Ejecting nations from Lazarus

[[violet]]

Why is it that the "eject" button is turned off in Lazarus? I can't remember.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

I suspect someone tried to refound it. But NSwiki won't load, so I can't confirm in the article I think I remember that from.

[Ballotonia]

Perhaps to avoid nations being banned from the region? Used to be that nations would move from their old region to Lazarus in the process of refounding. Being on the banlist might mess with that.

I recall a Game Mod taking Foundership of Lazarus long ago, just to block access to regional controls after players were doing lots of Bad Things . Mind you, that was still under the old invasion rules. And an Admin later turned Lazarus controls into what it is now.

Ballotonia

[Harmoneia]

Ballo is correct. We tried asking for it a few times before, but to no avail.

We even bargained for Warzone-type controls, but to no avail either.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Does this mean the ban button is active in the new sinks?

[Crazy girl]

So I'm guessing it dates back from when nations were put on the banlist immediately when ejected from a region and you couldnt have nations banned from Lazarus because it would interfere with the refounding process.

[Sedgistan]

The new sinkers have banning too? It seems odd to allow that, as what happens if a nation is banned in all of them, then tries to revive? It might make more sense to have warzone style bans in all of them - that way, a nation can't be banned from all of them when it tries to revive itself.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Are the admins moving Testlandia back to Lazarus?

[Harmoneia]

Perhaps this is also why Lazarus seems to be "too full"? Now that there is Balder, would it make sense to at least have a 12-hour ban?

[Sichuan Pepper]

I believe the ban button needs to be disabled.

[Robin Hood]

I believe the ban button needs to be disabled.

I agree although I cannot speak for Balder's Constitutional Convention as I am not legitimately elected.

[Gruffydd ap Llywelyn 2]

How about an eject nation button only?

[Ginet]

I'm in favor of temp bans.

[[violet]]

So I'm guessing it dates back from when nations were put on the banlist immediately when ejected from a region and you couldnt have nations banned from Lazarus because it would interfere with the refounding process.

This sounds likely, but looking at the code, bans don't cover refounding nations. They can be ejected & banned, but if they're refounded, they can come back anyway.

Maybe the code wasn't that way originally.

[Digger the Cat]

I think I remember something where if a nation ceases to exist it is removed from any ban lists it is on. If this is true, then being on the Lazarus ban list would not interfere with the refounding process because the nation would not be on it when it is refounded. Could someone confirm if this is true or not though?

[[violet]]

It's not true, but it doesn't matter, because when a nation refounds, it does not "move" into Lazarus (or wherever) in the usual manner. It just reappears there, and no ban check is performed.

[Todd McCloud]

Just curious here, but what would happen if a nation was banned from all three sinkers, CTE'd, then was re-founded? Not going to say that'll happen, but I guess I'm just curious.

[[violet]]

Just curious here, but what would happen if a nation was banned from all three sinkers, CTE'd, then was re-founded?

It would be randomly placed in one of the three sinkers, regardless of its ban status. Its name would remain on the ban lists, even though it would be resident in one of them. It could be ejected and re-banned from that region as normal, in which case it would wind up in The Rejected Realms.

[Kitten]

Just curious here, but what would happen if a nation was banned from all three sinkers, CTE'd, then was re-founded?

It would be randomly placed in one of the three sinkers, regardless of its ban status. Its name would remain on the ban lists, even though it would be resident in one of them. It could be ejected and re-banned from that region as normal, in which case it would wind up in The Rejected Realms.

Would re-banning it make it appear on the list twice? Have we the power to double ban? XD

[Kenzai]

If it doesn't affect the revivification process, I can't see any good arguments for making the sinkers (except TRR, obviously) differ from the feeders in eject/ban capabilities.

[Robin Hood]

Hhhm if banned nations don't conflict with the banlist when they enter via refounding... I foresee some weird type of raid.

[Ananke II]

Is recruiting/advertising allowed in Balder and Osiris?

[Drop Your Pants]

Is recruiting/advertising allowed in Balder and Osiris?

I imagine so since they're the same as Lazarus....enjoy the ads

I like the idea of the temporary bans, its not as if it'd be used much anyway.

[The Face Dancers]

Hhhm if banned nations don't conflict with the banlist when they enter via refounding... I foresee some weird type of raid.

I thought WA status vanishes after a CTE? Am I wrong about that?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Just curious here, but what would happen if a nation was banned from all three sinkers, CTE'd, then was re-founded? Not going to say that'll happen, but I guess I'm just curious.

Also, doesn't CTEing remove you from all ban lists? I seem to remember bringing this up not too long ago.