Nation name release!

[The Icemark]

Well we only had an adjustment of the rules back in spring, and I'm pretty certain the Mods said they wouldn't consider amending the rules for another six months or so. So perhaps bring this up with them at years end and see what they say.

As for the rule changes itself I wouldn't have any problem with it rising to 750 Million, but I think 5 years is a good enough time length and doesn't really need adjusting. If you haven't activated your nation after that amount of time its improbable that you'll be back.

[Parhe]

Well we only had an adjustment of the rules back in spring, and I'm pretty certain the Mods said they wouldn't consider amending the rules for another six months or so. So perhaps bring this up with them at years end and see what they say.

As for the rule changes itself I wouldn't have any problem with it rising to 750 Million, but I think 5 years is a good enough time length and doesn't really need adjusting. If you haven't activated your nation after that amount of time its improbable that you'll be back.

I feel like 500 Million is a good place to stop at least for now. One of the concerns expressed before I believed when discussing upping it from 250 to 500 was that afterwards people would ask for more and more. In my opinion, as is everything seems working wonderfully with the system. If anything was to change I would request people to allow their nation names to be released sooner, if they have a population below 500 Million, and perhaps the ability for people to decide to release the names if their nation has a population over. Though I believe these have both been suggested before and, for whatever reason I do not remember rejected.

[Of Herbshire]

What about the 14 states of Malaysia, From Perlis Indera Kayangan to Johor Darul Takzim and Johor Darul Takzim to Sarawak Bumi Kenyalang. Are the names of the nation are still available for creating a new nation? Can someone go to the web and look for it? I think that Violet will not go to the web and research for it, Duh?

[Herrebrugh]

What about the 14 states of Malaysia, From Perlis Indera Kayangan to Johor Darul Takzim and Johor Darul Takzim to Sarawak Bumi Kenyalang. Are the names of the nation are still available for creating a new nation? Can someone go to the web and look for it? I think that Violet will not go to the web and research for it, Duh?

Look it up yourself.

[Parhe]

What about the 14 states of Malaysia, From Perlis Indera Kayangan to Johor Darul Takzim and Johor Darul Takzim to Sarawak Bumi Kenyalang. Are the names of the nation are still available for creating a new nation? Can someone go to the web and look for it? I think that Violet will not go to the web and research for it, Duh?

Look it up yourself.

He better act fast.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

Then my old nation will live long forever

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

As long threatened, we're going to open up old nation names for re-use.

For a sneak preview, use this page to see if/when a particular nation name would become available:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard

Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:

1. is active
2. ceased to exist less than 5 years ago
3. accumulated a population of 500 million or more ^{(changed from 250 million in Spring 2013)}
4. founded an existing region
5. is mentioned in the History of an existing region
6. authored or was the subject of a WA resolution (incl. Historical ones)
7. authored an Issue
8. was a moderator or admin
9. was deleted by a mod
10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod

There are a very large number of nation names that were used only briefly, and whose former owner is highly unlikely to ever return, so the feeling is that we should make those available for people who want them. Nations that hung around for a reasonable length of time, however, or ceased to exist relatively recently, or did something of particular note, should remain reserved in case the former owner one day wants to revive them.

If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Please let me know your thoughts! There is some time before this will go live, and we can tweak in the meantime.

To anticipate a couple of questions:

Q: "250M population is too low." / "Five years is too long."
A: If the release goes well, we might look at loosening the restrictions in the future¹ to make nations with slightly larger populations or more recent CTE dates available. But that's something to consider later.

Q: "Why does the Boneyard say different names will become available on different days?"
A: Just to spread things out, so we don't get hammered by everyone trying to reclaim an old name at once.

Q: "I really, really want this one name. Can't you make a special exemption and let me have it?"
A: No.

¹Limit raised to 500M in Spring 2013

I kinda feel like if I could choose, I would set the name-re using at 750 Million and let the original owner have 3 years to restore it, just my opinion

[The Icemark]

I kinda feel like if I could choose, I would set the name-re using at 750 Million and let the original owner have 3 years to restore it, just my opinion

I fully expect it to eventually reach a maximum level of 1 billion in the future, but still feel the 5 year gap is just enough at this moment.

[Vakolic]

I kinda feel like if I could choose, I would set the name-re using at 750 Million and let the original owner have 3 years to restore it, just my opinion

I fully expect it to eventually reach a maximum level of 1 billion in the future, but still feel the 5 year gap is just enough at this moment.

If you're still inactive after 3 years, most games would have deleted you way before then.

Plus, it might save server space that could be used for useful things.

[Aglrinia]

Well we only had an adjustment of the rules back in spring, and I'm pretty certain the Mods said they wouldn't consider amending the rules for another six months or so. So perhaps bring this up with them at years end and see what they say.

As for the rule changes itself I wouldn't have any problem with it rising to 750 Million, but I think 5 years is a good enough time length and doesn't really need adjusting. If you haven't activated your nation after that amount of time its improbable that you'll be back.

I feel like 500 Million is a good place to stop at least for now. One of the concerns expressed before I believed when discussing upping it from 250 to 500 was that afterwards people would ask for more and more. In my opinion, as is everything seems working wonderfully with the system. If anything was to change I would request people to allow their nation names to be released sooner, if they have a population below 500 Million, and perhaps the ability for people to decide to release the names if their nation has a population over. Though I believe these have both been suggested before and, for whatever reason I do not remember rejected.

500 million is perfectly fine, and I won't support an increase.

[Vakolic]

So, that guy who logged in back in 2005, did very little, and then stopped after a few months cares about his nation from 8 years ago?

[Maltropia]

So, that guy who logged in back in 2005, did very little, and then stopped after a few months cares about his nation from 8 years ago?

It's happened, and I really don't see why people think they need more nations.

[Aglrinia]

So, that guy who logged in back in 2005, did very little, and then stopped after a few months cares about his nation from 8 years ago?

Some of my best friendships on nationstates have been with the nations that have only been here for a short while. In fact the first founder I ever had ceased to exist before his nation even reached one million. Occasionally they'll come back; however, it's usually only for a short while about six months or so on average. I would in no way endorse the release of their nation names.

[Frisbeeteria]

Plus, it might save server space that could be used for useful things.

I'll state once again that this is not a factor. The ~25GB of dead nations don't make much of a dent in our 1.8TB game disk.

So, that guy who logged in back in 2005, did very little, and then stopped after a few months cares about his nation from 8 years ago?

It wouldn't be 2005, it's 2008 - we only restrict to 5 years currently. I can't speak for you, but I have clear memories of players I interacted with five years ago. Or, "that guy" could be the player you're currently talking to, and he might want to revive a dead puppet for a revived roleplay. There are plenty of reasons for allowing nations to be revived much later, and not that many compelling reasons not to.

[The Russian Federations]

I think it should be lower to 3 years that sounds more reasonable cause there this nation I want to creat but I need to what 47 day!... Really come on I'm going to be really up set if he pops back on the last day -_-

[The Icemark]

I think it should be lower to 3 years that sounds more reasonable cause there this nation I want to creat but I need to what 47 day!... Really come on I'm going to be really up set if he pops back on the last day -_-

You have to think about what it best for the collective of the site rather than individual benefits.. An amendment to the rules will eventually come but seeing as there was only one this spring previously it is a perhaps a little too soon for an adjustment. As I stated previously they did say that they wouldn't consider anything for at least six months since the last one.

[Bears Armed]

I feel like 500 Million is a good place to stop at least for now.

Make it 600 million instead and that would be seven more names from my "wanted, checked, currently unavailable" list that I'd have a chance at...

[Aglrinia]

I feel like 500 Million is a good place to stop at least for now.

Make it 600 million instead and that would be seven more names from my "wanted, checked, currently unavailable" list that I'd have a chance at...

You may not be the only person gunning for those names, perhaps Parhe is, Czech Mate, or Myself. If they raise the boneyard limit just due to the fact that people are stating "I want these names!" It would've been raised once again a long time ago.

[Bears Armed]

Make it 600 million instead and that would be seven more names from my "wanted, checked, currently unavailable" list that I'd have a chance at...

You may not be the only person gunning for those names, perhaps Parhe is, Czech Mate, or Myself.

They aren't really very 'obvious' names, though: To consider one factor that can make names popular, only 2 of the 7 belong to RL places with one of those belonging to a smallish town and the other obsolete.

Mind you, I'm still sometimes a bit surprised to find some names that I check are available: Created by me today, for example, we have a nation that -- once it's large enough -- will be given a customised pre-title of "The Dawning of"... Behold!

[Skyrim Of Amular]

well can i change name of my nation?!!

[Bears Armed]

well can i change name of my nation?!!

No. The way that the game is coded means that changing the names of nations after they've been created isn't possible.
However as any player is allowed multiple nations if they want them, as long as no more than one of those nations is a WA member at any one time, you could create a new nation with the alternative name that you want... IF that name is currently available.

[Skyrim Of Amular]

well tnx i wish in next update they let us change name of our nations because its pretty boring that i make my nation this big and then for changing name of my nation go start from zero point

[Herrebrugh]

well tnx i wish in next update they let us change name of our nations because its pretty boring that i make my nation this big and then for changing name of my nation go start from zero point

That'd mean the next update is scheduled next year at best.

This wouldn't mean just re-writing a couple of lines of code, it'd essentially mean re-writing all of NationStates.

[New Themiscyra]

Had the 'Request for Military Aid' issue, and created a relevant puppet... but was very surprised to find its name still available...

[PuppetMaster Supreme]

I think it should be lower to 3 years that sounds more reasonable cause there this nation I want to creat but I need to what 47 day!... Really come on I'm going to be really up set if he pops back on the last day -_-

47 days is nothing. I waited almost 2 years for some nations, and am still waiting for others...