Nation name changing

[Quovia]

Everytime we make a nation, later on we may grow tired of our nations name. I want to change my nations name. It would be simple, you could change the name as long as it's not the same as another nations name. I think it would be effective and helpful. What do you guys think?

[Sedgistan]

From the Tech forum FAQs:

Can Mods change my nation name?
No, they cannot.

The game code uses a nation's name as its ID, an unfortunate design decision that we are stuck with. Renaming a nation would break all references to it in regions, player Dossiers, the WA, etc.

As such, if you have a typo in your nation name, you have 2 (obvious) options:
(1) Create a new nation *without* the typo to use instead.
(2) Roleplay the nation name as what you want it to be. (This selection is really your only choice if the name you want has been taken by another nation.)

[Linux and the X]

It is in fact possible for admins to change nation names, but this is rarely done; I think I remember seeing it done a total of three times, and I've been here a decent while. Generally it is done for estalished nations whose name violates a rule, and the alternative is deletion. In such cases the admids ask the player what to change their name to.

[Samarach]

Great so its official then

[Ballotonia]

It is in fact possible for admins to change nation names, but this is rarely done; I think I remember seeing it done a total of three times, and I've been here a decent while. Generally it is done for estalished nations whose name violates a rule, and the alternative is deletion. In such cases the admids ask the player what to change their name to.

More precisely, the player creates a new nation and the stats of the former nation is transferred to the new nation. That way it looks just like a name-change, but really isn't.

Ballotonia

[[violet]]

Yep, the only way we can change a nation's name without cloning it (and thus breaking dossiers, the WA system, etc etc) is if the only modification is to capitalization.

[IgenjI]

Yep, the only way we can change a nation's name without cloning it (and thus breaking dossiers, the WA system, etc etc) is if the only modification is to capitalization.

Does that mean it'd be possible to make the first 'i' in my name lowercase? I was under the impression that couldn't be done, and for the life of me I can't get it to create a nation with the first letter lowercase.

[[violet]]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

If a long-time player was bugged about how she'd forgotten to capitalize the second word of her nation name, though, it would not be crazy to request me to fix that.

[Ballotonia]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

Why not the same for regions? Cause right now that's inconsistent:
the Pacific
The North Pacific
The East Pacific
the South Pacific
the West Pacific
the Rejected Realms

And perhaps belgium might want to be called Belgium instead.

Ballotonia

[My Minds Eye]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

If a long-time player was bugged about how she'd forgotten to capitalize the second word of her nation name, though, it would not be crazy to request me to fix that.

I don't know if it's appropriate to ask here, but could you capitalize the second and third words of my name? I inherited this nation and that's always bugged me.

[Ballotonia]

Hmmm.

Actually, would anything go wrong if nations had a separate user-editable Display Name?

So, the nation name (for links, storage, whatever) would remain stuff like (for example) "my_minds_eye", but the Display Name could then read "My Minds Eye". First implementation could be enforcing that whatever that user enters in the editable field in the settings page would have to boil down to "my_minds_eye" but in whatever capitalization or space/underscore usage the user wants. And the same approach might be used for capitalization of region names?

And perhaps later on it might be possible the user could edit the Display Name to read something entirely different (as long as it remains unique).

Ballotonia

[Bears Armed]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

Why? That might normally be appropriate, but what if a nation was named after its people, e.g. the English: A lower-case 't' would make more sense than an upper-case one in cases like that, once the fact that they were being combined with a pre-title was being considered. Compare 'The Community of the English' and 'The Community of The English', for example, and consider of those actually looks more correct...

For that matter, what about any nations that might be run as belonging to RPed cultures in which upper-case letters simply aren't used at all? "archie and mehitabel" v "Archie and mehitabel"?

[Crazy girl]

If a long-time player was bugged about how she'd forgotten to capitalize the second word of her nation name, though, it would not be crazy to request me to fix that.

Now that you mention it....oh wait, not crazy..

[Lordieth]

Couldn't you have a second nation name that would work as an overlay? You would keep the original to keep linkages working, so it'd purely be cosmetic.

[Oceanic Vakiadia]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

Umm...

greed and death

[[violet]]

Cause right now that's inconsistent

The first letter of region names can be capitalized or not, depending on the Founder's choice. Some do, some don't.

[Mahaj WA Seat]

Cause right now that's inconsistent

The first letter of region names can be capitalized or not, depending on the Founder's choice. Some do, some don't.

He's talking about the feeders, which didn't have founders... or don't, anyhow.

[[violet]]

I don't know if it's appropriate to ask here, but could you capitalize the second and third words of my name? I inherited this nation and that's always bugged me.

Done.

[Aglrinia]

When i created it the 'L' and 'G' where in the wrong place but I've gotten use to it.

[Aglrinia]

The first letter of region names can be capitalized or not, depending on the Founder's choice. Some do, some don't.

He's talking about the feeders, which didn't have founders... or don't, anyhow.

Yeah thats always bugged me in fact my roommate quit the game because of that he has extreme OCD

[[violet]]

Hmmm.

Actually, would anything go wrong if nations had a separate user-editable Display Name?

So, the nation name (for links, storage, whatever) would remain stuff like (for example) "my_minds_eye", but the Display Name could then read "My Minds Eye".

That's actually the current situation.

First implementation could be enforcing that whatever that user enters in the editable field in the settings page would have to boil down to "my_minds_eye" but in whatever capitalization or space/underscore usage the user wants. And the same approach might be used for capitalization of region names?

I didn't think there was enough of a usage case for allowing user-editable names but the only thing you can change is the capitalization. It's probably easier to just correct manually.

And perhaps later on it might be possible the user could edit the Display Name to read something entirely different (as long as it remains unique).

The issue is that in some places the game derives the identifying name (e.g. "my_minds_eye") from the display name (e.g. "My Minds Eye"). We could no longer do that if they differed in unpredictable ways.

[[violet]]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

Why?

It makes it easier to spot which part of the nation's long name (i.e. the one that includes the pre-title) is its real name.

[[violet]]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

Umm...

greed and death

Bugs don't count.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

Just do what I did and roleplay the nation name you want. I roleplay as the United Roman Empire, yet that is not my account name.

[The Former Kingdom of South Stanistan]

It would be technical possible, but I won't do it because we do enforce a site-wide protocol that all nation names must begin with a capital.

If a long-time player was bugged about how she'd forgotten to capitalize the second word of her nation name, though, it would not be crazy to request me to fix that.

Hi, could you possibly capitalize the second word in my nation's name (Former)? Thanks.