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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:11 pm

CoraSpia wrote:Has the moderation team discussed these proposals?

The moderation team doesn't change game code. Any change in the nation name release has to come from [violet].

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Postby Glimerusa » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:55 pm

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Luna Amore wrote:Nations with over 500 million population can’t be reused.

There are two threads regarding changing that at the moment. Has the moderation team discussed these proposals?

I'm curious, what threads are these?

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Postby Grishahakkaverchynot » Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:20 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard?nation=pussy
Just wondering, even after the nation died to inactivity, is there still a way for a mod to flag that name and the Boneyard would say :
Disgraced: This name was soiled by a former nation (of significant size).
instead of:
Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size.
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Postby Luna Amore » Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:34 pm

Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard?nation=pussy
Just wondering, even after the nation died to inactivity, is there still a way for a mod to flag that name and the Boneyard would say :
Disgraced: This name was soiled by a former nation (of significant size).
instead of:
Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size.
?

Yes, but as it can’t be released, there’s no real incentive to dig through long dead names.

If it crops up, we’ll smack it.

...unless maybe it has adorable pictures of cats as the flag.

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Postby Nikhilesh23 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:41 pm

Is there a possibility of releasing this nation name?
https://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard?nation=ymir
since its population barely passes the population requirement and it has been more than 15 years.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:14 pm

Nikhilesh23 wrote:Is there a possibility of releasing this nation name?

[violet] wrote:To anticipate a couple of questions:

Q: "I really, really want this one name. Can't you make a special exemption and let me have it?"
A: No.

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Postby CoraSpia » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:57 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Has the moderation team discussed these proposals?

The moderation team doesn't change game code. Any change in the nation name release has to come from [violet].

Sorry, not been monitoring this thread closely:

Has this been raised to [Violet]'s attention? The 5-year limit is a good one and should stay, but I think a case can certainly be made for introducing a population-based slider system.
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Postby Brilliantly » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:45 am

IMAO fives years is so long imagine you can only claim a nation name when it was created in 2016 March 16 and before. Also because when nationstates was just created most players took the best and beautiful names so when they cease to exist and the name becames available, most existing nations would fight to make a puppet. We should enable a option where the owner says that the name can be reused in lesser periods or what the owner says so for example you made the nation A and you messed up but still want the name you can enable that.
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Postby Comfed » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:49 am

Brilliantly wrote:IMAO fives years is so long imagine you can only claim a nation name when it was created in 2016 March 16 and before. Also because when nationstates was just created most players took the best and beautiful names so when they cease to exist and the name becames available, most existing nations would fight to make a puppet. We should enable a option where the owner says that the name can be reused in lesser periods or what the owner says so for example you made the nation A and you messed up but still want the name you can enable that.

But, five years is there because the player who had the small nation could come back. It’s happened often.
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Postby Brilliantly » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:03 am

Yes but the feature would be good. Let me tell you that some trolls on purposely take the best Names and rarely do anything and wait til the last second to relieve their nations to keep the good community annoyed.
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Postby Corinthina » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:11 am

CoraSpia wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:The moderation team doesn't change game code. Any change in the nation name release has to come from [violet].

Sorry, not been monitoring this thread closely:

Has this been raised to [Violet]'s attention? The 5-year limit is a good one and should stay, but I think a case can certainly be made for introducing a population-based slider system.


Requests to have nation name releases extended out to other names has apparently been brought up by the mod team to the admin team.

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Corinthina wrote:What would it take to get a request to a 750m population limit

We've suggested it. It hasn't been acted on. There are other priorities for limited admin time at the moment.


This was a response I got saying as much.

I keep monitoring this thread every once in a while with the hope this might get addressed at some point, but honestly, I'm not holding my breath to be honest... :( I've been eyeing up a nation that CTEd almost 16 years ago now with a population size of around 600 million. I really don't think the original owner is coming back any time soon, but I don't expect/want special treatment or anything. It would be awesome if the admin team could extend the nation name policy out to more names, but if they have limited time/people/resources, then they gotta do what they gotta do I suppose.

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Postby Parhe » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:59 pm

Brilliantly wrote:IMAO fives years is so long imagine you can only claim a nation name when it was created in 2016 March 16 and before. Also because when nationstates was just created most players took the best and beautiful names so when they cease to exist and the name becames available, most existing nations would fight to make a puppet. We should enable a option where the owner says that the name can be reused in lesser periods or what the owner says so for example you made the nation A and you messed up but still want the name you can enable that.

This was mentioned before. I think it would be a great idea, though I don't know how difficult it would be.
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Postby Brilliantly » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:05 am

Parhe wrote:
Brilliantly wrote:IMAO fives years is so long imagine you can only claim a nation name when it was created in 2016 March 16 and before. Also because when nationstates was just created most players took the best and beautiful names so when they cease to exist and the name becames available, most existing nations would fight to make a puppet. We should enable a option where the owner says that the name can be reused in lesser periods or what the owner says so for example you made the nation A and you messed up but still want the name you can enable that.

This was mentioned before. I think it would be a great idea, though I don't know how difficult it would be.


Yes because I messed up my nation’s policies, like installed “ stupid “ policies that I never meant to do. I changed it password and removed email, to hope it ceases to exist and I can re-start the nation 5 years later, but That is a very very long time. Maybe users enable option that when the second the nation ceases to exist, someone can immediately claim the name in boneyard and use it. I really want my name back, from myself ( LOL ).
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:55 am

Brilliantly wrote:
Parhe wrote:This was mentioned before. I think it would be a great idea, though I don't know how difficult it would be.


Yes because I messed up my nation’s policies, like installed “ stupid “ policies that I never meant to do. I changed it password and removed email, to hope it ceases to exist and I can re-start the nation 5 years later, but That is a very very long time. Maybe users enable option that when the second the nation ceases to exist, someone can immediately claim the name in boneyard and use it. I really want my name back, from myself ( LOL ).

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Postby Caleonia » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:08 am

I was about to say something on my own regard but then I realized that not only would I be changing my name (which is not possible), but the name I wanted has already existed before with a population of 1.117 billion.

They haven’t been active in almost 11 years though, so yes, I would be a proponent of the time to population slider becoming a thing. It may just be me being tired of seeing the “ia” at the end of my country’s name when I always refer to it without.
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Postby Brilliantly » Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:20 pm

Caleonia wrote:I was about to say something on my own regard but then I realized that not only would I be changing my name (which is not possible), but the name I wanted has already existed before with a population of 1.117 billion.

They haven’t been active in almost 11 years though, so yes, I would be a proponent of the time to population slider becoming a thing. It may just be me being tired of seeing the “ia” at the end of my country’s name when I always refer to it without.


Yes I feel the pain.
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Postby Free Domelec Gorjicartlan island » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:41 pm

oh no looks like if my nation ceased to exist, well... the bad things happen :(

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Postby Bunkaiia » Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:45 am

It's been over 18 years since a country with less than 1 billion went quiet. When will its name be available again?
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Bunkaiia wrote:It's been over 18 years since a country with less than 1 billion went quiet. When will its name be available again?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:26 pm

Bunkaiia wrote: When will its name be available again?

It will become available again when the site admins decide to change the rules and open up the rate a little more. We have no idea if or when that will happen, so don't bother pressing for a date.

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Postby Brilliantly » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:49 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Brilliantly wrote:
Yes because I messed up my nation’s policies, like installed “ stupid “ policies that I never meant to do. I changed it password and removed email, to hope it ceases to exist and I can re-start the nation 5 years later, but That is a very very long time. Maybe users enable option that when the second the nation ceases to exist, someone can immediately claim the name in boneyard and use it. I really want my name back, from myself ( LOL ).

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Defiantly. Your defiantly smarter then when I started playing this game where I thought the possibilities where limited. Also I didn’t know what regions were ( instant regret know ). I Telegrammed a mod to see if I can get my nation back because I used the “ self deletion “ trick and instant regretting now. Hopefully the name is chessqueen and you can free it up.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:57 am

During the transfer to Jolt in the summer of 2004, eleven Historical Resolutions by eleven different authors were deleted from the official record. One of these authors, Mercia, already has their name reserved for authoring HR#5 "DVD region removal;" another, Labrador, got DEATed in 2004; seven of the other nine authors (Thinkers, Padmez, Scrotalia, Herozerax, Cappadocia, Fortunado, and Forkissa) have reached the population threshold of 500 million and are thus reserved on those grounds.

This leaves us with two authors whose names would have been reserved on authorship (but not population) grounds had their Historical Resolutions not been purged. Conservative Economics authored "Resolution Restrictions" but CTEd about a week after its passage after only accruing 128 million inhabitants. Stormymilkshake, the author of "Passport harmonisation," CTEd in April 2004 with a population of 461 million.

Why, then, can the names of Conservative Economics and Stormymilkshake not at least be manually mod-retired (as Dyakovo, for instance, has) - given that their names would in normal circumstances be reserved due to being used "by a former nation that authored Historical World Assembly Resolutions?"

(UPDATE: I would like to thank The Langburn Islands and Honeydewistania respectively for their work in ensuring that these two nations can at least be theoretically reserved on population grounds in a few months time.)
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Postby Brilliantly » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:05 pm

Tinhampton wrote:During the transfer to Jolt in the summer of 2004, eleven Historical Resolutions by eleven different authors were deleted from the official record. One of these authors, Mercia, already has their name reserved for authoring HR#5 "DVD region removal;" another, Labrador, got DEATed in 2004; seven of the other nine authors (Thinkers, Padmez, Scrotalia, Herozerax, Cappadocia, Fortunado, and Forkissa) have reached the population threshold of 500 million and are thus reserved on those grounds.

This leaves us with two authors whose names would have been reserved on authorship (but not population) grounds had their Historical Resolutions not been purged. Conservative Economics authored "Resolution Restrictions" but CTEd about a week after its passage after only accruing 128 million inhabitants. Stormymilkshake, the author of "Passport harmonisation," CTEd in April 2004 with a population of 461 million.

Why, then, can the names of Conservative Economics and Stormymilkshake not at least be manually mod-retired (as Dyakovo, for instance, has) - given that their names would in normal circumstances be reserved due to being used "by a former nation that authored Historical World Assembly Resolutions?"

(UPDATE: I would like to thank The Langburn Islands and Honeydewistania respectively for their work in ensuring that these two nations can at least be theoretically reserved on population grounds in a few months time.)


I can say that this system is flawed at best because the situation with the self deleted nation of chessqueen and the recovering attempt of using puppet chessqueens has drawed my attention. Chessqueens ( aka. Chessqueen he was the founder ), told me that they denied his request due to ownership proof “ reasons “. I feel bad at least and his nation name is not recoverable by a future nation “ mentioned in regional note “ and he is not able to get the nation back neither. This system should be loosened and the case of that should be solved in more of the real chessqueens owner. Also Tim explained an interesting historical happening as these names, despite two that were deleted for rule violations were not available for use after so long. This just to show that the naming system is basically reserving names of nations that owners never came back on their nations. Also when good and common names become more scarce unless something is done, people can start name sniping and name farming. They basically farm the population to 500 million in about few months and intentionally go inactive to harass people who want the names more then the careless farmers. Please fix the system.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:22 pm

Brilliantly wrote: the self deleted nation of chessqueen

You deliberately destroyed Chessqueen in a manner to make it unrecoverable, and then you changed your mind.

Brilliantly wrote: Please fix the system.

There's nothing wrong with the system. You made the choice to make your nation unrecoverable when all you actually needed to do was stop logging on. We're not going to fix something that isn't broken on our end.

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Postby Brilliantly » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:04 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Brilliantly wrote: the self deleted nation of chessqueen

You deliberately destroyed Chessqueen in a manner to make it unrecoverable, and then you changed your mind.

Brilliantly wrote: Please fix the system.

There's nothing wrong with the system. You made the choice to make your nation unrecoverable when all you actually needed to do was stop logging on. We're not going to fix something that isn't broken on our end.

Thanks, I not arguing now because their is No point with an mod here. More likely warned with spamming and flaming if I keep doing so.
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