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Postby Sysillia » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:49 pm

Aikoland wrote:
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yes it would so I'm stopping this topic, by the way, i have a question, if mods delete a nation, why cant they be restored...?
like just why???

here is an idea:

moderators can delete a nation but it can be restored, but when the nation is restored all progress is lost and the newly restored nation starts with 5 million citizens and is spawned in the feeders. this could particulary apply to deletion of nations and i think this could lower abuse and it also applies to name usage as deletion does the same thing too! :)

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I mean, the mods can restore nations, I've seen it happen a couple times in my nearly 12 years on this hellsite (on my main, before anyone goes 'but you joined in 2011'). It's very rare because deletion typically only happens after a nation gets multiple warnings, temp bans, etc and they've still shown no signs of being willing to follow the site rules, so it's not all too often that someone successfully gets their nation restored, it's usually only in cases of moderator mistakes (one case I know of was how, last year, the nation Gigaverse got deleted when the mods puppetswept all the accounts of the user Asigna because that user did have access to that account in the past, but their account was restored, presumably when the mods checked that Asigna's IPs hadn't accessed that account in years and therefore wasn't part of their current crop of alt-accounts)

Now as to why they won't do what you're saying: releasing deleted nation names and let people start all over with them. Well, the simple reason why is because nation deletion is a punishment, the nation name has been soiled and won't be released because that would kind of defeat the purpose. (Especially so because tons of nations that get deleted are just trolls who think it'd be funny to name their account something to do with genitalia, or swearing, or racial slurs, etc. What would the point in letting names like 'Fuk the Mods' back into the game?)


well you do have a point there, and i joined this game on NOVEMBER 13! and i started playing on NOVEMBER 14, both in 2019 (Not 2011). by the way, i think i saw a mod deleting a nation for just no reason, its name was...uhh... something with J but it got deleted and it was a mistake but the mod who deleted J did not even restore the nation after they did that mistake...

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Postby Luna Amore » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:50 pm

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Not sure what either of you are saying, but it doesn't seem to be related to this thread's topic (re-use of nation names after nations are CTE for some period) in any way.

Also, imposing arbitrary limits on nations leaving regions would not only hamper nations' ability to choose a region they want to be in (most people don't want to stay in the feeders), but also make R/D gameplay pretty much impossible.


yes it would so I'm stopping this topic, by the way, i have a question, if mods delete a nation, why cant they be restored...?
like just why???

here is an idea:

moderators can delete a nation but it can be restored, but when the nation is restored all progress is lost and the newly restored nation starts with 5 million citizens and is spawned in the feeders. this could particulary apply to deletion of nations and i think this could lower abuse and it also applies to name usage as deletion does the same thing too! :)

also im thanking Tech support for support, check out their region!

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Nations deleted for rule breaking are not able to be refounded, allowing that would defeat the purpose of deletion as punishment.

As a side note, none of this is the topic of the thread. Nor is your puppet's region. Using multiple nations to chat with yourself and advertise your region is 100% spam so knock it off.

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Postby Wymondham » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:54 am

Are there any plans to increase the population required before a nation name becomes permanently reserved, to say, 750 million and/or decrease the time before a non-reserved nation name is able to be reused?
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Postby Corinthina » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:30 am

Wymondham wrote:Are there any plans to increase the population required before a nation name becomes permanently reserved, to say, 750 million and/or decrease the time before a non-reserved nation name is able to be reused?


This is exactly what I have been calling for, for years... It just seems like our cry is being left unanswered at this point. :(

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Postby Sysillia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:55 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Sysillia wrote:
yes it would so I'm stopping this topic, by the way, i have a question, if mods delete a nation, why cant they be restored...?
like just why???

here is an idea:

moderators can delete a nation but it can be restored, but when the nation is restored all progress is lost and the newly restored nation starts with 5 million citizens and is spawned in the feeders. this could particulary apply to deletion of nations and i think this could lower abuse and it also applies to name usage as deletion does the same thing too! :)

also im thanking Tech support for support, check out their region!

Region; Tech Support URL

[[[this is my first time on FORUM so i have totaly no idea what im doing]]]

Nations deleted for rule breaking are not able to be refounded, allowing that would defeat the purpose of deletion as punishment.

As a side note, none of this is the topic of the thread. Nor is your puppet's region. Using multiple nations to chat with yourself and advertise your region is 100% spam so knock it off.


ok, im thinking the time a ceased to exist non reserved nation should be available in 1 year and what if reservation numbers just goes up to 750 million or 1 billion. that can help in increasing the nations up to 350,000 at most and 230,000 at least. but it's worth it, trust me.
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Postby Soleanna » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 am

7 years and still no change, an update in the ruleset is long overdue.
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Postby Flanderlion » Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:37 pm

I don't think this should be a priority. At some distant point the reuse policy should be updated:

Instead of 5 years under X population, it should be 5 + number of billion population years. So if I have a 1 billion pop nation that CTEs, someone can refound it 6 years later, but if I had a 20 billion pop nation it should be 25 years later. Essentially it's approximately 5 years + double the time the nation has been alive.
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Postby Ghost Land » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:35 am

Flanderlion wrote:I don't think this should be a priority. At some distant point the reuse policy should be updated:

Instead of 5 years under X population, it should be 5 + number of billion population years. So if I have a 1 billion pop nation that CTEs, someone can refound it 6 years later, but if I had a 20 billion pop nation it should be 25 years later. Essentially it's approximately 5 years + double the time the nation has been alive.

The problem is that the larger of a nation we're talking about, the more time the player invested in the game, and the more likely he or she is to come back. People have revived their nations after well over a decade of inactivity. I don't think someone who played the game for two and a half years, then got busy with real life/got drafted/etc. and wanted to come back/rediscovered the site after ten more years would be very happy to find that the nation he put so much time and energy into had its name stolen by someone else.
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There *needs* to be a change regarding old names.

Postby Hyakkaou » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:05 am

I hate to be that person, but this site desperately needs to change it’s policy regarding old nation names from the graveyard.

You probably know the message - “this name is reserved for a nation of significant size” and such. Issue is - sometimes it really isn’t significant in size, especially compared to some these days. Case and point, Caprica (as in, from BSG) - reserved from SEVEN YEARS AGO for a nation with less than 800 million. Volkoff and Costa Gravas, with between 2 billion and 200 million.

These nations are never going to come back to playing. And their names are permanently reserved in perpetuity. It’s *extremely* infuriating, and I can’t be the only one who has missed out on good names because of an ancient nation with a minuscule populace.

For the love of all that is holy, can this antiquated policy PLEASE be changed? Or at least reviewed?

Edit: Also, moving my post into an old thread with over 100 pages so it gets less attention? Not cool, very mature. This is a serious and annoying issue, and glossing over it isn’t terribly pleasant.
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Postby Ghost Land » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:15 am

Hyakkaou wrote:-snip-

As for why this post was moved into this thread, it's because this thread is distinctly about the name release program and its rules, so it was merged into the existing thread to keep all the discussion in one place.

Seven years isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. I've seen people with nations of similar or lesser size come back after more than a decade. I have old puppets from 2012 whose names could be reused, but I still remember the passwords and thus could revive the nations at any time; you can't rule that out about these older nations either.

I would support increasing the population limit to 750 million or 1 billion, but I'm not in support of reducing the five-year requirement for this very reason. We still have people who are rediscovering the site from like 2004 and reviving their old nations once in a while.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:44 am

Ghost Land wrote:
Hyakkaou wrote:-snip-

As for why this post was moved into this thread, it's because this thread is distinctly about the name release program and its rules, so it was merged into the existing thread to keep all the discussion in one place.

Seven years isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. I've seen people with nations of similar or lesser size come back after more than a decade. I have old puppets from 2012 whose names could be reused, but I still remember the passwords and thus could revive the nations at any time; you can't rule that out about these older nations either.

I would support increasing the population limit to 750 million or 1 billion, but I'm not in support of reducing the five-year requirement for this very reason. We still have people who are rediscovering the site from like 2004 and reviving their old nations once in a while.

There are the odd few that return, however, thousands do not. It is unfair to have a name reserved for 16 years in the off-chance someone who played for 3 months in 2004 returns.

An example would be Austro-Germania, reserved for >17 years because it had 770 million people (~ 200 days)
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Postby Riemstagrad » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:58 pm

many of those names, like the example you posted, austro-germany, would quickly be taken by puppet-hoarders and enlisted in an auto-login script.
It's nice to have them, but it doesn't really obstruct most people from creating their own unique nation-name.

I think many people who ask for more name-releases underestimate how many good names will be taken by puppet-collectors.
Real-life nations, capital and other big cities... pokemon, anime-characters, famous people, 2-character names... all will be refounded in less then a second after they are released.

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Postby Corinthina » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:06 am

Riemstagrad wrote:many of those names, like the example you posted, austro-germany, would quickly be taken by puppet-hoarders and enlisted in an auto-login script.
It's nice to have them, but it doesn't really obstruct most people from creating their own unique nation-name.

I think many people who ask for more name-releases underestimate how many good names will be taken by puppet-collectors.
Real-life nations, capital and other big cities... pokemon, anime-characters, famous people, 2-character names... all will be refounded in less then a second after they are released.


How do people get these nations so quickly upon release?

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Postby Ghost Land » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:09 am

Corinthina wrote:
Riemstagrad wrote:many of those names, like the example you posted, austro-germany, would quickly be taken by puppet-hoarders and enlisted in an auto-login script.
It's nice to have them, but it doesn't really obstruct most people from creating their own unique nation-name.

I think many people who ask for more name-releases underestimate how many good names will be taken by puppet-collectors.
Real-life nations, capital and other big cities... pokemon, anime-characters, famous people, 2-character names... all will be refounded in less then a second after they are released.


How do people get these nations so quickly upon release?

A lot of people, when the last two large-scale releases happened, were constantly checking when a name would be released and refreshing the page (20 minutes, 13 minutes, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute, available!) and then filling out the nation creation process form as quickly as possible so they would get the name. This often meant staying up until some weird hours just to claim the name of another puppet.
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Postby Corinthina » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:40 am

Ghost Land wrote:
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How do people get these nations so quickly upon release?

A lot of people, when the last two large-scale releases happened, were constantly checking when a name would be released and refreshing the page (20 minutes, 13 minutes, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute, available!) and then filling out the nation creation process form as quickly as possible so they would get the name. This often meant staying up until some weird hours just to claim the name of another puppet.


So just sniping one or two nation names they fancied? This is what I would intend to do with a particular name if they ever up the population count to 750m. I was wondering if some of the more clever amongst us would have figured out a script to automatically do it for them. That would be over my head.
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Corinthina wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:A lot of people, when the last two large-scale releases happened, were constantly checking when a name would be released and refreshing the page (20 minutes, 13 minutes, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute, available!) and then filling out the nation creation process form as quickly as possible so they would get the name. This often meant staying up until some weird hours just to claim the name of another puppet.


So just sniping one or two nation names they fancied? This is what I would intend to do with a particular name if they ever up the population count to 750m. I was wondering if some of the more clever amongst us would have figured out a script to automatically do it for them. That would be over my head.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:42 am

It seems that GA and SC authors under 500 million don't get reserved - Temple of the Maat, Forensatha and Justice4Islam (authors of GA#287, GA#22 and SC#25) all appear to have either been refounded or eligible for refound. The reincarnations don't have badges, so I don't know if allowing them for reuse was intentional or not.
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Postby Luna Amore » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:51 am

Honeydewistania wrote:It seems that GA and SC authors under 500 million don't get reserved - Temple of the Maat, Forensatha and Justice4Islam (authors of GA#287, GA#22 and SC#25) all appear to have either been refounded or eligible for refound. The reincarnations don't have badges, so I don't know if allowing them for reuse was intentional or not.

Strange, I'll raise it with the admins.

It works for Issues Authors under the limit.
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Luna Amore wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:It seems that GA and SC authors under 500 million don't get reserved - Temple of the Maat, Forensatha and Justice4Islam (authors of GA#287, GA#22 and SC#25) all appear to have either been refounded or eligible for refound. The reincarnations don't have badges, so I don't know if allowing them for reuse was intentional or not.

Strange, I'll raise it with the admins.

It works for Issues Authors under the limit.

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Postby Ghost Land » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:55 am

Corinthina wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:A lot of people, when the last two large-scale releases happened, were constantly checking when a name would be released and refreshing the page (20 minutes, 13 minutes, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 3 minutes, 1 minute, available!) and then filling out the nation creation process form as quickly as possible so they would get the name. This often meant staying up until some weird hours just to claim the name of another puppet.


So just sniping one or two nation names they fancied? This is what I would intend to do with a particular name if they ever up the population count to 750m. I was wondering if some of the more clever amongst us would have figured out a script to automatically do it for them. That would be over my head.

Some people were pretty much hoarding names to the point of collecting hundreds or thousands, just sitting there in puppet storage regions as though trophies. This is especially true with, as mentioned, real-world names, two-letter names, and names of notable people and fictional characters.
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Postby Corinthina » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:46 pm

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So just sniping one or two nation names they fancied? This is what I would intend to do with a particular name if they ever up the population count to 750m. I was wondering if some of the more clever amongst us would have figured out a script to automatically do it for them. That would be over my head.

Some people were pretty much hoarding names to the point of collecting hundreds or thousands, just sitting there in puppet storage regions as though trophies. This is especially true with, as mentioned, real-world names, two-letter names, and names of notable people and fictional characters.


Well, I can understand wanting to have 1 or 2 nations owned by one person, but hoarding them so others can't use them is unfair for sure. This only fuels my desire to see more nation names released though so people are able to have access to more names. If I got the name I wanted, I would very likely let this nation CTE and just focus on that new one.

I see mods come in here pretty instantly when issues are reported and they send those issues up the chain, which is great! What would it take to get a request to a 750m population limit on ex-nations passed on for admin consideration? It's only been suggested over and over again for the past few years.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:01 am

Corinthina wrote:What would it take to get a request to a 750m population limit

We've suggested it. It hasn't been acted on. There are other priorities for limited admin time at the moment.

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Postby Corinthina » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:05 pm

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Corinthina wrote:What would it take to get a request to a 750m population limit

We've suggested it. It hasn't been acted on. There are other priorities for limited admin time at the moment.


Okay, thanks for the update. Hopefully something that can be looked at in the near future. :)

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Postby Nooooooooooooooo » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:23 pm

I think 750 million would be a better choice for reserving, because if you have 500 million, someone could just create like 500 puppets and then have them logged into for just long enough that they cte right after 500m. It would still be possible with 750 million, but it would be harder to do.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:45 pm

Nooooooooooooooo wrote:I think 750 million would be a better choice for reserving, because if you have 500 million, someone could just create like 500 puppets and then have them logged into for just long enough that they cte right after 500m. It would still be possible with 750 billion, but it would be harder to do.

It would certainly be harder to reserve a nation at 750 billion :p

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