New TG system: Q&A Thread

[Sichuan Pepper]

Any thoughts on recruitment TG's being able to be properly filtered?
I mean a new nation being able to filter what is coming in to narrow the spamrecruitfest to what they are interested in?

Large region
Small region
Invading
Defending
Roleplay
Offsite Forum


That kind of thing........so recruiting can be fine tuned to nations you want to target and nations can narrow it to suit what region they are looking for.

[Frisbeeteria]

...so recruiting can be fine tuned to nations you want to target and nations can narrow it to suit what region they are looking for.

You can use the Tag Cloud to define your target audience. So can the recipients, by clicking the link and looking. Adding it to the TG system would almost certainly be an unnecessary complication.

[Emirasia]

I was lead to believe NationStates is very much free. This new TG Stamps system is kinda going against what Max Barry said last year... About NationStates remaining free.

But I guess it will stop people spamming...

[Abatael]

I was lead to believe NationStates is very much free. This new TG Stamps system is kinda going against what Max Barry said last year... About NationStates remaining free.

But I guess it will stop people spamming...

NationStates is still free.

You can still telegram as many people as you would like without a charge.

[Cerian Quilor]

Any thoughts on recruitment TG's being able to be properly filtered?
I mean a new nation being able to filter what is coming in to narrow the spamrecruitfest to what they are interested in?

Large region
Small region
Invading
Defending
Roleplay
Offsite Forum


That kind of thing........so recruiting can be fine tuned to nations you want to target and nations can narrow it to suit what region they are looking for.

Not everyone will know what exactly they want.

[[violet]]

Yeah, Tramiar is right - Mahaj's questions seem to be leading towards whether a recruiting TG for defending/the UDL would have to be labelled as a recruiting one when sent through the TG system. We haven't set up definite rules for the new TG system, but the answer is probably yes - if you're recruiting, whether for a region or an organisation, you're going to have to label that as a recruiting telegram.

The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.

We will have to decide what to do about forms of recruitment that aren't so clear-cut, such as encouraging the recipient to join an offsite forum, which may not involve any change of region. I would guess that there isn't enough of that to require its own category, so maybe we just broaden the in-game definition a little and allow the "Move" button to be optional.

But I will fix that once the core system is in.

Please note that ALL THE USUAL RULES STILL APPLY until they are formally removed from the FAQ and/or forum stickies. I don't want anyone assuming that our spam rules have all disappeared on Day 1. It's going to take a while to make a full transition.

[San Leggera]

The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.

Would that still apply for recruitment to a passworded region?

[Cerian Quilor]

So when would autoscripts be relegallized for recruitment?

[Great Nepal]

NS main site went down, can we assume this is to add new TG system?

[San Leggera]

NS main site went down, can we assume this is to add new TG system?

Yep. There's an announcement about it in your UCP.

[Unibot III]

Yeah, Tramiar is right - Mahaj's questions seem to be leading towards whether a recruiting TG for defending/the UDL would have to be labelled as a recruiting one when sent through the TG system. We haven't set up definite rules for the new TG system, but the answer is probably yes - if you're recruiting, whether for a region or an organisation, you're going to have to label that as a recruiting telegram.

The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.

I don't understand this though, you don't need to move regions to defend. You can just as easily switch out of the WA and defend with a puppet, then switch the WA back on your main account.. which is what most defenders do already and what I advise defenders to do especially now that the WA Applications are instantaneous. The rules always have assumed that sending someone a message about joining the UDL or defending, means they're going to leave the region to participate in said organization or defending activities -- this is a perversion of what actually goes on.

[Tramiar]

The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.

I don't understand this though, you don't need to move regions to defend. You can just as easily switch out of the WA and defend with a puppet, then switch the WA back on your main account.. which is what most defenders do already and what I advise defenders to do especially now that the WA Applications are instantaneous. The rules always have assumed that sending someone a message about joining the UDL or defending, means they're going to leave the region to participate in said organization or defending activities -- this is a perversion of what actually goes on.

Not changing regions doesn't mean it isn't recruiting, and so you should have to follow the recruiting rules that everyone else does, despite you not having a region. Anyway, I'd think this topic would belong in a new thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with the new TG system.

[Unibot III]

I don't understand this though, you don't need to move regions to defend. You can just as easily switch out of the WA and defend with a puppet, then switch the WA back on your main account.. which is what most defenders do already and what I advise defenders to do especially now that the WA Applications are instantaneous. The rules always have assumed that sending someone a message about joining the UDL or defending, means they're going to leave the region to participate in said organization or defending activities -- this is a perversion of what actually goes on.

Not changing regions doesn't mean it isn't recruiting, and so you should have to follow the recruiting rules that everyone else does, despite you not having a region. Anyway, I'd think this topic would belong in a new thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with the new TG system.

For one thing, the recruitment system is going to tack on a button that isn't necessary for us. Moreover, the reasons for not having recruitment seem rather diminished when it isn't affecting the competition of UCRs unless UCRers also think they should have control over every organization, every forum, every IRC channel and anything else their members could be invited to join.

Furthermore, I think it is entirely possible for someone who is not interested in joining a new region, to be interested in hearing about new organizations, IRC Channels, forums and other projects. Yet the current system bundles all this together as one category to opt-in or opt-out of based upon where you reside in NS.

[Treznor]

Not changing regions doesn't mean it isn't recruiting, and so you should have to follow the recruiting rules that everyone else does, despite you not having a region. Anyway, I'd think this topic would belong in a new thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with the new TG system.

For one thing, the recruitment system is going to tack on a button that isn't necessary for us. Moreover, the reasons for not having recruitment seem rather diminished when it isn't affecting the competition of UCRs unless UCRers also think they should have control over every organization, every forum, every IRC channel and anything else their members could be invited to join.

Furthermore, I think it is entirely possible for someone who is not interested in joining a new region, to be interested in hearing about new organizations, IRC Channels, forums and other projects. Yet the current system bundles all this together as one category to opt-in or opt-out of based upon where you reside in NS.

Yes, actually, it is necessary for you. If you've got something nifty/wonderful/I really need to know, post a thread and I'll come looking for it. If I don't, then I didn't really need to know. I want spam to be opt-in, not opt-out. That includes announcements about new organizations, IRC channels, forums and other projects. I'm glad you have fun with other stuff, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily fun for anyone else.

[Unibot III]

For one thing, the recruitment system is going to tack on a button that isn't necessary for us. Moreover, the reasons for not having recruitment seem rather diminished when it isn't affecting the competition of UCRs unless UCRers also think they should have control over every organization, every forum, every IRC channel and anything else their members could be invited to join.

Furthermore, I think it is entirely possible for someone who is not interested in joining a new region, to be interested in hearing about new organizations, IRC Channels, forums and other projects. Yet the current system bundles all this together as one category to opt-in or opt-out of based upon where you reside in NS.

Yes, actually, it is necessary for you. If you've got something nifty/wonderful/I really need to know, post a thread and I'll come looking for it. If I don't, then I didn't really need to know. I want spam to be opt-in, not opt-out. That includes announcements about new organizations, IRC channels, forums and other projects. I'm glad you have fun with other stuff, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily fun for anyone else.

That sounds like general laziness to be honest. "I don't want to hear about this stuff, that's why it must be opt-out!" It'll probably take you a minute to opt-out. The real reason why some are opposing opt-out strategies is because they're worried what others might read in the telegrams, so the "opt-in" functions as a buffer. But if organizations, IRC channels and forums etc. do not pose a threat to UCRs, then I don't see why there should be outrage with them being out-out.

Moreover, that's getting off topic. The question wasn't whether it should be opt-in/opt-out, but whether you should be able to distinguish between UCR Recruitment and Organizational/IRC/Forum Recruitment -- because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.

[The nordic land of Skyrim]

When will this come out

[San Leggera]

When will this come out

Should be soon (I'm talking (what I believe to be) a few hours maximum). The maintenance to upload it finished about 45 mins ago; I think the admins are working out the kinks before it goes live.

[Alterio]

When will this come out

It wont, because of Obama, Beer and Kangaroos.

[Sovjetia]

get done in 3... 2... 1... NOW but its not done

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

How long is this gun take?

[Tramiar]

because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.

It's still recruitment, and why should you be allowed to bypass the rules everyone else has to follow? "We don't have a region, so we should be able to bother absolutely everyone in the game about our organization!" With this logic, I should be allowed to send out TGs to people who don't want recruitment messages saying "Hey, join #tbh on IRC, and come talk to us!" and if they happen to spend more time raiding with TBH than being active in their home region, so what? I didn't send them an average recruitment TG.

[Sovjetia]

will there be the Your port contains inappropriate language in the new TG system

[Jamie Anumia]

How long is this gun take?

Until its ready (most likely a few hours, I believe).

[Treznor]

Yes, actually, it is necessary for you. If you've got something nifty/wonderful/I really need to know, post a thread and I'll come looking for it. If I don't, then I didn't really need to know. I want spam to be opt-in, not opt-out. That includes announcements about new organizations, IRC channels, forums and other projects. I'm glad you have fun with other stuff, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily fun for anyone else.

That sounds like general laziness to be honest. "I don't want to hear about this stuff, that's why it must be opt-out!" It'll probably take you a minute to opt-out. The real reason why some are opposing opt-out strategies is because they're worried what others might read in the telegrams, so the "opt-in" functions as a buffer. But if organizations, IRC channels and forums etc. do not pose a threat to UCRs, then I don't see why there should be outrage with them being out-out.

Moreover, that's getting off topic. The question wasn't whether it should be opt-in/opt-out, but whether you should be able to distinguish between UCR Recruitment and Organizational/IRC/Forum Recruitment -- because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.

Sure, I'll admit to being lazy, if that's what it takes to keeping my inbox spam-free. But no, I don't think I should have to opt out of spam. I think people who are interested in new and interesting things should have to opt-in. Why? Because I think there are fewer people who are genuinely interested in spam than who aren't. Inconveniencing the majority, however slight, for the sake of the minority isn't in anyone's best interests. Mostly, it helps generate even more ill-will toward spammers.

Having put up with recruitment and other spam over the past ten years, I feel qualified to make such a statement.

No, it's not off-topic because whether it's recruitment spam or defender/raider spam or just "come see my neat thing!" spam, it's all spam. Spam is simply defined as "unsolicited advertisement." If you want to advertise to me, buy adspace somewhere. Don't send it directly to my inbox. Yes, I can and will block you but a lot of spammers are unscrupulous enough to create multiple accounts to bypass them, creating even more inconvenience for the average user.

I'm sorry, but you just don't have anything important enough that I want to hear from you. If you did, I'd come looking for you.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

How long is this gun take?

Until its ready (most likely a few hours, I believe).

A few hours? Bleck. I would give a lot if it were done sooner.