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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:02 am

Scottish Socialists wrote:
Laneige wrote:Could we make available disgraced nations thou? There are a lot of "RL" nations being taken up by someone sometime ago and for some reason, all those "RL" nations ended up disgraced/soiled. Any chance that those names can be used again?

Yeah, there’s a nation called “Ireland” that was created and soiled on the same day.
There should be some soiled names to be released.

But then, how to ensure that it isn't the player who soiled it before that founds the new version?
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Postby Aclion » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:34 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Scottish Socialists wrote:Yeah, there’s a nation called “Ireland” that was created and soiled on the same day.
There should be some soiled names to be released.

But then, how to ensure that it isn't the player who soiled it before that founds the new version?

Treat it as ban evasion? Mod has tools to detect DoS players after all.
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Postby Ironspire » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:37 am

Is there any specific policy on using nation names that are in issues? I'm asking this as one of my puppets is Marche Noire.

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Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica
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Postby Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:16 pm

What does this apply to me?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:What does this apply to me?

It probably doesn't, unless you try to create a nation that's reserved. Judging by what I've seen of your puppets, that's not a factor.

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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:11 am

Ironspire wrote:Is there any specific policy on using nation names that are in issues? I'm asking this as one of my puppets is Marche Noire.


I don't see a problem with it.
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Postby Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:55 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:What does this apply to me?

It probably doesn't, unless you try to create a nation that's reserved. Judging by what I've seen of your puppets, that's not a factor.

Alright. OK. By the way why do nations get marked as reserved? Why do game mods block the reuse of some nations?

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:46 pm

Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:It probably doesn't, unless you try to create a nation that's reserved. Judging by what I've seen of your puppets, that's not a factor.

Alright. OK. By the way why do nations get marked as reserved? Why do game mods block the reuse of some nations?


I can't think of any names that we've manually marked as reserved.

Large nations or nations that have contributed to the site (e.g. issues authors, etc.) get their names reserved automatically so that other people can't steal their reputation.

Mod-deleted nations are reserved partly to make it more effective as a punishment -- since the owner can never get their old name back -- and partly to prevent obscene names from being reused.
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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:14 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:Alright. OK. By the way why do nations get marked as reserved? Why do game mods block the reuse of some nations?


I can't think of any names that we've manually marked as reserved.

Large nations or nations that have contributed to the site (e.g. issues authors, etc.) get their names reserved automatically so that other people can't steal their reputation.

Mod-deleted nations are reserved partly to make it more effective as a punishment -- since the owner can never get their old name back -- and partly to prevent obscene names from being reused.

So you not only take away their account but also their name... And you make it so no players can use names of mod punished players? That's a fitting punishment I guess.... Also I now understand that some nations that contributed to the site in any way (Author, Issues, all moderators etc) get reserved so nobody can steel their reputation in the feature..... Also I know that nations with over 5 billion citizens get marked as a reserved as well! But I still see nations listed under "Retired" that had been used by site supporters and some people who passed away (Like Zooke and Dyakovo)
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Postby Gandoor » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:Also I know that nations with over 5 billion citizens get marked as a reserved as well!

The population you have to hit before your nation is reserved is 500 million, not 5 billion.
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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:33 pm

Gandoor wrote:
Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:Also I know that nations with over 5 billion citizens get marked as a reserved as well!

The population you have to hit before your nation is reserved is 500 million, not 5 billion.

But I thought you start out with 5 million when you create your nation.

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Postby Fauxia » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:09 pm

Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:
Gandoor wrote:The population you have to hit before your nation is reserved is 500 million, not 5 billion.

But I thought you start out with 5 million when you create your nation.

Yeah so what?

Founded: Five Million
Reserved: 500 million.

Takes like 3.5 months
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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:01 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:But I thought you start out with 5 million when you create your nation.

Yeah so what?

Founded: Five Million
Reserved: 500 million.

Takes like 3.5 months

Ah OK.... So if one of my nations cease to exist at 500 million or more it would get marked as reserved?

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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:06 pm

R.I.P Violet. Antiquity-December 17 2008

You were a good site administrator


Retired:This name has been Retired


I C-cannot believe that the admin ceased to exist 9 years ago. (Will be 10) What was your favorite moment with violet?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:26 pm

I don't know where you got the 2008 bit. Last activity: 15 years 218 days ago. And incidentally, that nation never belonged to our site administrator. It was an impersonator.

"Violet" is not the same as [violet]. Our site administrator [violet] has never had a nation by that name. The [brackets] make that impossible, as brackets are forbidden characters in nation names. She's alive and well ... and if she has any other nations, she keeps them hidden. Apart from Testlandia, that is; and that nation is occasionally shared with others for testing purposes.

Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:What was your favorite moment with violet?

That's not what this thread is for.

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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:35 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:I don't know where you got the 2008 bit. Last activity: 15 years 218 days ago. And incidentally, that nation never belonged to our site administrator. It was an impersonator.

"Violet" is not the same as [violet]. Our site administrator [violet] has never had a nation by that name. The [brackets] make that impossible, as brackets are forbidden characters in nation names. She's alive and well ... and if she has any other nations, she keeps them hidden. Apart from Testlandia, that is; and that nation is occasionally shared with others for testing purposes.

Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:What was your favorite moment with violet?

That's not what this thread is for.

I know. I just said that cause I thought her nation ceased to exist on the pacific date of December 17, 2008 at 4:23 am. Due to inactivity :roll: but otherwise I didn't know impersonators to mods or Admins were illegal here!

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:03 pm

Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:I thought her nation ceased to exist on the pacific date of December 17, 2008 at 4:23 am.

The Boneyard date is 1/21/2003, 1:44:58 PM EST. I still have no idea where you came up with the 2008 date.

Let's move on, please.

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Postby Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:18 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:I thought her nation ceased to exist on the pacific date of December 17, 2008 at 4:23 am.

The Boneyard date is 1/21/2003, 1:44:58 PM EST. I still have no idea where you came up with the 2008 date.

Let's move on, please.

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Postby Peanutsland » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:24 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Juuua Cuncieasu Republica Africa wrote:I thought her nation ceased to exist on the pacific date of December 17, 2008 at 4:23 am.

The Boneyard date is 1/21/2003, 1:44:58 PM EST. I still have no idea where you came up with the 2008 date.

Let's move on, please.

I can confirm 21 Jan 2003 on my end as well, although I do have one question regarding that: if this "Violet" nation was just an impersonator and not in relation to the [violet] we all know, how come it's referred to as being "used by a former moderator"? Was this manually put in later on, or is there some other weird bit of NS history I don't know about?

And pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does having a forum account but no nation work? What would happen if [violet] were to go to nationstates.net and type in her username and password?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:59 am

Peanutsland wrote:Was this manually put in later on

That nation was created before a lot of our current tools existed. I suspect that yes, we added the "former mod" tag shortly after this thread was created.

Peanutsland wrote:And pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does having a forum account but no nation work?

In this instance, we're all ignorant. [violet] didn't want to get constantly slammed with telegrams, so she created [bracket accounts] for all the original admins (including [dredd] and one other I can't remember), and continued that each time we changed forums. [v] is the only one left, so nobody else knows how that login works.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:28 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Peanutsland wrote:Was this manually put in later on

That nation was created before a lot of our current tools existed. I suspect that yes, we added the "former mod" tag shortly after this thread was created.

Peanutsland wrote:And pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does having a forum account but no nation work?

In this instance, we're all ignorant. [violet] didn't want to get constantly slammed with telegrams, so she created [bracket accounts] for all the original admins (including [dredd] and one other I can't remember), and continued that each time we changed forums. [v] is the only one left, so nobody else knows how that login works.

You'd be thinking of [mantle]

Edit: Actually, just thought of something else. I'm pretty sure Reppy had a [bracket] account at one point, wonder if she might remember :?: (Not that I recommend anyone going off to bug Reppy)
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Postby Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:41 am

What is this thread about? I only joined recently on July 3rd with my main nation! However I do not know what this thread is for or what it is about?

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Postby Phydios » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:21 pm

Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:What is this thread about? I only joined recently on July 3rd with my main nation! However I do not know what this thread is for or what it is about?

This is just a thread describing the procedure for re-using the names of inactive nations. Information and discussion only. You certainly don't need to use it for anything or concern yourself with it.
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Postby Peanutsland » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:32 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Peanutsland wrote:Was this manually put in later on

That nation was created before a lot of our current tools existed. I suspect that yes, we added the "former mod" tag shortly after this thread was created.

Peanutsland wrote:And pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does having a forum account but no nation work?

In this instance, we're all ignorant. [violet] didn't want to get constantly slammed with telegrams, so she created [bracket accounts] for all the original admins (including [dredd] and one other I can't remember), and continued that each time we changed forums. [v] is the only one left, so nobody else knows how that login works.

That makes sense; thank you for the information!

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Frisbeeteria wrote:That nation was created before a lot of our current tools existed. I suspect that yes, we added the "former mod" tag shortly after this thread was created.


In this instance, we're all ignorant. [violet] didn't want to get constantly slammed with telegrams, so she created [bracket accounts] for all the original admins (including [dredd] and one other I can't remember), and continued that each time we changed forums. [v] is the only one left, so nobody else knows how that login works.

You'd be thinking of [mantle]

Edit: Actually, just thought of something else. I'm pretty sure Reppy had a [bracket] account at one point, wonder if she might remember :?: (Not that I recommend anyone going off to bug Reppy)

Yes, there was a [reploidproductions] account in the early days of Jolt, though the nation of Reploid Productions has also been around since antiquity (March 2003) and to my knowledge it has never ceased to exist.

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Postby Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:49 pm

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Phydios wrote:
Rejected Juuua Cuncieasu Republica wrote:What is this thread about? I only joined recently on July 3rd with my main nation! However I do not know what this thread is for or what it is about?

This is just a thread describing the procedure for re-using the names of inactive nations. Information and discussion only. You certainly don't need to use it for anything or concern yourself with it.

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