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by Kshrlmnt » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:01 pm
by Senestrum » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:02 pm
by Mahaj » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:03 pm
Senestrum wrote:The entire "gameplay" thing is itself an unintended exploitation of the region mechanics.
It seems hilariously hypocritical to whine about the exploitation of a glitch.
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by [violet] » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:04 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:after years of knowing it's there and not doing anything
by Mahaj » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:05 pm
[violet] wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:after years of knowing it's there and not doing anything
I hadn't heard of this one before today. It's not the same as pre-endorsing non-WA nations, or endorsing a bunch of other nations in the same regions and moving together.
Anyway, if it's a good thing to be able to endorse nations in other regions, make a case for that. But it's clearly no good when something is legal and possible but only via URL manipulation.
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by Mallorea and Riva » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:06 pm
[violet] wrote:Because it's a bug. You're not supposed to be able to endorse nations in other regions. The game says that in a few places.
[violet] wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:after years of knowing it's there and not doing anything
I hadn't heard of this one before today. It's not the same as pre-endorsing non-WA nations, or endorsing a bunch of other nations in the same regions and moving together.
Anyway, if it's a good thing to be able to endorse nations in other regions, make a case for that. But it's clearly no good when something is legal and possible but only via URL manipulation.
by Mallorea and Riva » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:08 pm
by Kshrlmnt » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:32 pm
Mahaj wrote:[violet] wrote:I hadn't heard of this one before today. It's not the same as pre-endorsing non-WA nations, or endorsing a bunch of other nations in the same regions and moving together.
Anyway, if it's a good thing to be able to endorse nations in other regions, make a case for that. But it's clearly no good when something is legal and possible but only via URL manipulation.
Violet, there is a way without URL manipulation. I'd love to show you, but I don't want to make it public knowledge. If there's some way I could contact you and show it to you, i'd gladly do so.
by Improving Wordiness » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:41 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:45 pm
Improving Wordiness wrote:The fact is defenders are only looking a part of the picture. I am in the "Not a good thing camp"
by Kshrlmnt » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:56 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Defenders are naturally disadvantaged in NationStates, simply because defending is reactionary.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Raiders can plan and defender movements are easily tracked.
by The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:59 pm
by Joshuahood » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:05 pm
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:5 pages on this crap? Really? Is this glitch really so goddamn important?
by The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:09 pm
by Unibot II » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:14 pm
[violet] wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:after years of knowing it's there and not doing anything
I hadn't heard of this one before today. It's not the same as pre-endorsing non-WA nations, or endorsing a bunch of other nations in the same regions and moving together.
Anyway, if it's a good thing to be able to endorse nations in other regions, make a case for that. But it's clearly no good when something is legal and possible but only via URL manipulation.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
General Halcones wrote:Look up to Unibot as an example.
by Improving Wordiness » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:22 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Topid » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:33 pm
Unibot II wrote:When you found people were viewing the administration pages of regions via URL manipulation, you offered us an automatic way (although it annoys me we can't view the bbcode of a WFE anymore) -- could we follow this precedent?
by Commander Halcones » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:11 am
by Ballotonia » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:15 am
Commander Halcones wrote:This manipulation of URLs should seriously be stopped. It was never intended in the first place.
by Mahaj » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:18 am
Improving Wordiness wrote:and that worked out just great didn't it Unibot? All it did was give invaders a tool to pinpoint update time. Please do not give invaders yet another tool. This will impact on defending regions.
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by Commander Halcones » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:30 am
by Ballotonia » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:21 am
April 17, 2004
<PopeHope> Max, how do you feel about the user created game within your game that we call invading and defending?
<Max> First, I should admit that when I created NationStates, it never even occurred to me that people would play the invasion game
<Max> It seems obvious now, but then keep in mind I thought NS would be an obscure little site that nobody much would visit
<Max> In a way, invasions are simply an extension of regional politics... or at least, they are when done right
<Max> It does, and I definitely approve of invasions when done right
<Max> The issue we had -- and which emerged pretty early -- was people who would crash into an old, established region, and trash it
<Max> I got all these anguished e-mails from people who had played the game for months, who had set up regional hierarchies, etc, and were watching it get spammed out by griefers
<Max> Clearly, I want to protect long-term players from griefers
<Max> And so we got Regional Control
<Max> ...which, of course, added a whole new layer to the invasion game, since you could eject people now
<Max> It's been tough to find the right balance between allowing invasions as a legitimate political tool, and preventing griefing
<Max> But that's my aim
by The Republic of Lanos » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:00 am
by Sedgistan » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:07 am
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Now for a more pressing question:
Is URL manipulation, regardless of who's doing it, legal?
by Augustus Este » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:22 am
Mahaj wrote:[violet] wrote:I hadn't heard of this one before today. It's not the same as pre-endorsing non-WA nations, or endorsing a bunch of other nations in the same regions and moving together.
Anyway, if it's a good thing to be able to endorse nations in other regions, make a case for that. But it's clearly no good when something is legal and possible but only via URL manipulation.
Violet, there is a way without URL manipulation. I'd love to show you, but I don't want to make it public knowledge. If there's some way I could contact you and show it to you, i'd gladly do so.
The reason we should be able to is that it allows us to shave time off our movements. Just a second, mind, but it could be important in some circumstances.
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