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The Happy Democratic Sunshine Land
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Simultaneous Gun Ownership AND Gun Control Policies

Postby The Happy Democratic Sunshine Land » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:19 am

I have simultaneous compulsory citizen gun ownership AND gun control (forbidding citizen gun ownership) in my nation. I have been trying to reverse some of the decisions I've made through issues deliberately, including previously instating gun ownership, and I came across this in the process. What can I do to have this resolved?

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Verdant Haven
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Postby Verdant Haven » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:58 am

That is an extraordinary combo that should not be possible. I'll need to investigate this when I get home from work to try and figure out where we missed setting or unsetting a policy flag. Apologies for the trouble - I've definitely never seen that before!

Do you happen to recall which of those you had first? Do you know if you ended up with both recently, or is this something that's been going on for a while? (I ask because if it's recent, I can more easily track down the triggering issue and address it,

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Valentine Z
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:44 pm

Hmm, Gun Control (ID k2; Citizens are forbidden from owning firearms) AND Gun Ownership (ID q2; All citizens are required to own a firearm), right? I am using a very old dataset, but some of the nations, I believe, still have them, so here are a couple of them.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=julio_urias/detail=policies
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=terrible_farming_nation_130/detail=policies
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=42_mirrormind/detail=policies
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=belgique/detail=policies
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=rsca35/detail=policies

I hope this helps! ♥

This is a raw list of nations that used to have them as of 2024-02-28 (1 year ago, good grief) but as aforementioned, most of them likely don't have it anymore thanks to them answering issues. Those five above, however, I have looked at manually and confirmed!
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Thorn1000
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Postby Thorn1000 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:06 pm

Thorn505 seems to still have it
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tho ... l=policies
That likely means it comes from the first result of an issue since that’s how my farming tools are set up. Hope that helps narrowing it at all!
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Verdant Haven
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Postby Verdant Haven » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:17 pm

Thank you for the additional info on this one, y'all - all of that will be helpful in tracking this down and determining the appropriate, least disruptive way to amend the record. Please forgive me if it takes me a day or two to get to the bottom of it!

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Valentine Z
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:20 pm

Verdant Haven wrote:Thank you for the additional info on this one, y'all - all of that will be helpful in tracking this down and determining the appropriate, least disruptive way to amend the record. Please forgive me if it takes me a day or two to get to the bottom of it!

Eyyyy happy to help! Sorry for the lack of more updated data though! :P

I should extract some soon.
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Postby The Happy Democratic Sunshine Land » Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:53 am

Verdant Haven wrote:Do you happen to recall which of those you had first? Do you know if you ended up with both recently, or is this something that's been going on for a while? (I ask because if it's recent, I can more easily track down the triggering issue and address it,


I instated gun control just within the last days

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Postby Verdant Haven » Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:32 am

Thank you, that helped.

I'm pleased to report that the cause of this situation has been identified and corrected. A typo in a single character enabled this situation to occur. Long story short, it was happening to people who first selected option 84.1 to enforce mandatory gun ownership, and then later selected option 629.1 to ban gun ownership.

Unfortunately, fixing the conflicting policies will take a lot more than a single character to do, but it should be possible. I'll see what I can work out with Sherp.

As the typo was such that in all cases of having both policies, the more recent decision was to ban guns, it should be expected that when a solution is implemented it is the "Gun Control" policy which will remain for nations that had both, while the "Gun Ownership" policy will be removed. After that, you should be able to receive issues appropriate to your decisions to date, and which will allow you to further extend or remove that policy as normal.

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Postby The Happy Democratic Sunshine Land » Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:26 am

Thank you for processing. So am I to understand that this can be resolved for my nation at the next time I have a related issue?


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