Suggestion: Opposite Stat for Political Apathy

[Eleuthernia]

Many stats already have "opposites," such as compliance and crime, wealth gaps and income equality, etc. This rewards people on either extreme of the spectrum with a badge on their nation page to recognize a high percentile score in that stat. But there is no such opposite stat for political apathy, which seems like a big oversight in a game entirely about politics. I think there should be a political engagement stat, or something of that sort, to recognize nations with low political apathy.

Suggestions?

[Auralia]

I agree. It's not fair to those who want to minimize political apathy that they don't get recognition via a trophy.

[Cekoviu]

I concur. On this topic, I also think there should also be a stat for "smallest black market." And maybe "unhealthiest citizens."

[Roosevetania]

That's an interesting idea. It could be something like "Interest" or "Engagement" or "Wokeness".

[Merconitonitopia]

"voter turnout" is the first idea that comes to mind, but that doesn't apply for nations that have literally no ballots to speak of.

"Political Engagement" is the most obvious option. maybe even something like "Partisanship" (implying how much private individuals are involved in politics in their person lives)

[Divitalia]

That's an interesting idea. It could be something like "Interest" or "Engagement" or "Wokeness".

Adding opposite stats for everything would just add unnecessary stuff to the stats page. Maybe with how the top person in the world gets a special border around the stat icon, the same thing could be done for the lowest, and when you look at the “most scientifically advanced in the world,” or the equivalent for another stat, you can have it show it backwards and say “least scientifically advanced in the world.”

[Cekoviu]

That's an interesting idea. It could be something like "Interest" or "Engagement" or "Wokeness".

Adding opposite stats for everything would just add unnecessary stuff to the stats page. Maybe with how the top person in the world gets a special border around the stat icon, the same thing could be done for the lowest, and when you look at the “most scientifically advanced in the world,” or the equivalent for another stat, you can have it show it backwards and say “least scientifically advanced in the world.”

The problem with that is that it constantly fluctuates a lot more due to all the new nations constantly popping up.

[He Qixin]

I had a feeling that High Political Apathy may be the partial cause for high corruption, since you tend to be unmoral when you don't care about politics, so Integrity may be partially opposite of political apathy.

[Trotterdam]

The problem with that is that it constantly fluctuates a lot more due to all the new nations constantly popping up.

New nations usually appear in the middle of a census, with a select few exceptions like Population and Residence. Being really primitive can take just as much work as being really scientifically advanced.

I had a feeling that High Political Apathy may be the partial cause for high corruption, since you tend to be unmoral when you don't care about politics, so Integrity may be partially opposite of political apathy.

Well, at least it's harder to be corrupt if citizens are paying close attention to what you're doing. I doubt it's a major factor though.

[Eleuthernia]

That's an interesting idea. It could be something like "Interest" or "Engagement" or "Wokeness".

Adding opposite stats for everything would just add unnecessary stuff to the stats page. Maybe with how the top person in the world gets a special border around the stat icon, the same thing could be done for the lowest, and when you look at the “most scientifically advanced in the world,” or the equivalent for another stat, you can have it show it backwards and say “least scientifically advanced in the world.”

I don't think we should add opposite stats for everything, but many stats already have opposites, or at least things similar to opposites (health and obesity), and I feel like political apathy or participation is a pretty important aspect to think about in a nation when it comes to a game about politics.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Adding opposite stats for everything would just add unnecessary stuff to the stats page. Maybe with how the top person in the world gets a special border around the stat icon, the same thing could be done for the lowest, and when you look at the “most scientifically advanced in the world,” or the equivalent for another stat, you can have it show it backwards and say “least scientifically advanced in the world.”

I don't think we should add opposite stats for everything, but many stats already have opposites, or at least things similar to opposites (health and obesity), and I feel like political apathy or participation is a pretty important aspect to think about in a nation when it comes to a game about politics.

Agree. I think most stats don't need opposites, but that Political Engagement would be a good addition to the rankings and the badges.

[Aclion]

This is the first time i've seen this suggestion not derail into arguments over what it should be called. I still think it's a good idea. Better stat then Political apathy even.

Does political apathy have an upper limit we can measure it's inverse from though?

[Xmara]

Not a bad idea. Most Politically Engaged?

I concur. On this topic, I also think there should also be a stat for "smallest black market." And maybe "unhealthiest citizens."

I thought the Obesity stat was supposed to be opposite of Healthiest.

[Cekoviu]

Not a bad idea. Most Politically Engaged?

I concur. On this topic, I also think there should also be a stat for "smallest black market." And maybe "unhealthiest citizens."

I thought the Obesity stat was supposed to be opposite of Healthiest.

I don't think so (although they are closely tied together in issue effects ime): if you look at my trend in Health and then Obesity, they aren't complete inverses of each other. Compare those to the perfectly symmetrical trends in Income Equality and Wealth Gaps, which are actual opposites. There are a lot of other factors than obesity that contribute to health, such as air/water pollution and number of doctors, so I think it would be worth it to have a separate inverse census ranking for health.

[Merconitonitopia]

I thought the Obesity stat was supposed to be opposite of Healthiest.

why would you think that? obesity is just one of an infinite number of things that can harm your health.
health (the stat) generally correlates with both healthcare, environment/pollution, and the extent of pro-health legislation (eg. banning smoking etc.) while obesity correlates with supporting industries like pizza and soda

[Vulturret]

I agree this would be a nice new badge

[Land Without Shrimp]

I thought the Obesity stat was supposed to be opposite of Healthiest.

why would you think that? obesity is just one of an infinite number of things that can harm your health.
health (the stat) generally correlates with both healthcare, environment/pollution, and the extent of pro-health legislation (eg. banning smoking etc.) while obesity correlates with supporting industries like pizza and soda

I don't entirely agree with this. Admittedly, I don't have a great deal of data to back up my case. But I look at my nation, I have top 4% stats for pizza, top 2% for soda(almost 1%!), yet Obesity is only top 81%! What gives? And then my environment is fantastic, smoking banned, etc...healthcare is universal(Public Healthcare top 16%), yet my Health score is ABYSMAL(sitting at top 99%!!). So...I think there's a few more factors than just the above that play in.

[Vulturret]

why would you think that? obesity is just one of an infinite number of things that can harm your health.
health (the stat) generally correlates with both healthcare, environment/pollution, and the extent of pro-health legislation (eg. banning smoking etc.) while obesity correlates with supporting industries like pizza and soda

I don't entirely agree with this. Admittedly, I don't have a great deal of data to back up my case. But I look at my nation, I have top 4% stats for pizza, top 2% for soda(almost 1%!), yet Obesity is only top 81%! What gives? And then my environment is fantastic, smoking banned, etc...healthcare is universal(Public Healthcare top 16%), yet my Health score is ABYSMAL(sitting at top 99%!!). So...I think there's a few more factors than just the above that play in.

A ton of factors play in Don't expect the system to be perfect - That will never happen.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I guess people are buying pizzas and then not eating them. I know some people like that.

Bit yeah, obesity is obviously related to health, but the two are not direct opposites, of course.

[The Australian Federal Republic]

I thought Ideological Radicality was the opposite stat for Political Apathy.

[He Qixin]

This is my suggestion:

Political Engagement

The World Census engaged in a political discussion with random citizens and recorded how much interest they had in sharing their political ideas.

Unit of measurement: Political Care Rating

[Galiantus III]

My suggestion:

Political Activism
(or just Activism)

"World Census experts marched around town halls and street corners with picket signs to determine which nations' citizens were more likely to hold protests and stand-ins over even minor issues."

Unit of measurement: "Gadsden Involvement Index"

[He Qixin]

Another suggestion:

Political Earnestness

The World Census attempted to interrupt political meetings of all varying degrees of importance in order to determine which nations are most serious about politics.

Unit of Measurement: Winston Churchill Earnestness Units

[Candlewhisper Archive]

To any technical bods, we have had some thoughts of this backstage in the editing forums that involve more complex / hidden stat discussions, in particular re: introducing a Patriotism stat.

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[He Qixin]

To any technical bods, we have had some thoughts of this backstage in the editing forums that involve more complex / hidden stat discussions, in particular re: introducing a Patriotism stat.

Can you take a look if you see this message?

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