Split SC from GA Completely

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

No need. It already directs you to the WA forum, where the official debate is stickied. I don't see how the game staff would want to change the link every four days. I'm assuming with separate pages for the GA and the SC, they could link to their respective subforums.

Also, is there a possibility that the WA section in the FAQ could (finally) be updated? Maybe just add a Q&A about the two Councils and the purpose of each?

[Brutland and Norden]

I, for one, heartily endorse the Unibot/GF plan. It would provide more avenues for playing while developing the respective communities.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

No need. It already directs you to the WA forum, where the official debate is stickied. I don't see how the game staff would want to change the link every four days. I'm assuming with separate pages for the GA and the SC, they could link to their respective subforums.

Alternatively, I was thinking about having the general WA forum portal (viewforum.php?f=8) revised to resemble the General section, where the "Active topics" are hidden or the search algorithm is revised to include SC topics. Currently it is showing the GA topics by default.

[Topid]

Rather than the current proposal, I would rather it be set up like this:

The side bar looks like Uni's design. (A WA heading, and an SC and GA sub heading. (I'll allow GA on top and call it alphabetical order. )

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The World Assembly Page would consist of the following:

• Apply/Resign WA membership button with the current text along with it. (because no one but me supports seperate membership)
• Total number of WA members and WA delegates (with same wording and links to region and nation lists we currently have)
• Description of each body and a link to each body's page (other than the ones on the side)
• Link to the rules of WA like we have now, (and I don't really like that description of the rules anymore because it is out of date, but, that's another topic)
• A little line about the old NSUN with the usual story about the Organization which cannot be named or whatever, and a link to 'Historic Resolutions'.
• Recent Events section that has more than 10 things, expand that number to 20-25 (because we have more room and it would be easier to watch updates, which I find fun)
Items not on the WA Page:

• Link to Proposal page
• Link to past resolutions
• Resolution(s) at vote
• Links to the GA/SC forums
• Most recent vote description

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The GA page would consist of:

• A line something like: "To vote you must join the World Assembly" ("the World Assembly" being a link to the page where they apply to join)
• Resolution at vote in the GA (the at vote box would look and work the same as it does now, just on a new page)
• The Debate this issue on the GA forum line, with a link that goes only to the GA forum
• Last GA Decision ResolutionX passed/failed with X votes for and Y votes against (exactly like it is now, except only GA Resolutions go here)
• Link to past GA Resolutions
• Link to GA Proposals
• Link to Submit Proposal (this is the only page I think it's okay to have GA and SC combined by using the same page we currently do, only because fixing it would be hard. So I don't think this needs to say Sumbit a GA Proposal and one only be able to propose GA proposals from that link)

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The SC Page would Consist of:

• A line something like: "To vote you must join the World Assembly" ("the World Assembly" being a link to the page where they apply to join)
• Resolution at vote in the SC (the at vote box would look and work the same as it does now, just on a new page)
• The Debate this issue on the SC forum line, with a link that goes only to the SC forum
• Last SC Decision ResolutionX passed/failed with X votes for and Y votes against (exactly like it is now, except only SC Resolutions go here)
• Link to past SC Resolutions
• Link to SC Proposals
• Link to Submit Proposal (this is the only page I think it's okay to have GA and SC combined by using the same page we currently do, only because fixing it would be hard. So I don't think this needs to say Sumbit a SC Proposal and one only be able to propose SC proposals from that link)

(Links to Proposals and Past Resolutions could easily use the links to the sorted lists of SC and GA only proposals/resolutions, just remove the option for them to be viewed together in order to more clearly demonstrate they are seperate.)

I like this better because the proposals and past resolutions are not mixed together, and the difference between the two bodies is much more clear to those inactive on the forum. Also, the past WA Resolutions page would get messy/confusing if the GA and SC voting on a resolution ended at the same update.

Thoughts?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The link to "GA passed resolutions" or "SC passed resolutions" could just be the extant links to the sorted list (there are currently links to sort resolutions by council). Same with proposals. There is no need to unnecessarily complicate the coding process just to satisfy players who would rather completely ignore the other branch of the WA.

[Topid]

The link to "GA passed resolutions" or "SC passed resolutions" could just be the extant links to the sorted list (there are currently links to sort resolutions by council). Same with proposals. There is no need to unnecessarily complicate the coding process just to satisfy players who would rather completely ignore the other branch of the WA.

That's exactly what I propose just remove the link to mix them, and make sorting them the default... I suppose I could re-word it.

EDIT: Man, I can't use the right words at all tonight can I?!

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

The link to "GA passed resolutions" or "SC passed resolutions" could just be the extant links to the sorted list (there are currently links to sort resolutions by council). Same with proposals. There is no need to unnecessarily complicate the coding process just to satisfy players who would rather completely ignore the other branch of the WA.

^^ This was what I was thinking when I designed the original idea.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Items not on the WA Page:

• Link to Proposal page
• Link to past resolutions
• Resolution(s) at vote
• Links to the GA/SC forums
• Most recent vote description

Aside from the resolutions at vote, why shouldn't these things be included on the WA page? Instead of the GA or SC proposal/resolution lists, it could just be the omnibus lists; instead of the last GA decision, it could be both; instead of linking to the SC forum, it could link to the WA section (like it does now). And the link to submit a proposal can still appear next to the link to all proposals, especially since you said you don't think the proposal form itself should be subject to change. What's the harm in linking to it on three pages instead of two?

[Gobbannium]

Is there any reason not to include the resolutions at vote on the main WA page too? Other than size and the DRY principle, that is? Some of us might like a one-stop shop to ensure we remember to vote against the latest GA/SC^* abomination while contemplating the wonders of the latest SC/GA^* proposal.

^*Delete as applicable.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Too many coding issues, I would imagine, to allow people to vote on the same resolution on two different pages. The main WA page could always just link to the pages to both Councils, with a notation to the effect of: "There is a resolution currently at vote in the [Council]."

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Too many coding issues, I would imagine, to allow people to vote on the same resolution on two different pages. The main WA page could always just link to the pages to both Councils, with a notation to the effect of: "There is a resolution currently at vote in the [Council]."

If parallel voting is implemented, then probably the sections could give a summary of the resolutions at vote and the current voting levels, without the description which can sometimes be long.

BTW I was thinking about having the sections in columns rather than rows, too. Something like:

Current General Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in all WA member nations. Sample Resolution A resolution to do something like increasing human rights Category: Human Rights | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Example-topia Votes For: 1,234 Votes Against: 1,234 Voting Ends: in x hours [more details]

Current Security Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in the nominated region or nation. Liberate "Any-region" A resolution to liberate a region Category: Liberation | Nominee: Any-region | Proposed by: Example-topia Votes For: 1,234 Votes Against: 1,234 Voting Ends: in x hours [more details]

[Fit battion]

Too many coding issues, I would imagine, to allow people to vote on the same resolution on two different pages. The main WA page could always just link to the pages to both Councils, with a notation to the effect of: "There is a resolution currently at vote in the [Council]."

If parallel voting is implemented, then probably the sections could give a summary of the resolutions at vote and the current voting levels, without the description which can sometimes be long.

BTW I was thinking about having the sections in columns rather than rows, too. Something like:

Current General Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in all WA member nations. Sample Resolution A resolution to do something like increasing human rights Category: Human Rights | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Example-topia Votes For: 1,234 Votes Against: 1,234 Voting Ends: in x hours [more details]

Current Security Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in the nominated region or nation. Liberate "Any-region" A resolution to liberate a region Category: Liberation | Nominee: Any-region | Proposed by: Example-topia Votes For: 1,234 Votes Against: 1,234 Voting Ends: in x hours [more details]

I really like the look of that.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

It is worth noting that a two column design may succeed better if the category fields, effect and proposer nation were in separate lines because having it on one line would be dependent of the width of the monitor. Something like:

Category: Example Category, Decision: Right or Left
Proposed by: Exampleland

(Speaking of which, as a graphic designer, I have been pondering about a possible redesign of the UI recently.)

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

There will already be separate sidebar links to both branches, and presumably links to those pages on the main WA page as well. The summary of what is currently on those sub-pages does not need to be so descriptive. Plus there's the issue of what if there is no resolution at vote in either branch? Will there be just a large box reading "No resolution at vote" in the center?

[Charlotte Ryberg]

There will already be separate sidebar links to both branches, and presumably links to those pages on the main WA page as well. The summary of what is currently on those sub-pages does not need to be so descriptive. Plus there's the issue of what if there is no resolution at vote in either branch? Will there be just a large box reading "No resolution at vote" in the center?

Something like that: the main purpose would be to relay as much live information as possible to those who visit the WA page. For the case of no resolutions:

Current General Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in all WA member nations. No resolution is currently being voted on: (Submit a proposal) [More on General Assembly]

Current Security Assembly Resolution at vote The following resolution in this council is being debated. If it passes, it will immediately take effect in the nominated region or nation. Liberate "Any-region" A resolution to liberate a region Category: Liberation | Nominee: Any-region | Proposed by: Example-topia Votes For: 1,234 Votes Against: 1,234 Voting Ends: in x hours [More on Security Council]

It is worth noting that these are prototypes. The alignment may differ from the final version.

[Unibot]

I'm on the fence here, because I agree with Kenny, the sidebar would make it very quick to check everything anyway, but I also foresee problems down the road because if there was different times of voting, there could lie the possibility of GA proposals coming to vote at the 'Major' and SC proposals coming to vote on the 'Minor' update (or vice versa)-- which could get confusing for, er.. some who have limited time.

So.. I'm thinking that a better idea would be to incorporate an older idea from a while back with the new sidebar design.

What if? On the sidebar, "GENERAL ASSEMBLY" or "SECURITY COUNCIL" lit up or was highlighted or something if you had not yet voted on a proposal at-vote in the respected chambers (so non-WA nations would not see the highlights). Right now our issues and telegrams signal a "(#)" to pop on our sidebar, so maybe something similar to that would work too?.

Of course some would prefer they not light up at all for specific chambers, like a certain resident of the Security Council, wishing never to see the General Assembly link even highlighted. So maybe if you join the World Assembly, a new settings frame in SETTINGS would pop up, so you could turn off the highlights for different or all the branches.

That seems like a lot of coding work for little gain, but thats how I would solve the issue.

By the way: Kenny, does this mean NSwiki will need their own GA timeline?

[Topid]

Of course some would prefer they not light up at all for specific chambers, like a certain resident of the Security Council, wishing never to see the General Assembly link even highlighted. So maybe if you join the World Assembly, a new settings frame in SETTINGS would pop up, so you could turn off the highlights for different or all the branches.

Hehe, that's true.

I don't want to see the GA no, but, I don't mind having a little highlight on the left of my screen if it helps get this idea through, or leads to more voters on WA issues.

I like this idea, but maybe we should let the admin get the basics of this change done before attacking them with these little additions. These can wait till after it is implemented so as not to overwhelm the admin.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

By the way: Kenny, does this mean NSwiki will need their own GA timeline?

I'm probably going to convert the existing WA Timeline to a straight GA one, and once the SC starts passing more resolutions a separate page for that can be created as well. I'm soliciting feedback on Talk:WA Timeline, so if you have any suggestions, by all means post them.

I actually agree more with your idea of a highlight on the sidebars for resolutions at vote. I believe a suggestion was also made to place a reminder on a WA nation's homepage, similar to the one for unread issues and telegrams. The same reminder could also appear on the main WA page (similar to what I already suggested), below the descriptors/links to the Council homepages.

[Todd McCloud]

I'm not too keen on the column approach either because it might be a little detrimental for those who have computer screens that aren't wide - it'd make for reading both resolutions like a periodical, lol

Oh yes, and much thanks to the powers that be in pushing this forward!

[Gobbannium]

I'm not too keen on the column approach either because it might be a little detrimental for those who have computer screens that aren't wide - it'd make for reading both resolutions like a periodical, lol

I'm inclined to agree, and I'm sorry I suggested the one-stop shop now.

[JURISDICTIONS]

So really the only issue.....the only point of this tread....is to separate the voting?

You guys need to stick to one plan only!

The separation of the WA...is simple...just be able to have one resolution from the SC up...and one from the GA...and they both implement themselves at the same time...and allow a nation to vote for one chamber... or the other... or both the GA and the SC!

The queue is already separate...people are to lazy to click a link...

The only complaint here is voting...voting on one proposal...from one branch...that is it!

[The Republic of Lanos]

No.

just no.

[JURISDICTIONS]

I think we need to stick with the main stuff...first...let the admins implement that....then ask for the little things that need fixing to be fixed.

[JURISDICTIONS]

I think this topic needs to be brought up again....

Admins: When will this take place....and if not recently soon....can you give us a list of stuff that you will do before this?

[[violet]]

Just want to let you know this is still at the top of the list--I'm working on it in conjunction with some other stuff but it's definitely a priority. Just been slowed down by RL lately. Stupid RL!