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Somewhereistonia » Thu May 07, 2009 3:15 pm

UNIverseVERSE wrote:How about doing diagonal tricolor, which is slightly interesting looking and, as far as I know, not used IRL by anybody. Fade it to three shades of grey with transparency, stamp Ex-Nation over it, and you should be good to go (but don't ask me to actually make it or a mockup - I couldn't even make this flag I have now).


Image Something like this? I'm not sure, although I need to even it up.

But I can't see your flag... http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t38/ ... 1241734499
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Todd McCloud » Thu May 07, 2009 3:42 pm

Bah, I still like mine, lol.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Erastide » Thu May 07, 2009 3:53 pm

Somewhereistonia wrote:But I can't see your flag... http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t38/ ... 1241734499

He did that deliberately. It's a transparent png file. :P

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Somewhereistonia » Thu May 07, 2009 4:12 pm

Erastide wrote:
Somewhereistonia wrote:But I can't see your flag... http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t38/ ... 1241734499

He did that deliberately. It's a transparent png file. :P


Thought it was a bit odd that only his didn't show up. Maybe I should have looked harder.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Avalaun (Ancient) » Thu May 07, 2009 9:36 pm

I really like the greyed out flag with the caption “no longer exists”, as suggested by Grungerock and Commerce heights. Either version, or some similar variation would be most appropriate and easily understood. It would have to be noted somewhere, though, that no active nation could use the chosen design (or one sufficiently similar) for their own flag, in order to avoid confusion.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Barringtonia » Thu May 07, 2009 9:43 pm

Scolopendra wrote:This is why I argue for using an original design which, while flaglike, is not used IRL at all if possible and, preferably, does not even resemble anything IRL except unless you squint and stand on your head.


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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Scolopendra » Thu May 07, 2009 11:02 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
Scolopendra wrote:This is why I argue for using an original design which, while flaglike, is not used IRL at all if possible and, preferably, does not even resemble anything IRL except unless you squint and stand on your head.


I see you're coming around to my cigarette design.

Doesn't meet the "flag-like" criterion. :P

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Barringtonia » Thu May 07, 2009 11:10 pm

Scolopendra wrote:Doesn't meet the "flag-like" criterion. :P


It's very rectangular.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Bears Armed » Fri May 08, 2009 12:36 am

Somewhereistonia wrote:
Erastide wrote:
Somewhereistonia wrote:How about this, a simple flag with NS colours.

The problem is, if you're scrolling posts down, that would register as still alive initally. At least to me. Hopefully without being too jarring, it should be easy to recognize that that poster no longer exists.


Hmm, I see your point, so here is the Mk.2

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Green/white/black/red? Those are the traditional "Islamic" colours, and are therefore used (in varying combinations) in quite a few flags from the (RL) Middle East... quite a few of which involve, like your design, horizontal tricolours...
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Nautilus Landing » Fri May 08, 2009 2:14 am

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I made this when I was bored. I wanted to make the planks go outside the background flag to add depth but I wasn't sure about the size restrictions.
large version:
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb25 ... ed-lrg.png
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Jandypolis » Fri May 08, 2009 6:53 am

Somewhereistonia wrote:
UNIverseVERSE wrote:How about doing diagonal tricolor, which is slightly interesting looking and, as far as I know, not used IRL by anybody. Fade it to three shades of grey with transparency, stamp Ex-Nation over it, and you should be good to go (but don't ask me to actually make it or a mockup - I couldn't even make this flag I have now).


Image Something like this? I'm not sure, although I need to even it up.

But I can't see your flag... http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t38/ ... 1241734499

I just saw that Congo, at least the Congo you can choose here as flag, has a flag just like this (other colors though), so diagonal isn't an option either. But maybe you could flip it and/or make it more slanted.

Edit: Sorry, didn't look at your's properly. Your middle part is much bigger, so it may be okay.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby UNIverseVERSE » Fri May 08, 2009 7:41 am

Somewhereistonia wrote:
Image Something like this? I'm not sure, although I need to even it up.

But I can't see your flag... http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t38/ ... 1241734499


Something vaguely like that, yes. I can think of a few simple and relatively interesting ways to split up the flag so that it isn't any RL nation.

However, I was thinking more like the look of one of Commerce Heights' designs, with the extremely faded and slightly transparent grays.

And yes, I have what I call the "Zen flag". It's exactly the size of a normal flag, and split into two sections, along the normal yin-yang style*. It's also completely transparent.

*I don't actually know if this is true, because I didn't make it.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Esternial » Sat May 09, 2009 2:37 am

Commerce Heights wrote:Image

This blends into the forum color scheme, making it stand out from the colorful flags of most actual nations without being distracting.


I vote for this one

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby West-Flanders » Sat May 09, 2009 10:36 am

Esternial wrote:
Commerce Heights wrote:Image

This blends into the forum color scheme, making it stand out from the colorful flags of most actual nations without being distracting.


I vote for this one

I concur, it's the best I've seen so far..
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Scolopendra » Sat May 09, 2009 10:05 pm

You have to read the entire thread; that one is no-go because it's "ex-nation" and the Aboriginal flag. Seeing how Aboriginals were once at risk to become an ex-people, this offends some peoples' sensibilities.

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Valipac » Sat May 09, 2009 10:24 pm

Scolopendra wrote:You have to read the entire thread; that one is no-go because it's "ex-nation" and the Aboriginal flag. Seeing how Aboriginals were once at risk to become an ex-people, this offends some peoples' sensibilities.

Doesn't change the fact that it is still the best looking candidate.
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby Golden Triangle Tout » Sun May 10, 2009 4:46 am

How about a different theme, but keeping with the ex-nation idea:
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At 107x71

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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Sun May 10, 2009 6:30 am

Nautilus Landing wrote:Image
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Re: Competition: make an ex-nation flag!

Postby West-Flanders » Sun May 10, 2009 10:41 am

Golden Triangle Tout wrote:How about a different theme, but keeping with the ex-nation idea:
Image

At 107x71

Yeah, this one I like as well. It's not flag-like. There's no flag of an excisting nation/culture that might be offended. It has a grim reaper in it, so the meaning is clear (at least clearer than the one with that cigaret). It's not too distracting in terms of colours.
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