(IDEA) Regional Defense System

[Astarial]

After what, 60 days, Jakker still couldn't password Dharma?

And defenders still couldn't liberate it. Pretty sure the point stands.

[Tramiar]

After what, 60 days, Jakker still couldn't password Dharma?

And defenders still couldn't liberate it. Pretty sure the point stands.

Not when you said that raiders could use it. It'd take more than a month for us to have the influence to do so. Defenders failing to liberate doesn't really mean all that much.

[Cerian Quilor]

The defenders made a slight miscalculation. Had they been ever so luckier, they'd have won it when they lib attempted

[Unibot III]

The defenders made a slight miscalculation. Had they been ever so luckier, they'd have won it when they lib attempted

I think the problem is more that we only had one shot to do it. With piling it limits your opportunities and constrains your resources; you blow a lot of favors, a lot of politicking and a rare opportunity where a lot of people are online, when you screw up your one shot to liberate. That's what piling has cost the game, it reduces the competitiveness of liberations down to one shot attempts if that.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

The defenders made a slight miscalculation. Had they been ever so luckier, they'd have won it when they lib attempted

I think the problem is more that we only had one shot to do it. With piling it limits your opportunities and constrains your resources; you blow a lot of favors, a lot of politicking and a rare opportunity where a lot of people are online, when you screw up your one shot to liberate. That's what piling has caused the game, it reduces the competitiveness of liberations down to one shot attempts if that.

And yet, when you don't make any mistakes, and you've got the numbers, you'd have to be insanely quick to outright defeat the liberation attempt- because you've got spreadsheets, too. In fact, for the 2-3 hours that I was in the UDL, I remember you telling me that your spreadsheets were significantly better than Halc's (whether this remains the case or not idk). So nobody wants to risk you trying.

[Unibot III]

I think the problem is more that we only had one shot to do it. With piling it limits your opportunities and constrains your resources; you blow a lot of favors, a lot of politicking and a rare opportunity where a lot of people are online, when you screw up your one shot to liberate. That's what piling has caused the game, it reduces the competitiveness of liberations down to one shot attempts if that.

And yet, when you don't make any mistakes, and you've got the numbers, you'd have to be insanely quick to outright defeat the liberation attempt- because you've got spreadsheets, too. In fact, for the 2-3 hours that I was in the UDL, I remember you telling me that your spreadsheets were significantly better than Halc's (whether this remains the case or not idk). So nobody wants to risk you trying.

Bullshit. For one thing, you're only looking at the size of the group instead of the margin from the lead-to-raider-delegate, which could mean you only need to eject a few, often only one liberator.

We don't have spreadsheets, I had a program which calculated influence better than Halc's, it was a bitch to maintain since it takes about a week of research. In regards to how it works (think Nate Silver and Bayesian weather prediction), it doesn't anymore, it's an exploded perl script that is broken, FriarTuck is more accurate at this point and it is not recommended for actual missions. Triggering, since Spartz invented it, has always been the more efficient system for timing.

[Astarial]

And defenders still couldn't liberate it. Pretty sure the point stands.

Not when you said that raiders could use it. It'd take more than a month for us to have the influence to do so. Defenders failing to liberate doesn't really mean all that much.

Actually, what I said was probably - there should always be exceptions, and Dharma is a reasonable one. And as Jakker himself said, he was using up influence to ban natives; had he not done that it would have taken under a month to be able to password. And in all of the time he was doing that, defenders were unable to liberate the region.

That means a lot, because it's how this idea is unbalanced. We are often unable to pull the number of updaters it takes to liberate heavily-reinforced raids; at the point where this system could be implemented, we would be unable to move sufficiently close to update to have a chance, despite the usual weakening of the raider delegate.

[Yes Im Biop]

Sound's pretty cool, and for places with no Founder a god send.