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Snow White
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List of Unavailable Names

Postby Snow White » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:16 pm

Is there a list of names you can't use for your nation somewhere please?

Very surprised this one was available but I've tried heaps that aren't and it's a pain. Is there an index anywhere?

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Neo Arcad
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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:20 pm

Snow White wrote:Is there a list of names you can't use for your nation somewhere please?

Very surprised this one was available but I've tried heaps that aren't and it's a pain. Is there an index anywhere?


Nope. Trial and error is the name of the game. Sorry about that...
Names of small nations that go inactive are recycled, however.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:21 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:
Snow White wrote:Is there a list of names you can't use for your nation somewhere please?

Very surprised this one was available but I've tried heaps that aren't and it's a pain. Is there an index anywhere?


Nope. Trial and error is the name of the game. Sorry about that...
Names of small nations that go inactive are recycled, however.

Maybe they're talking about 'banned' names...which I guess would be in the one stop rule shop.

But forget all that, how has no one ever called themselves Snow White until now?
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:22 pm

Yeah, that list would be way too big. Thousands of names have been taken.

If you mean names that break the rules generally it's anything sexual or with a swear word in it.

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Romalae
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Postby Romalae » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:23 pm

I find it interesting how one of the people who's responded in this thread hails himself/herself as "Cannot think of a name".
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Postby Neo Art » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:23 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:
Nope. Trial and error is the name of the game. Sorry about that...
Names of small nations that go inactive are recycled, however.

Maybe they're talking about 'banned' names...which I guess would be in the one stop rule shop.

But forget all that, how has no one ever called themselves Snow White until now?


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Postby Havl » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:26 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:But forget all that, how has no one ever called themselves Snow White until now?

It's possible that it was used before. Old names become available again after a while.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:27 pm

Romalae wrote:I find it interesting how one of the people who's responded in this thread hails himself/herself as "Cannot think of a name".

It is, as you can imagine, a sore spot.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:32 pm

Should this be in General, by the way?
Ostroeuropa wrote:Two shirtless men on a pushback with handlebar moustaches and a kettle conquered India, at 17:04 in the afternoon on a Tuesday. They rolled the bike up the hill and demanded that the natives set about acquiring bureaucratic records.

Des-Bal wrote:Modern politics is a series of assholes and liars trying to be more angry than each other until someone lets a racist epithet slip and they all scatter like roaches.

NSLV wrote:Introducing the new political text from acclaimed author/yak, NEO ARCAD, an exploration of nuclear power in the Middle East and Asia, "Nuclear Penis: He Won't Call You Again".

This is the best region ever. You know you want it.

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Astlist Realm
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Postby Astlist Realm » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:34 pm

Romalae wrote:I find it interesting how one of the people who's responded in this thread hails himself/herself as "Cannot think of a name".


lol

Think s/he means ones that are taken not ones that break the rules. Obviously you can't break the rules.

Still, how has nobody used Snow White in all these years?
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Postby Romalae » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:34 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Romalae wrote:I find it interesting how one of the people who's responded in this thread hails himself/herself as "Cannot think of a name".

It is, as you can imagine, a sore spot.


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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:34 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Yeah, that list would be way too big. Thousands of names have been taken.

Millions even.

Astlist Realm wrote:
Romalae wrote:I find it interesting how one of the people who's responded in this thread hails himself/herself as "Cannot think of a name".


lol

Think s/he means ones that are taken not ones that break the rules. Obviously you can't break the rules.

Still, how has nobody used Snow White in all these years?

From the Boneyard:

Active nation The Matriarchy of Snow White
Founded: Wed Aug 22 2012
Last activity: Wed Aug 22 2012
Population: 5 million

Ancient nation Snow white
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Mon Apr 21 2003
Population: 91 million
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:38 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Yeah, that list would be way too big. Thousands of names have been taken.

Millions even.

Astlist Realm wrote:
lol

Think s/he means ones that are taken not ones that break the rules. Obviously you can't break the rules.

Still, how has nobody used Snow White in all these years?

From the Boneyard:

Active nation The Matriarchy of Snow White
Founded: Wed Aug 22 2012
Last activity: Wed Aug 22 2012
Population: 5 million

Ancient nation Snow white
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Mon Apr 21 2003
Population: 91 million

Still a little stunned that it took this long to pop back up. But I know the recycle name thing has only been around for a little bit.
Romalae wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It is, as you can imagine, a sore spot.


Your Achilles heel?

My Waterloo.
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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:42 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Millions even.


From the Boneyard:

Active nation The Matriarchy of Snow White
Founded: Wed Aug 22 2012
Last activity: Wed Aug 22 2012
Population: 5 million

Ancient nation Snow white
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Mon Apr 21 2003
Population: 91 million

Still a little stunned that it took this long to pop back up. But I know the recycle name thing has only been around for a little bit.
Romalae wrote:

Yeah, it probably got recycled this last October. The nations who were immediately grabbed were actual nations. These types of names don't seem to be in much demand. Originally it still took several months. Game went live in November '02, name originally taken in April '03.

*edit* completely missed the name of the OP.
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7 Dwarves
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Postby 7 Dwarves » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:50 pm

The one from 2003 is "Snow white" with a little w. The new one is "Snow White" with a capital. So they are different.

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Jesus Christ
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Postby Jesus Christ » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:12 pm

Snow White wrote:Is there a list of names you can't use for your nation somewhere please?

Very surprised this one was available but I've tried heaps that aren't and it's a pain. Is there an index anywhere?

Nope, you'll just have to try 'em all manually via the Boneyard.

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Postby San Leggera » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:22 pm

7 Dwarves wrote:The one from 2003 is "Snow white" with a little w. The new one is "Snow White" with a capital. So they are different.

Capitalisation doesn't affect it, I don't think.
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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:23 pm

7 Dwarves wrote:The one from 2003 is "Snow white" with a little w. The new one is "Snow White" with a capital. So they are different.

No. Capitalization does not matter. It was likely Snow White anyhow. I think after a nation CTEs all the capitalization drops except the first letter.
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Postby San Leggera » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:40 pm

Luna Amore wrote:I think after a nation CTEs all the capitalization drops except the first letter.

It doesn't. A former nation I had with a two-word name, the first letters of which were both capitalised, retained the capitalisation when I checked the boneyard.
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Postby Ballotonia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:11 am

Snow White wrote:Is there a list of names you can't use for your nation somewhere please?

Very surprised this one was available but I've tried heaps that aren't and it's a pain. Is there an index anywhere?


Such a list would be too big to be practically useful, IMHO.

It starts with 92K nations which are currently in the game. Those obviously cannot be used to create a new nation. Then add the nations which are CTE now but were active within the past 5 years and so the names cannot be re-used (yet). That puts us at (my ballpark estimate) 1 million names. Then we need to add the names of all CTE nations played last in the 5 years before that but which have a population over the 250m limit (wild guess: another 500K names?), plus rulebreaking nations not counted yet, and a handful of reserved nation names for various other reasons.

Oh, and the list changes over time as well.

Just creating the list once would require plowing through lots of nation files (3 million+), which would be a huge effort for the NS server (taking days, if we want to also keep the server load low enough so people can continue to play the game in the mean time).

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Postby [violet] » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:48 pm

Ballotonia wrote:and a handful of reserved nation names for various other reasons

Part of that handful are names reserved because the nation is mentioned in a current region history. That one we do have a list for, and it has 11,117 names on it.

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This name was taken
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Postby This name was taken » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:22 pm

I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to think of new names... sheesh :p

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Postby Letoilenoir » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:59 pm

[violet] wrote:
Ballotonia wrote:and a handful of reserved nation names for various other reasons

Part of that handful are names reserved because the nation is mentioned in a current region history. That one we do have a list for, and it has 11,117 names on it.


I am not advocating this but, theoretically, if those regions that contained the mention of a reserved nation CTE'd then would that name become available, assuming it met the other criteria too?

If so then it might be expedient NOT to release that particular list - too much of a temptation!
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Postby [violet] » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:15 pm

Letoilenoir wrote:
[violet] wrote:Part of that handful are names reserved because the nation is mentioned in a current region history. That one we do have a list for, and it has 11,117 names on it.


I am not advocating this but, theoretically, if those regions that contained the mention of a reserved nation CTE'd then would that name become available, assuming it met the other criteria too?

Yep.

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Postby Eist » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:20 pm

We need a wall of shame that only contains deleted nations. I don't know why, but I think it will really help this game :p
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