NationStates

Tramiar wrote:

Unibot III wrote:because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.

It's still recruitment, and why should you be allowed to bypass the rules everyone else has to follow?

Because there are people out there that are satisfied with what region they're in and aren't interested in being in a new region. But could be interested in something else to do beyond that, like a new organization, IRC, forum or some sort of project. There should be limitations on the latter, like a filter, but I don't think they should be treated as one homogeneous block when that limits the choices of the NS Player over what appears in his Telegram Box.

Unibot III wrote:

Tramiar wrote:It's still recruitment, and why should you be allowed to bypass the rules everyone else has to follow?

Because there are people out there that are satisfied with what region they're in and aren't interested in being in a new region. But could be interested in something else to do beyond that, like a new organization, IRC, forum or some sort of project. There should be limitations on the latter, like a filter, but I don't think they should be treated as one homogeneous block when that limits the choices of the NS Player over what appears in his Telegram Box.

In which case, they can go looking for it in someplace that enables you to publicly broadcast your fantastic news to anyone interested in learning of it. Somewhere like a public forum, perhaps?

Treznor wrote:

Unibot III wrote:
Because there are people out there that are satisfied with what region they're in and aren't interested in being in a new region. But could be interested in something else to do beyond that, like a new organization, IRC, forum or some sort of project. There should be limitations on the latter, like a filter, but I don't think they should be treated as one homogeneous block when that limits the choices of the NS Player over what appears in his Telegram Box.

In which case, they can go looking for it in someplace that enables you to publicly broadcast your fantastic news to anyone interested in learning of it. Somewhere like a public forum, perhaps?

Forums are incredibly limited for broadcasting these things, private messages are much much more effective. I would compare a forum's worth for advertising as the equivalent to a feeder RMB.

Unibot III wrote:

Treznor wrote:In which case, they can go looking for it in someplace that enables you to publicly broadcast your fantastic news to anyone interested in learning of it. Somewhere like a public forum, perhaps?

Forums are incredibly limited for broadcasting these things, private messages are much much more effective. I would compare a forum's worth for advertising as the equivalent to a feeder RMB.

Yes. They are. And that's precisely the way I want it: limited so that I don't have to put it up with it if I don't want to see it. And if I do want to see it, I know where to go find it. I'm not concerned with your convenience. I'm concerned with the convenience of all the people who aren't interested in your advertising.

Unibot III wrote:

Tramiar wrote:It's still recruitment, and why should you be allowed to bypass the rules everyone else has to follow?

Because there are people out there that are satisfied with what region they're in and aren't interested in being in a new region. But could be interested in something else to do beyond that, like a new organization, IRC, forum or some sort of project. There should be limitations on the latter, like a filter, but I don't think they should be treated as one homogeneous block when that limits the choices of the NS Player over what appears in his Telegram Box.

To paraphrase: The UDL should get a special pass because they don't need you to come to their region. Why not say this rather than dance around like you are championing some grand idea?

You just want to bypass the filters and I for one will report anything that looks remotely like recruiting that is not flagged as such.

Click the darn check box like everyone else is going to have to.

Maybe the checkbox should be changed from recruiting to Regional / Organizational advertising.

Treznor wrote:I'm concerned with the convenience of all the people who aren't interested in your advertising.

Okay, so what's more important, (A) the people driving activity in the game are able to effectively get the message out regarding new organizations, forums and communication out there to people interested or (B) old codgers don't have to be bothered with ticking the "Miscellaneous Messages" option off?

Unibot III wrote:

Treznor wrote:I'm concerned with the convenience of all the people who aren't interested in your advertising.

Okay, so what's more important, (A) the people driving activity in the game are able to effectively get the message out regarding new organizations, forums and communication out there to people interested or (B) old codgers don't have to be bothered with ticking the "Miscellaneous Messages" option off?

B, of course. Because I strongly suspect that the A group aren't driving as much activity as they like to think they are. Mostly they're driving people to block them.

Treznor wrote:

Unibot III wrote:
Okay, so what's more important, (A) the people driving activity in the game are able to effectively get the message out regarding new organizations, forums and communication out there to people interested or (B) old codgers don't have to be bothered with ticking the "Miscellaneous Messages" option off?

B, of course. Because I strongly suspect that the A group aren't driving as much activity as they like to think they are. Mostly they're driving people to block them.

Uni's TG's worked on me...

Lowell Leber wrote:

Treznor wrote:B, of course. Because I strongly suspect that the A group aren't driving as much activity as they like to think they are. Mostly they're driving people to block them.

Uni's TG's worked on me...

I'm happy for you.

Lowell Leber wrote:

Treznor wrote:B, of course. Because I strongly suspect that the A group aren't driving as much activity as they like to think they are. Mostly they're driving people to block them.

Uni's TG's worked on me...

And he shouldn't be allowed when the rest of the recruiting world isn't.

Cerberion wrote:To paraphrase: The UDL should get a special pass because they don't need you to come to their region. Why not say this rather than dance around like you are championing some grand idea?

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Alright, let's hold that thought for a second. The UDL isn't a region. You don't need to leave 10ki to join the UDL. You can still be a member of 10ki (you can't take on a government position in 10ki.. but that's because of said region's rules, not mine). Joining us doesn't imply you need to move your nation anywhere. Moreover, joining us doesn't even mean that you're going to play the R/D game -- we've got people working as diplomats who haven't ever touched foot on the R/D Battlefield.

MOREOVER, you would looooove to see the UDL stick to GCR recruitment like "everyone else" where we're at a distinct disadvantage. Namely, you have gigantic links that say "JOIN MY REGION" and buttons and marvelous other stuff to make lives really easy for people joining your region. Of course you wouldn't want to make it easier for the UDL to get its invitational messages out there; especially when you're too busy laughing about the idea of someone bothering to copy and paste our forum link, when all of the other telegrams have fancy links for recruits.

Tramiar wrote:

Lowell Leber wrote:
Uni's TG's worked on me...

And he shouldn't be allowed when the rest of the recruiting world isn't.

You do realize, he is still a contributing and leading member of his region, right? Just wondering.

I'm just saying that it doesnt necessarily cause people to "block". In other words, what is the big deal?? Its a game...games are meant to be played...And yes, I am a leader in my region and nothing to do with UDL or Unibot ever changed or threatened to change that...

Unibot III wrote:

Cerberion wrote:To paraphrase: The UDL should get a special pass because they don't need you to come to their region. Why not say this rather than dance around like you are championing some grand idea?

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Alright, let's hold that thought for a second. The UDL isn't a region. You don't need to leave 10ki to join the UDL. You can still be a member of 10ki (you can't take on a government position in 10ki.. but that's because of said region's rules, not mine). Joining us doesn't imply you need to move your nation anywhere. Moreover, joining us doesn't even mean that you're going to play the R/D game -- we've got people working as diplomats who haven't ever touched foot on the R/D Battlefield.

MOREOVER, you would looooove to see the UDL stick to GCR recruitment like "everyone else" where we're at a distinct disadvantage. Namely, you have gigantic links that say "JOIN MY REGION" and buttons and marvelous other stuff to make lives really easy for people joining your region. Of course you wouldn't want to make it easier for the UDL to get its invitational messages out there; especially when you're too busy laughing about the idea of someone bothering to copy and paste our forum link, when all of the other telegrams have fancy links for them.

Don't even whine that the UDL is at a disadvantage because you don't use a region. If it's such a disadvantage, use your region. It's really that simple. As for "not needing to leave 10KI to join the UDL", no one has to leave their region to join another either. We're allowed multiple nations. So no. Any "disadvantages" the UDL has are created solely by you. I'm kind of wondering if you didn't create them so you could get special treatment.

Lowell Leber wrote:I'm just saying that it doesnt necessarily cause people to "block". In other words, what is the big deal?? Its a game...games are meant to be played...And yes, I am a leader in my region and nothing to do with UDL or Unibot ever changed or threatened to change that...

There are many aspects to this game, and not everyone wants to participate in the same ones you do. Let the ones who do opt in for it. Leave the rest of us alone, please.

Unibot III wrote:

Tramiar wrote:And he shouldn't be allowed when the rest of the recruiting world isn't.

You do realize, he is still a contributing and leading member of his region, right? Just wondering.

And... I'm supposed to care why? It has nothing to do with the fact that you don't deserve any more than any other recruiter does.

Tramiar wrote:As for "not needing to leave 10KI to join the UDL", no one has to leave their region to join another either.

Generally speaking, the assumption is that people in these terms (they don't always actually).

EDIT: This systems makes no sense from an organizational position if it is treated as "Recruitment". It's going to have people joining The United Defenders League's placeholder region.. which defeats the purpose of the UDL being an organization where players from all different regions can fight the defender cause.

The new features state that I may only save some ten telegrams through archiving them, however, I presently have 16 archived, and would rather that they remain as such.

Will said telegrams be deleted in order to have my nations meet up with the set standards, or will they remain there as long as I do not try to change anything with them?

Will the purchasable content come up today?

I've been browsing the new system. I like it.

It still hasnt updated in the supposed 30 minutes, its been like 2 hours

Rufalia wrote:It still hasnt updated in the supposed 30 minutes, its been like 2 hours

Yes it has... it's up now.

I love the new TG platform, very well constructed.

its looking like its up to me cause i just sent a telegram

Looking at the API, it says rates will be limited to 1 TG per 20 seconds for non-recruitment TGs. What is the rate limit for recruitment TGs?