Nation name release!

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

So the obvious problem seems to be the fact that there are indeed those that comes back after 10+ years, and hence the tricky aspect of name release.

If they put their emails inside (like me, and many others), is it possible to seek permission from the nation owner, to ask if they are coming back?

For example, there's this nation named Tracer, that CTE'd 14 years ago:

Population: 910 million
Founded: 14 years 145 days ago
Last activity: 14 years 8 days ago

Given the lackluster activity after the founding date, is it safe to assume that they retire? Or just to be safe, an email like aformentioned to get permission to unlock the name?

One thing I wonder is this: If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Does that mean that the old nation is purged forever after the new nation took its place?

[The Sherpa Empire]

Emailing the original owner is not worth the hassle, especially since it would require someone to monitor an inbox for replies.

[Frisbeeteria]

is it possible to seek permission from the nation owner,

5+ million dead nations? Sorry, no.

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

is it possible to seek permission from the nation owner,

5+ million dead nations? Sorry, no.

Ahh, touche. 5 million is a lot of emails to deal with.

[Lord Dominator]

5+ million dead nations? Sorry, no.

Ahh, touche. 5 million is a lot of emails to deal with.

That's assuming they have emails

[Bears Armed]

One thing I wonder is this: If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Does that mean that the old nation is purged forever after the new nation took its place?

Presumably it means that once there have been [at least] two nations with a given name, the game simply couldn't tell which of those you were trying to revive, and so the password-recognition system would seize-up if you tried...

[Luna Amore]

One thing I wonder is this: If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Does that mean that the old nation is purged forever after the new nation took its place?

The older nation is switched to ancient status once it has been reused and can never be resurrected. As soon as a nation is reused, any previous claim is gone forever. A small record of the original owner(s) is kept for boneyard purposes though.

[He Qixin]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

So I messed around with the Boneyard a bit more, and I am also surprised that RL names of countries such as Norway, Botswana and Tunisia are actually, at the time this post was made, in use!

[Devi Vytherin]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

So I messed around with the Boneyard a bit more, and I am also surprised that RL names of countries such as Norway, Botswana and Tunisia are actually, at the time this post was made, in use!

Calling the second of those 'in use' is a stretch, at the very least- its owner is notorious for hoarding names and letting them sit in his region ad infinitum, kept alive by a login script.

[Lenlyvit]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

So I messed around with the Boneyard a bit more, and I am also surprised that RL names of countries such as Norway, Botswana and Tunisia are actually, at the time this post was made, in use!

Calling the second of those 'in use' is a stretch, at the very least- its owner is notorious for hoarding names and letting them sit in his region ad infinitum, kept alive by a login script.

Parhe is a bane on nation names.......

[USS Monitor]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

Not sure what's surprising about that. It doesn't seem to me like it would be a terribly desirable name.

[Parhe]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

So I messed around with the Boneyard a bit more, and I am also surprised that RL names of countries such as Norway, Botswana and Tunisia are actually, at the time this post was made, in use!

Calling the second of those 'in use' is a stretch, at the very least- its owner is notorious for hoarding names and letting them sit in his region ad infinitum, kept alive by a login script.

Better than letting them die. At least players have the chance of using or borrowing living puppets. Sone people let names die which lead to others having to wait at least five years, at best, or having absolutely no chance of using them at all, at worst.

[He Qixin]

I find it surprising that the name "Enthusiastic" is available for use right now, and what's even more bizarre is that that name was never used in the entirety of the history of NS.

Not sure what's surprising about that. It doesn't seem to me like it would be a terribly desirable name.

It's an actual english word

[USS Monitor]

Not sure what's surprising about that. It doesn't seem to me like it would be a terribly desirable name.

It's an actual english word

It's an adjective.

[Paradisal Paradise]

It's an actual english word

It's an adjective.

Exactly. A better one to use would be 'enthusiasm'.

[He Qixin]

It's an adjective.

Exactly. A better one to use would be 'enthusiasm'.

it's still cool anyway

[Erithaca]

If a nation name is reserved, can I use it for a region?

[Frisbeeteria]

If a nation name is reserved, can I use it for a region?

Subject to normal rules, yes. Deleted offensive nation names will still be offensive if used in region names. Using the name to impersonate someone who has left or been kicked out might still be subject to impersonation rules.

That said, if "Norway" or "Botswana" was a reserved nation name, sure, you could have a region of that name.

[He Qixin]

A question:

Your nation has less than 500 million people. You have authored a GA/SC Resolution, but that resolution passed after you ceased to exist. Will your name be reserved then?

[Luna Amore]

A question:

Your nation has less than 500 million people. You have authored a GA/SC Resolution, but that resolution passed after you ceased to exist. Will your name be reserved then?

It should, but I don't think it would do it automatically. The game doesn't modify CTE'd nations as far as I'm aware so it wouldn't add that flag after the passing. It doesn't do it for issues published post CTE anyway.

[Frisbeeteria]

Your nation has less than 500 million people. You have authored a GA/SC Resolution, but that resolution passed after you ceased to exist. Will your name be reserved then?

That's a dumb hypothetical. Proposals sit in queue for 3-4 days. Voting takes 3-4 days. Nations CTE in 28 days. You'd need something like six proposals in queue ahead of you, and even that assumes that you posted your proposal and never logged in again. Your proposal would likely never get Approved, much less voted in.

Let's not waste time trying to plan for 99.9999% unlikely events, 'k?

[He Qixin]

Your nation has less than 500 million people. You have authored a GA/SC Resolution, but that resolution passed after you ceased to exist. Will your name be reserved then?

That's a dumb hypothetical. Proposals sit in queue for 3-4 days. Voting takes 3-4 days. Nations CTE in 28 days. You'd need something like six proposals in queue ahead of you, and even that assumes that you posted your proposal and never logged in again. Your proposal would likely never get Approved, much less voted in.

Let's not waste time trying to plan for 99.9999% unlikely events, 'k?

Oh, come on. How is that dumb? I have heard of nations who CTE'd before their issues were accepted. Be a bit more nice please. I was just curious.

Talking about submitted issues, they take much, much longer to get accepted, and even that ranges from weeks to months, so it'd be extremely difficult to tell when your issue will be accepted, if it even be. CTE'ing after your issue is accepted therefore requires much more luck than submitting a GA/SC proposal, where you can actually calculate time, and the only luck involved is the approval and voting results. You also need some common sense here - extremely well-written proposals (assuming you have drafted in the GA/SC proposal for weeks to months to even years like most people would do) take only a matter of hours for them to achieve quorum, if you did a TG campaign. In fact, you don't even have to worry about your well-written proposal achieving quorum as six proposals are already in front of you, since the proposals in the proposal queue are arranged by when they are submitted, and that it is already likely to achieve quorum. Plus, votes are generally consistent, so a proposal with more 'For' votes than 'Against' votes would normally continue the same trend until the end of the 3+-day voting.

Let's not get off-topic further now.

[USS Monitor]

That's a dumb hypothetical. Proposals sit in queue for 3-4 days. Voting takes 3-4 days. Nations CTE in 28 days. You'd need something like six proposals in queue ahead of you, and even that assumes that you posted your proposal and never logged in again. Your proposal would likely never get Approved, much less voted in.

Let's not waste time trying to plan for 99.9999% unlikely events, 'k?

Oh, come on. How is that dumb? I have heard of nations who CTE'd before their issues were accepted. Be nice plz. I was just curious.

Issues take longer to get published.

[Lord Dominator]

You'd need something like six proposals in queue ahead of you, and even that assumes that you posted your proposal and never logged in again

If one had five proposals ahead (plus their's in queue), one at-vote with 13 hours left (1 full update/2 update beginnings), and ran a tg campaign to do so, one could theoretically do so. That being the minimum required. So yeah, very not tenable outside of extraordinary circumstances. Even right now, when the SC has had continuous voting for the last couple months, there's never been more than 4 things in queue at a time. (Fris being quoted here simply because my point is my need for exactness builds off of their's )

[He Qixin]

If one had five proposals ahead (plus their's in queue), one at-vote with 13 hours left (1 full update/2 update beginnings), and ran a tg campaign to do so, one could theoretically do so. That being the minimum required. So yeah, very not tenable outside of extraordinary circumstances. Even right now, when the SC has had continuous voting for the last couple months, there's never been more than 4 things in queue at a time. (Fris being quoted here simply because my point is my need for exactness builds off of their's )

Interesting stuff!

Yeah, I know. But's let not get off-topic further.