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St Constatine
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Postby St Constatine » Sun May 03, 2009 10:56 am

Seems pretty solid to me.

May get more people active too.

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Re: About This Forum

Postby Northern Rangeria » Sun May 03, 2009 11:27 am

So is there a deadline until we shift from Jolt to here? Or do we use both, side by side?

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Postby Brutland and Norden » Sun May 03, 2009 12:17 pm

Northern Rangeria wrote:So is there a deadline until we shift from Jolt to here? Or do we use both, side by side?

No deadline. To quote [violet] quoting Max*:
[violet] wrote:From the News page:
Max Barry wrote:The Jolt forum isn't going anywhere. Even if our new forum survives this load test, the old one will remain, and you can move between the two as you wish.[/list]
Hosting our own forum will give us a lot of flexibility, but for now we're just trying to figure out whether it's viable! If we get through the load test, we'll look more at tweaking the cosmetics and features.

Though once we have our own forum, I think it'd be better to close some of the forums in jolt (ex. the NSWA) so as to prevent "forking" of discussions.

*Which I think is silly, because we all know that [violet]=Max Barry. :D
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Postby [violet] » Sun May 03, 2009 2:34 pm

Indri wrote:Just one question: Why?

  1. We didn't want to wake up one day to discover Jolt had shut down the NS forum. Jolt has served us pretty well over the years, but has lately become much more aggressive at monetizing their userbase.
  2. Their forum doesn't integrate with the game properly. For many people, it works fine. But for others, it doesn't work at all, meaning they just can't post there. This is a long-running problem and we never seemed to get any closer to fixing it.
  3. Jolt's moderation policy is changing; for example, they banned an NS user for criticizing a Jolt game. We feel that open debate is an essential part of NationStates, and want to preserve that.
  4. We can earn revenue from ads displayed in this forum, to help support the running costs of the game. Jolt doesn't pay us anything for the traffic we send their way.
  5. Jolt has been steadily building up the amount of advertising in the forum, with the latest addition being ads actually inside posts. We feel this significantly detracts from the forum's usability. We were also concerned about what might be next.

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Postby [violet] » Sun May 03, 2009 5:12 pm

Oh, one more! This lets us free old nation names for re-use. E.g. if "America" expires and isn't resurrected for a year or two, we can let you create a new nation with that name. Currently it's quite challenging to find an unused name, but we can't release them because they cause conflicts on the Jolt forum.

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Postby Objectivist Thinkers » Sun May 03, 2009 5:22 pm

Im not a fan of the 2.5D display, or the horizontal scrolling or the larger text windows that waste space, but if it was more like the Jolt forums I'd use this.

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Postby Todd McCloud » Sun May 03, 2009 11:59 pm

I like these forums a lot more than the jolt forums.
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Postby Australiazia » Mon May 04, 2009 1:08 am

This might turn out good, just wonder if it could take all the load or if it would crash if it was used by all.
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Re: About This Forum

Postby Libdonia » Mon May 04, 2009 5:49 am

Jolt have been taken over by OMAC industries

Their priorities are different to the original Jolt ones

which is why they've shut down the clan server stuff for many popular games so they can use the servers for another purpose (and if it aint building a super computer grid thing to take over the world I am going to be deeply disappointed)

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Postby Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 7:52 am

So tweaking (like getting rid of automatic multiquoting) would be done once we see whether or not we break this forum?

Post counts, thread transfers...unlikely yes?

Are we viable and vivacious enough to fill two forums?
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Mon May 04, 2009 7:53 am

[violet] wrote:Oh, one more! This lets us free old nation names for re-use. E.g. if "America" expires and isn't resurrected for a year or two, we can let you create a new nation with that name. Currently it's quite challenging to find an unused name, but we can't release them because they cause conflicts on the Jolt forum.

Can we do it now? Or that has yet to be implemented? (I'm excited about that, really. :) )
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Postby Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 7:57 am

I want Sinuhue back...Neesika is a bitch :(
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Postby Soyut » Mon May 04, 2009 9:42 am

Fictions wrote:I have a crazy thought that more people will use jolt until it is too late and then they will all come here and then BWAM the forum will implode....

yes

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Postby Fluffywuffy » Mon May 04, 2009 1:26 pm

Well, at least this new forum allows me to post with my original nation, Fluffywuffy. Doesn't need any lame forum_FLuffywuffy to post, so I'm happy.
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Postby North Mack » Mon May 04, 2009 4:21 pm

I like these forums very much. they mesh well with the site, and cut out the disconnected feeling, really making the RPing link up with the game as a whole. kudos!
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Re: About This Forum

Postby Free Ruislip » Mon May 04, 2009 5:36 pm

These forums seem to work much better than the old ones. Well done, NationStates Powers that Be!

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Postby Economic Well-being » Tue May 05, 2009 10:32 am

I like the idea. Hopefully this goes well.

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Re: About This Forum

Postby Santa clauses8 » Wed May 06, 2009 7:57 am

Hopefully it shall work.
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Postby Mt Id » Wed May 06, 2009 7:11 pm

I like these much better then the Jolt forums. I don't have to create a separate account and I'm automatically logged in here instead of having to keep logging in to the Jolt forums. Plus those freaking ads were getting obnoxious over there.

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Re: About This Forum

Postby Yanitaria » Fri May 08, 2009 2:51 pm

Here is hoping this forum works better than jolt.
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Re: About This Forum

Postby Thrashia » Fri May 08, 2009 5:48 pm

My main problem with this new set up is that the records of past threads has been removed. All of the threads that had been made on the Jolt forums can no longer be accessed, which will piss a lot of people off (myself included) because we had the option to search back and find them at will. While a change is not necessarily bad, why fix what's not broke? Far as I was aware the Jolt forums did just fine and the site admins had become comfortable in repairing any bugs. Switching over may add new aesthetic value to the forums, more pleasing to the eye, but overall it seems to me that this is an unnecessary step to take for NationStates. With the eventual move from NS1 to NS2, there is no need for such change.
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Postby Vault 10 » Fri May 08, 2009 6:02 pm

Thrashia wrote:All of the threads that had been made on the Jolt forums can no longer be accessed,

They can. Just goto jolt.

Switching over may add new aesthetic value to the forums, more pleasing to the eye, but overall it seems to me that this is an unnecessary step to take for NationStates. With the eventual move from NS1 to NS2, there is no need for such change.

Remember those pesky ads in posts?

The NS staff has asked and tried to get them removed from NS forums. It had no effect. We're not eating that up. After all, we can always vote with our feet.

And there's no eventual move to NS2. The new game is too different and not quite as conducive to forum roleplay.
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Postby Crimmond » Fri May 08, 2009 7:05 pm

I like these new forums for one reason and one reason alone. I can post with THIS account and not have to use The Crimm.

This one got glitched on Jolt's forums (along with dozens of others) and after well over a year, nothing was even ATTEMPTED to fix the problem.

Feels good to see 'Crimmond' by my posts again.
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Re: About This Forum

Postby Avalaun » Fri May 08, 2009 11:32 pm

[violet] wrote:From the News page:
Max Barry wrote:We are trialing a new forum! Check it:

http://forum.nationstates.net

Things to know:

[list][*]This is a test. It's possible the server will spectacularly implode under the load, in which case we'll probably have to abandon the idea and stick with Jolt.
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Hosting our own forum will give us a lot of flexibility, but for now we're just trying to figure out whether it's viable! If we get through the load test, we'll look more at tweaking the cosmetics and features.


Can I ask, what is the load/implosion problem? Is it a bandwidth issue? How big a pipe do you have/need? Is there a significant problem with up/down data amounts (exceeding the bandwidth available) or is it primarily a server capacity problem? Would the problem be solved or at least mitigated by hosting the game over multiple mirror sites? If we understood what the problem/limits/bottleneck was in more precise terms the community might have some answers or help.
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Re: About This Forum

Postby Wanderjar » Sat May 09, 2009 6:22 am

Call to power wrote:does this mean you want us to try and break it?


LOL! Stress test time!
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