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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Yootopia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:49 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:
Yootopia wrote:He didn't say "Yeah I'll restore your nation... NOT!" and DoS everyone who'd posted in the thread, though, which I'd have been tempted to do because it would have been more amusing on a personal level.


And he'd have lost his mod job for massive mod abuse.
renaming nations is a good idea, but the mods ignoring the idea...

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Renaming nations is a weak idea, due to inefficient matrix array flags which could be caused by changing long-standing data. JEEESUS it's not that hard to work out is it?
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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:50 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:
Because the population is tons smaller than the original nation, which sucks.

Why?


If you have 1.2 billion people, and you have to rename your nation, you have to start over with a a nation with 5 million people. Also, lots of history may be deleted with the other nation, so it's unfair to long-time players.
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Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Muravyets » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:50 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:
Because the population is tons smaller than the original nation, which sucks.

Why?


If you have 1.2 billion people, and you have to rename your nation, you have to start over with a a nation with 5 million people. Also, lots of history may be deleted with the other nation, so it's unfair to long-time players.

Unfair how?

And why would you have to rename your nation?

EDIT: I would really like an answer to the second question, because it might also answer the first.
Last edited by Muravyets on Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Georgetpwn » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:50 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:
Because the population is tons smaller than the original nation, which sucks.

Why?


If you have 1.2 billion people, and you have to rename your nation, you have to start over with a a nation with 5 million people. Also, lots of history may be deleted with the other nation, so it's unfair to long-time players.


^this.
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The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:51 pm

Someone supports my logic. Yay :)
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Muravyets » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:52 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:Someone supports my logic. Yay :)

I understand the change it makes. I just don't understand why it is a problem. Mostly because I don't understand why it would be necessary to change your nation name.
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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Georgetpwn » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:54 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:Someone supports my logic. Yay :)

I understand the change it makes. I just don't understand why it is a problem. Mostly because I don't understand why it would be necessary to change your nation name.


because he wants to?
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:54 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:Someone supports my logic. Yay :)

I understand the change it makes. I just don't understand why it is a problem. Mostly because I don't understand why it would be necessary to change your nation name.


Grammar errors in registration without realizing them.
Not being satisfied with the name, yet not wanting to abandon the said nation.
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Postby Georgetpwn » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:56 pm

^this.
same here.
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:56 pm

Mods, ya here?
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Baldwin for Christ » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:56 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:Grammar errors in registration without realizing them.
Not being satisfied with the name, yet not wanting to abandon the said nation.


Wouldn't you notice those errors fairly soon, long before growing to 4.5 billion people?
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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:57 pm

Baldwin for Christ wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:Grammar errors in registration without realizing them.
Not being satisfied with the name, yet not wanting to abandon the said nation.


Wouldn't you notice those errors fairly soon, long before growing to 4.5 billion people?


No- you'd just live with the nation, realizing that that's what you did.
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Postby Blouman Empire » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:59 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:
Because the population is tons smaller than the original nation, which sucks.

Why?


It's bad for RP, you can't have a large a military if you start a new nation with only 5 million as you could with an older nation of 5 billion.

Of course I would go tell the II dicks (those that get all uppity about population shit not all IIers) to go fuck themselves and this is a part of the RP and that my population is the one from the original account not the new nation but I will be using that name and account.
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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:03 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:
Because the population is tons smaller than the original nation, which sucks.

Why?


It's bad for RP, you can't have a large a military if you start a new nation with only 5 million as you could with an older nation of 5 billion.

Of course I would go tell the II dicks (those that get all uppity about population shit not all IIers) to go fuck themselves and this is a part of the RP and that my population is the one from the original account not the new nation but I will be using that name and account.


You'd be fried by Mr. Mod for flaming, though.
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Postby Blouman Empire » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:03 pm

Muravyets wrote:And why would you have to rename your nation?


It is all RP, nation names change in RL you might want to change your name.

For example in my RP the Blouman Empire at somepoint will not always be known as the Blouman Empire, the Emperor will one day be deposed and an elected federal government will take its place. Now the name of the nation will no longer be the Blouman Empire but rather Bloumany.
You know you've made it on NSG when you have a whole thread created around what you said.
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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Baldwin for Christ » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:04 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:
Baldwin for Christ wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:Grammar errors in registration without realizing them.
Not being satisfied with the name, yet not wanting to abandon the said nation.


Wouldn't you notice those errors fairly soon, long before growing to 4.5 billion people?


No- you'd just live with the nation, realizing that that's what you did.


But you could just as easily start a new nation right there, fixing the grammar error, and losing no growth.

So, the risk of losing all the history and size of a nation is easily avoided.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:04 pm

If you reference another thread, it helps if provide the link, so people know what you're actually on about (especially since your suggestion was posted with a puppet).
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12163 :)

Buccaneers FC wrote:There was this one suggestion about being allowed to customize your nation name (not prefix) after you had registered.


It also helps if you explain what yourself clearly. From this comment, I understood that you wanted to be able to change the actual name, which isn't going to happen, for a variety of technical reasons.

But your idea in your other thread seems to be wanting to have the option to have the custom title before or after the name, which seems reasonable, although there may be some technical reason that might make it difficult to do so.

Buccaneers FC wrote:However, the mods completely ignored it and denounced it.


While the mods as a group more or less did the former, the one mod reply you did get seems to me to have been a result of misunderstanding and question fatigue. The idea seems to have been misunderstood to be the age old "lets allow people to change their names!" suggestion that has been answered again and again and again and again and again and again and again, such that the mods simply get tired of answering it properly. (Plus it's in the Tech FAQ)

Buccaneers FC wrote:Do you think they're becoming more closed-minded to new ideas?


Actually rather just the opposite, especially in relation to the custom fields. :)
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Postby Blouman Empire » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:04 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:You'd be fried by Mr. Mod for flaming, though.


I'm not mentioning anyone by name, it should be alright.
You know you've made it on NSG when you have a whole thread created around what you said.
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Postby Georgetpwn » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:04 pm

i support chaning nation names.

btw, i know this will be locked for speaking against mod policy. or something to that effect.
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The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

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Postby Rikese » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:05 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:There was this one suggestion about being allowed to customize your nation name (not prefix) after you had registered. However, the mods completely ignored it and denounced it. Do you think they're becoming more closed-minded to new ideas?


No, not really.
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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:06 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:i support chaning nation names.

btw, i know this will be locked for speaking against mod policy. or something to that effect.


But then we could form our own uprising region, recruit, and go and DEFEAT THE SOMEWHAT EVIL AND SOMETIMES STUPID MOD/ADMIN POLICIES!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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Postby RhynoD » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:06 pm

It would also open up a whole new option for In-Character politics. Your nation has undergone a coup and been renamed "The People's Republic of Bugger Off You Lot". Same population, different leadership, different name.

Istanbul was Constantinople...



Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople...

Been a long time gone, Constantinople.
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.
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Re: NS opinion on mod ignorance?

Postby Yootopia » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:07 pm

Buccaneers FC wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:i support chaning nation names.

btw, i know this will be locked for speaking against mod policy. or something to that effect.


But then we could form our own uprising region, recruit, and go and DEFEAT THE SOMEWHAT EVIL AND SOMETIMES STUPID MOD/ADMIN POLICIES!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats for bringing the quality of this thread down so the mods have a legitimate reason to lock it.
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Postby Georgetpwn » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:07 pm

Rikese wrote:
Buccaneers FC wrote:There was this one suggestion about being allowed to customize your nation name (not prefix) after you had registered. However, the mods completely ignored it and denounced it. Do you think they're becoming more closed-minded to new ideas?


No, not really.


if they wanted new ideas, they want it from them or someone they think will propose a good idea.

so far, any improvements to the WA, banning raiding, and other suggestions such as this, have been ignored due to lack of interest on the mod part.
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

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Postby Buccaneers FC » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:07 pm

RhynoD wrote:It would also open up a whole new option for In-Character politics. Your nation has undergone a coup and been renamed "The People's Republic of Bugger Off You Lot". Same population, different leadership, different name.

Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.
Image


Yep.
The Weegies said:
Dear God, imagine a date with Bluth Corporation:

Date: "Do you mind paying, or do you want to split the bill?"
Bluth Corporation: YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY UNIVERSE-DERIVED OBJECTIVE INDIVIDUALITY! MY PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY, TAKEN FROM COMPLETELY CORRECT AND OBSERVABLE FIRST PRINCIPLES HAS BEEN VIOLATED! YOU ARE IMPOSING SOCIETAL NORMS UPON ME WHICH I REJECT AS ILLEGITIMATE! A IS A! A IS A!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: So... split it, then?

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