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Etriel
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Founded: Aug 19, 2011
Ex-Nation

Return Of The Owners

Postby Etriel » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I started a nation a long time ago (when I was 7), and would like to use it for a new nation, but the old nation was too large. Could they add a procedure for one to reclaim an old nation name of theirs, even if it didn't meet the criteria?
Pretty please?

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Shanix
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Postby Shanix » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:01 pm

Etriel wrote:I started a nation a long time ago (when I was 7), and would like to use it for a new nation, but the old nation was too large. Could they add a procedure for one to reclaim an old nation name of theirs, even if it didn't meet the criteria?
Pretty please?

[violet] is actually planning on that.
She's saying that if this goes well, you can try to log onto your old nation, and it'll be restored.
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Sedgistan
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Anarchy

Postby Sedgistan » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:04 pm

Etriel wrote:I started a nation a long time ago (when I was 7), and would like to use it for a new nation, but the old nation was too large. Could they add a procedure for one to reclaim an old nation name of theirs, even if it didn't meet the criteria?
Pretty please?

What happened to the old nation? Did you forget the password, was it mod deleted? Also, how long ago did you found it?
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Postby -The West Coast- » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:06 pm

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Yes, young grasshopper, one cannot inherit antiquity, one must be there for it.

Well, I inherited antiquity. P:
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Roxie Hart
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Ex-Nation

Postby Roxie Hart » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:05 pm

Just a heads-up for you guys…

Deleted nation Adolf Hitler
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Sun Dec 22 2002
Population: 32 million

Available Soon! This name was used by a former nation, but will become available for re-use in in 14 days.


Might want to do something about that one.

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TheRussianFederation
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Postby TheRussianFederation » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:08 pm

I haven't read everything said so don't yell at me if this has been requested and rejected....FURTHERMORE I understand that this is probably an unfeasible request, BUT why I really like this new idea I wonder if there's anyway that some of us older nations that have been with the game for literally years could have the ability to simply change our current nation's names to the ones that would come available with this rule?

Cause while I'd love to have some of the names that would become available, I don't want to have to start from day one again. Just curious if such a thing could ever be feasible?

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Augustus Este
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Ex-Nation

Postby Augustus Este » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:21 pm

Roxie Hart wrote:Just a heads-up for you guys…

Deleted nation Adolf Hitler
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Sun Dec 22 2002
Population: 32 million

Available Soon! This name was used by a former nation, but will become available for re-use in in 14 days.


Might want to do something about that one.


Do we really need to open the can of worms that is censoring names related to political extremes?
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[violet]
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Postby [violet] » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:25 pm

TheRussianFederation wrote:I haven't read everything said so don't yell at me if this has been requested and rejected....FURTHERMORE I understand that this is probably an unfeasible request, BUT why I really like this new idea I wonder if there's anyway that some of us older nations that have been with the game for literally years could have the ability to simply change our current nation's names to the ones that would come available with this rule?

Cause while I'd love to have some of the names that would become available, I don't want to have to start from day one again. Just curious if such a thing could ever be feasible?

It's not feasible with our current codebase, which uses nation names as a unique identifier. Basically, if we change your nation's name, the game will think it's a new nation, and all existing links to it (e.g. sent telegrams, dossiers, endorsements, Delegate/Founder status, and many more) will break.

This is a separate issue to the name release, so if people are interested in discussing it further, please shift it to a new thread (or revive an old one).

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The US of Europe
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Postby The US of Europe » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:01 pm

Deletednation GermanyFounded: Mon Jan 24 2005Last activity: Thu Jun 26 2008Population: 7.443 billion
Ancientnation GermanyFounded: AntiquityLast activity: Wed Nov 27 2002Population: 14 millionReserved:
This name was used by a former nation of significant size.

Is this an error or has Germany been made twice?
sorry if this post is messy, computer is broke so i have to use the PS3.

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Shanix
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Postby Shanix » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:07 pm

The US of Europe wrote:
Deletednation GermanyFounded: Mon Jan 24 2005Last activity: Thu Jun 26 2008Population: 7.443 billion
Ancientnation GermanyFounded: AntiquityLast activity: Wed Nov 27 2002Population: 14 millionReserved:
This name was used by a former nation of significant size.

Is this an error or has Germany been made twice?
sorry if this post is messy, computer is broke so i have to use the PS3.

That is quite the...queer situation, for lack of a better phrase, you have there. Two Germanys?
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Oceanic Vakiadia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Oceanic Vakiadia » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:15 pm

* Deleted nation Equestria
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Mon Mar 17 2003
Population: 266 million

Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size.

:(
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Olthar
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Ex-Nation

Postby Olthar » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:17 pm

Oceanic Vakiadia wrote:
* Deleted nation Equestria
Founded: Antiquity
Last activity: Mon Mar 17 2003
Population: 266 million

Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size.

:(

Hey, don't worry. Eventually, the population limit will be raised, and then I you can claim Equestira.
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Omigodtheykilledkenny
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:25 pm

[violet] wrote:Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active

Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but does this mean that if a nation has ceased, it cannot be reclaimed if its former owner continues to operate other NS nations, even if the Boneyard nation meets all other minimum qualifications?
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[violet]
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Postby [violet] » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:43 pm

The US of Europe wrote:
Deletednation GermanyFounded: Mon Jan 24 2005Last activity: Thu Jun 26 2008Population: 7.443 billion
Ancientnation GermanyFounded: AntiquityLast activity: Wed Nov 27 2002Population: 14 millionReserved:
This name was used by a former nation of significant size.

Is this an error or has Germany been made twice?
sorry if this post is messy, computer is broke so i have to use the PS3.

I think we already covered this earlier in the thread, but there was a nation name release back in 2005 or so, which got turned off again after we ran into some problems integrating with the old Jolt forums.

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[violet]
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Founded: Antiquity

Postby [violet] » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:44 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
[violet] wrote:Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active

Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but does this mean that if a nation has ceased, it cannot be reclaimed if its former owner continues to operate other NS nations, even if the Boneyard nation meets all other minimum qualifications?

"Owner" in this context means "nation", not "player."

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Third Mexican Empire
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Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Third Mexican Empire » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:15 pm

Dear Lord All Mighty!

After almost three years and countless threads, the day has arrived!

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Yandereland
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Founded: Mar 08, 2011
Ex-Nation

Nation name release!

Postby Yandereland » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:22 pm

'We wanted to do it for best, but it turned to be as always'. (c)

In fact there is no need for such re-use, while you have a bit of creativity. I got my nation from second attempt (at first attempt I got existing nation warning, true). And this actually donws one of main ideas - that you can return _always_. So - I disagree.

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LadyRebels
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Ex-Nation

Postby LadyRebels » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:49 pm

I may have missed this question being asked in the past 8 pages.......but...please forgive ahead of time if I did.

Is there anyway to put in request for nations that have CTE'd because their 'owners' have passed on?
or honored for other great feats in the game?

I know of three I would really like to honor.....

The Matt- Duck, he was a great player back in '04 and an all around nice guy.
Francos Spain, because he was just so cool and the NPO still honors his memory to this day.
Goddessness, because at one point in time she did have over 700 endorsements in TSP, before that bug hit and wiped her clean.
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Ballotonia
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Postby Ballotonia » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:13 am

The best way to honor those players would be to NOT have their names reused by someone else.

And right now, that won't happen.

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LadyRebels
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Postby LadyRebels » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:17 am

Ballotonia wrote:The best way to honor those players would be to NOT have their names reused by someone else.

And right now, that won't happen.

Ballotonia


sort of where I was going with that, sorry about not making myself clear enough, thank you Ballotonia :)
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Ballotonia
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Postby Ballotonia » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:29 am

Ok, thanks for clarifying LR.

LadyRebels wrote:The Matt- Duck, he was a great player back in '04 and an all around nice guy.
Francos Spain, because he was just so cool and the NPO still honors his memory to this day.
Goddessness, because at one point in time she did have over 700 endorsements in TSP, before that bug hit and wiped her clean.


Current proposed rules would not allow those names being reused.
The Matt- Duck: population of 1.36 billion > limit of 250 million.
Francos Spain: population of 2.682 billion > limit of 250 million.
Goddessness: population of 6.315 billion > limit of 250 million. Due to "Last activity: Sun Dec 27 2009" it wouldn't come up until December 2014 anyway.

However, if the limit were to be raised (and there are already calls for that to be done), we'd undoubtedly run into situations where a name shouldn't be released. I think that's why the 10th item listed in the OP exists: "10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod".

I imagine Game Mods don't want to be flooded with numerous requests for marking all sorts of deceased nations as reserved, so I suggest not putting in requests for nations to be marked as reserved until they're actually in danger of having their names reused. A nation 'of note' is likely to be above any reasonable population limit set.

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94 block
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Ex-Nation

Postby 94 block » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:45 am

Deleted nation Waipahu
Founded: Wed Oct 29 2008
Last activity: Mon Nov 29 2010
Population: 2.434 billion

that's my first nation. and i would like it back, very very much. it's just a shame i dont have the pword anymore. if its not too much to ask can you please make that one available for me whenever you get the chance. THANKS!
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Shanix
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Postby Shanix » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:30 pm

94 block wrote:Deleted nation Waipahu
Founded: Wed Oct 29 2008
Last activity: Mon Nov 29 2010
Population: 2.434 billion

that's my first nation. and i would like it back, very very much. it's just a shame i dont have the pword anymore. if its not too much to ask can you please make that one available for me whenever you get the chance. THANKS!

Though there are ways the mods can check to see if you *could* have been the owner, asking for the password of any nation, no matter if it was yours, could end pretty badly. I mean, if I said I used to be [insert very high profile nation who got deleted for inactivity] and that I moved, under these circumstances, I could have just stolen that nation.
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Postby Cerberion » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:07 pm

Well, and so the griefing begins.
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Postby Goobergunchia » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:09 pm

Not sure what that has to do with this feature, given that "10000-Islands" hasn't been used before.

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