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Postby Mostly armless » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:50 pm

This is my first issue so all constructive criticism is welcome (if you want to re-write it that's fine).
I don't believe an issue about this has been done already.
I need more stats fields for each to change.
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Current Draft - Suggestions I've not used are in blue, my question are in green

Title: Swept away?
Description:After heavy rainfall caused burst riverbanks and flash flooding in the low-lying regions of @@NAME@@, opinions are divided as to what the government's response should be.
Validity: Invalid for nations with high infrastructure spending

Options:
[option] "We need help to recover from this horrible act of nature,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a resident of the flooded zone, trying to stop his hands from shaking. “I’ve lost everything; my house, cars, yacht. There was no time to recover anything before it was swept away. The government should compensate us for our losses - it wasn't our fault, after all, and without someone to help us I'll be without a roof to live under. It may require a tax rise, but hey, what’s a rise compared to looking after the citizens?
[effect] the Government is flooded with compensation requests
[stats]tax increases, crime increases, social welfare spending increases, economy shrinks slightly, that civil rights increase slightly,

[option]”They want what!? "replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, a spending-averse libertarian.“ At the end of the day, they chose to live in flood regions. Why should the government pay out compensation to these half-brained idiots at all? Stop this stupidity, and we'll all get a well-deserved tax break. If they want money when there’s a flood, they should get insurance and hang the expense! Make them bear the costs of their own idiocy!
[effect] people are charged extortionate rates to get insurance
[stats]tax decreases, government size decreases, crime increases, economy size increases slightly, insurance industry size increases, social welfare spending falls radically, happiness rises very slightly


[option]”You know what? These floods should never have happened in the first place,” states @@RANDOMNAME@@, a notable architect, with an excited glint in their eye. “They've caused destruction and damage; costing millions of @@CURRENCY@@s to repair - not including the thousands we'd spend in recompensation... What I propose is the government investing heavily in massive flood defences: levees, floodways and gates. Wall off the seas and lakes! Put flood gates on every river! We’ll have no more floods in @@NAME@@! “
[effect] children are often seen going on school trips to visit free-running rivers
[stats] tax increases slightly, quality of the environment decreases, economy size increases very slightly, happiness decreases, infrastructure rises

[option]”You know what? Why don’t we use the cheap, easy solution to stop this problem?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, floating past on a makeshift raft. "It's simple: just stop people building on flood plains. If you’re not in a floodable area, you can’t get flooded. Who's going to complain? A bunch of real-estate developers? Please. Even the environmentalists will be happy - they can have the land as some kind of nature reserve.”
[effect]@@NAME@@ is experiencing a chronic lack of space for new houses
[stats] happiness decreases, quality of the environment increases, tax decreases, economy shrinks, insurance industry shrinks, environment rises as a government priority, economic freedoms fall.

Original Draft.
Title: Swept away?
Description:After heavy rainfall caused burst riverbanks and flash flooding in the low-lying regions of @@NAME@@, opinions are divided as to what should be done in response.
Validity: Valid for all nations

Options:
[option]” We need help to recover from this horrible act of nature,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, visibly shaken up. “I’ve lost everything; my house, cars, yacht, everything. The water rose so fast: there was no time to recover anything before it was swept away. The Government should compensate us for our losses. It may require a small tax rise, but hey, what’s a tiny rise compared to looking after the citizens?”
[effect] the Government is flooded with compensation requests
[stats]tax increases, crime increases

[option]”They want WHAT?” replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, spokesperson for Citizens Opposed to Government Spending. “ Why should the taxpayer have to suffer for people’s poor decisions? They choose to live in flood regions, so they should suffer the consequences for it. In fact, why not cut all Government compensation funds? It’ll give us a well-deserved tax break. If they want money when there’s a flood, they should get insurance, I’m sure the rates wouldn’t be too high.”
[effect] people are charged extortionate rates to get insurance
[stats]tax decreases, government size decreases, crime decreases, economy size increases, insurance industry size increases


[option]”You know what? These floods should never happen in the first place,” states @@RANDOMNAME@@, a notable architect and designer. “They cause destruction and damage; costing millions of @@CURRENCY@@s to repair. What I propose is the Government investing heavily in massive flood defences: levees, floodways and gates. Wall off the seas and lakes! Put flood gates on every river! We’ll have no more floods in @@NAME@@! “
[effect] the countryside is filled with flood defences as rivers and the sea are walled off
[stats] tax increases, quality of the environment decreases, economy size increases, happiness decreases


[option]”You know what? Why don’t we use the cheap, easy solution to stop this problem?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Buildings Minister (I didn't know who this would fall under).”I think the best thing to do is to stop building on flood plains. If you’re not in a floodable area, you can’t get flooded. Problem solved. Hey, it’ll also please those tree-hugging hippies. Let them have the land for some kind of nature reserve or something.”
[effect]@@NAME@@ is experiencing a chronic lack of space for new houses.
[stats] happiness decreases, quality of the environment increases, tax decreases,

Thanks.
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I like the idea
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Postby Frenequesta » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:16 pm

Shouldn't quality of the environment increase on the last option? After all, they aren't building there right?

Also, the insurance sector specifically should go up on Option #2.
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Postby Mostly armless » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:04 am

Frenequesta wrote:Shouldn't quality of the environment increase on the last option? After all, they aren't building there right?

Also, the insurance sector specifically should go up on Option #2.

Thanks for the feedback :hug:
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I like the idea for the issue... I believe this one is a possible acceptance
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Tim-Opolis wrote:I like the idea for the issue... I believe this one is a possible acceptance

Any suggested changes?
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Postby Panageadom » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:20 pm

Give me a couple of days...
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Mostly armless wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:I like the idea for the issue... I believe this one is a possible acceptance

Any suggested changes?




Actually... I think it's pretty much perfect... but who am I to speak
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Postby Panageadom » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:49 am

My suggestions are in red.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Title: Swept away?
Description:After heavy rainfall caused burst riverbanks and flash flooding in the low-lying regions of @@NAME@@, opinions are divided as to what should be done in response. Final clause ever so slightly awkward.
Validity: Valid for all nations Hm. It would seem that it's clearly irrelevant for certain nations (i.e., one without a suitable environment/high funding of flood barriers, anyway). I can't really think of a clear way of putting it, but maybe it could be invalid for nations with high infrastructure spending, and/or who are eligible for that issue about a water crisis (although that's slightly different...)

Options:
[option] "We need help to recover from this horrible act of nature,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a resident of the flood zone, trying to stop his hands from shaking visibly shaken up. “I’ve lost everything; my house, cars, yacht (Um, what?),: everything. The water rose so fast: there was no time to recover anything before it was swept away. (Yeah, yeah, we know) The Ggovernment should compensate us for our losses - it wasn't our fault, after all, and without someone to help us I'll be without a roof to live under. It may require a small tax rise, but hey, what’s a tiny rise compared to looking after the citizens? (You don't know it'll be tiny, it removes the "flawed argument" potential of the clause (see the guidance thread), and it removes some of the political dilemma: if we could spent no money and make everyone happier, why wouldn't we?
[effect] The Government is flooded with compensation requests. These are meant not to start with a capital and contain no punctuation. It's a formatting thing. Don't worry.
[stats]tax increases, crime increases What? social welfare spending increases, economy shrinks slightly, one could argue, I wouldn't, that civil rights increase slightly,

[option]”They want WHAT? (I hate CAPSLOCK)” replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, spokesperson for Citizens Opposed to Government Spending. (Not every political organisation has such an obvious name. A denonym (e.g. "spending-averse libertarian") could be better used here.It was their fault for living in a floodzone at all! Why should the taxpayer have to suffer for people’s poor decisions? They choose to live in flood regions, so (characterisation thing) they should suffer the consequences for it. In fact, why not cut all Government compensation funds Why should the government pay out compensation to this half-brained idiots at all? Stop this stupidity, and we'll all get It’ll give us a well-deserved tax break. If they want money when there’s a flood, they should get insurance, I’m sure the rates wouldn’t be too high.” and hang the expense! Make them bear the costs of their own idiocy! [color=#FF0000](I'm trying to write a more radical character.)[/color]
[effect] People are charged extortionate rates to get insurance.
[stats]tax decreases, government size decreases, crime decreases (Sorry? If anything, it'd rise due to people nicking money to try to survive), economy size increases slightly, insurance industry size increases, social welfare spending falls radically, happiness rises very slightly


[option]”You know what? These floods should never have happened in the first place,” states @@RANDOMNAME@@, a notable architect, with an excited glint in their eye (There might be a joke here about some strange building he's designed) and designer. “They cause destruction and damage; costing millions of @@CURRENCY@@s to repair - and thousands less than we'd ever spend in recompensation.. What I propose is the Ggovernment investing heavily in massive flood defences: levees, floodways and gates. Wall off the seas and lakes! Put flood gates on every river! We’ll have no more floods in @@NAME@@! “
[effect] The countryside is filled with flood defences as rivers and the sea are walled off. Oh, come on! There's got to be a joke in here somewhere. Something about children never seeing free-running water as they grow up?
[stats] tax increases slightly, quality of the environment decreases (Does it? I think this needs to be made more explicit if it does), economy size increases very slightly, happiness decreases infrastructure rises


[option]”You know what? Why don’t we use the cheap, easy solution to stop this problem?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Buildings Minister (Um. Actually, I'm not sure either. Pick something random, or someone who would have this view. Doesn't neccesarily needs to be a knowledgeable person or minister) .”I think the best thing to do is to stop building on flood plains (I'd prefer: "It's simple: just stop people building on flood planes.". If you’re not in a floodable area, you can’t get flooded. Problem solved. Hey, it’ll also please those tree-hugging hippies (Wrong tone for a minister) Who's to complain? A bunch of real-estate developers? Please. Even the environmentalists will be happy - they can have the land as some kind of nature reserve. Or whatever.. Let them have the land for some kind of nature reserve or something.”
[effect]@@NAME@@ is experiencing a chronic lack of space for new houses.
[stats] happiness decreases, quality of the environment increases, tax decreases, economy shrinks, insurance industry shrinks, environment rises as a government priority, economic freedoms fall.

Thanks.


Hope that helps. Sorry if it looks like rather a lot of red. Keep in mind I don't bother doing this for issues that I don't think have a hope in hell.
Last edited by Panageadom on Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:50 am, edited 2 times in total.
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#365: A Busload of Worry

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Postby Mostly armless » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:30 am

Panageadom wrote:My suggestions are in red.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Title: Swept away?
Description:After heavy rainfall caused burst riverbanks and flash flooding in the low-lying regions of @@NAME@@, opinions are divided as to what should be done in response. Final clause ever so slightly awkward.
Validity: Valid for all nations Hm. It would seem that it's clearly irrelevant for certain nations (i.e., one without a suitable environment/high funding of flood barriers, anyway). I can't really think of a clear way of putting it, but maybe it could be invalid for nations with high infrastructure spending, and/or who are eligible for that issue about a water crisis (although that's slightly different...)

Options:
[option] "We need help to recover from this horrible act of nature,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a resident of the flood zone, trying to stop his hands from shaking visibly shaken up. “I’ve lost everything; my house, cars, yacht (Um, what?),: everything. The water rose so fast: there was no time to recover anything before it was swept away. (Yeah, yeah, we know) The Ggovernment should compensate us for our losses - it wasn't our fault, after all, and without someone to help us I'll be without a roof to live under. It may require a small tax rise, but hey, what’s a tiny rise compared to looking after the citizens? (You don't know it'll be tiny, it removes the "flawed argument" potential of the clause (see the guidance thread), and it removes some of the political dilemma: if we could spent no money and make everyone happier, why wouldn't we?
[effect] The Government is flooded with compensation requests. These are meant not to start with a capital and contain no punctuation. It's a formatting thing. Don't worry.
[stats]tax increases, crime increases What? social welfare spending increases, economy shrinks slightly, one could argue, I wouldn't, that civil rights increase slightly,

[option]”They want WHAT? (I hate CAPSLOCK)” replies @@RANDOMNAME@@, spokesperson for Citizens Opposed to Government Spending. (Not every political organisation has such an obvious name. A denonym (e.g. "spending-averse libertarian") could be better used here.It was their fault for living in a floodzone at all! Why should the taxpayer have to suffer for people’s poor decisions? They choose to live in flood regions, so (characterisation thing) they should suffer the consequences for it. In fact, why not cut all Government compensation funds Why should the government pay out compensation to this half-brained idiots at all? Stop this stupidity, and we'll all get It’ll give us a well-deserved tax break. If they want money when there’s a flood, they should get insurance, I’m sure the rates wouldn’t be too high.” and hang the expense! Make them bear the costs of their own idiocy! [color=#FF0000](I'm trying to write a more radical character.)[/color]
[effect] People are charged extortionate rates to get insurance.
[stats]tax decreases, government size decreases, crime decreases (Sorry? If anything, it'd rise due to people nicking money to try to survive), economy size increases slightly, insurance industry size increases, social welfare spending falls radically, happiness rises very slightly


[option]”You know what? These floods should never have happened in the first place,” states @@RANDOMNAME@@, a notable architect, with an excited glint in their eye (There might be a joke here about some strange building he's designed) and designer. “They cause destruction and damage; costing millions of @@CURRENCY@@s to repair - and thousands less than we'd ever spend in recompensation.. What I propose is the Ggovernment investing heavily in massive flood defences: levees, floodways and gates. Wall off the seas and lakes! Put flood gates on every river! We’ll have no more floods in @@NAME@@! “
[effect] The countryside is filled with flood defences as rivers and the sea are walled off. Oh, come on! There's got to be a joke in here somewhere. Something about children never seeing free-running water as they grow up?
[stats] tax increases slightly, quality of the environment decreases (Does it? I think this needs to be made more explicit if it does), economy size increases very slightly, happiness decreases infrastructure rises


[option]”You know what? Why don’t we use the cheap, easy solution to stop this problem?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Buildings Minister (Um. Actually, I'm not sure either. Pick something random, or someone who would have this view. Doesn't neccesarily needs to be a knowledgeable person or minister) .”I think the best thing to do is to stop building on flood plains (I'd prefer: "It's simple: just stop people building on flood planes.". If you’re not in a floodable area, you can’t get flooded. Problem solved. Hey, it’ll also please those tree-hugging hippies (Wrong tone for a minister) Who's to complain? A bunch of real-estate developers? Please. Even the environmentalists will be happy - they can have the land as some kind of nature reserve. Or whatever.. Let them have the land for some kind of nature reserve or something.”
[effect]@@NAME@@ is experiencing a chronic lack of space for new houses.
[stats] happiness decreases, quality of the environment increases, tax decreases, economy shrinks, insurance industry shrinks, environment rises as a government priority, economic freedoms fall.

Thanks.

Hope that helps. Sorry if it looks like rather a lot of red. Keep in mind I don't bother doing this for issues that I don't think have a hope in hell.

Wow, that was much appreciated! Some things haven't been changed (I can't think of things to replace them with.).
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Glad you've taken my advice, but you should have a readthrough of this version. Copying and pasting as led to a few awkward results.
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Better? I reworded/removed some pieces to make it flow.
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Zephie wrote:The ultimate threat to America is arguing about its problems on the internet instead of taking action IRL.

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Old Erisia wrote:Obviously a conspiracy...
... And it succeeded, so that rules out the CIA...

Hydesland wrote:Do the lib dems actually exist, or have they been a figment of middle class imagination for the last few years?

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Yes, and I'd agree with the green. Phrasing it right is the problem.
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#340: Defending Patent Pending
#365: A Busload of Worry

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Postby Mostly armless » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:52 am

Panageadom wrote:Yes, and I'd agree with the green. Phrasing it right is the problem.

How about "says @@RANDOMNAME@@, floating past on a makeshift raft."?
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Ashmoria wrote:one wonders how successful a camp full of gay boys can possibly BE in convincing them not to ...... become romantically involved with each other.

Old Erisia wrote:Obviously a conspiracy...
... And it succeeded, so that rules out the CIA...

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Be my guest.
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#365: A Busload of Worry

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Postby Mostly armless » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:16 am

I'm thinking of submitting this soon. Any final feedback/suggestions?
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Old Erisia wrote:Obviously a conspiracy...
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Postby Panageadom » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:24 pm

Nope.
Author of Issues:
#273: Is our children learning?
#310: Too Little Talk?
#315: Creative Flowers Withering Under Legislation
#324 "Tourism Tanking" Tells Tabloids
#334: Blot Out Bauhaus
#340: Defending Patent Pending
#365: A Busload of Worry

None at present

If I offer criticism on your proposed issue, I will often write in red: don't think I'm being aggressive, it's just a convention I use!
If I ask a question on a proposed issue thread, then it's because I feel it's one you need to ask of your issue: I'm being Socratic and/or lazy.


Supreme Court Chief Justice for Capitalist Paradise


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