NationStates Issues **SPOILER ALERT**

[Trotterdam]

I can't find a drafting thread under the title of "Ignorant Idiots, Illegitimate Citizens", but this draft seems close enough based on content, and was drafted for the contest.

Yes, it's that one. Two of the effect lines are, while not word-for-word identical to the ones in the draft, similar enough that they're obviously from there.

If that's the case, it seems answering 491.3 is needed to find that issue.

Also confirmed already.

[SherpDaWerp]

I can't find a drafting thread under the title of "Ignorant Idiots, Illegitimate Citizens", but this draft seems close enough based on content, and was drafted for the contest.

Yes, it's that one. Two of the effect lines are, while not word-for-word identical to the ones in the draft, similar enough that they're obviously from there.

If that's the case, it seems answering 491.3 is needed to find that issue.

Also confirmed already.

Right, I'll have to keep a lookout for #491 (and subsequently Fauxia's issue) on my puppets then.

[Fauxia]

So, I must’ve changed the title when I submitted (I didn’t have time to post the updated version with Trott’s comments). But the title was actually edited again before publishing, so you won’t find the issue under that name.

[Jutsa]

Alright then Sherp, what's your fifth issue then? Cause between the actual list and in my composite list I can't find any more than four.

[Westinor]

Alright then Sherp, what's your fifth issue then? Cause between the actual list and in my composite list I can't find any more than four.

I think it was Issue #1339?

[Trotterdam]

Looks like it's #1322. The author and editor are listed in the index as "TBD", but they're listed properly in the full issue. The original report forgot to mention them, and while they were reported later, I guess the index wasn't updated.

[SherpDaWerp]

Alright then Sherp, what's your fifth issue then? Cause between the actual list and in my composite list I can't find any more than four.

I think it was Issue #1339

Looks like it's #1322. The author and editor are listed in the index as "TBD", but they're listed properly in the full issue. The original report forgot to mention them, and while they were reported later, I guess the index wasn't updated.

Both Westinor and Trotterdam are correct (in different ways), but... ahem.

[Westinor]

Issue #1360: Ask A Stupid Question? [Fauxia; ed:The Free Joy State]

The Issue
The nation’s strict immigration standards prevent foreigners from becoming citizens without proper education in the nation’s culture and history. However, a recent study shows that many natural-born @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ could not pass the same exam.

The Debate
1. “I don’t see why we need to hold immigrants to a different standard than native citizens,” says test administrator Charles Clean, looking up the weather on the day of the nation’s founding for question 376. “We ought to treat everyone in @@NAME@@ the same and make them take the citizenship exam when they reach the age of majority. If they fail, they can be sent to whatever country their family originated from. If we can’t find it, just send them to Bigtopia; I hear they could use some cheap labor.”

2. “Just let everyone in,” mumbles the laziest customs officer, Ingrid Jones, who is doing a crossword in the corner. “It’s too much work — I mean, it’s silly to hold them to a standard that isn’t there. Just have them pass a basic background check to make sure they’re hopefully not an Ultra-Violetist nutjob or serial jaywalker, then grant citizenship to them and their descendants. If it’s good enough for @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@, it should be good enough for everyone else.”

3. “Don’t listen to that idiot,” counters nationalist speaker Michael Rabin, recently named ‘Most Eloquent’ in the Jingoists’ Choice Awards. “If a person has @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ blood, then they’re kin and we have a duty to protect their precious lives. The only immigrants we should allow in are those that can contribute, so they ought to take the tests on entry. And since the children of immigrants won’t have @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ blood, they’ll have to take the test too. Families should be proud if one of them passes and can live here.”

4. “There’s no need to address this so harshly,” asserts high school teacher Sonequa Wonka, writing an incomprehensible pictorial equation on the wall. “If we increase funding on education, with a focus on civics, there won’t be any more of these ignoramuses. Then the immigrants will have a fair standard to live up to. We could even offer free classes to would-be citizens to help them prepare for the test. A little education never hurt anyone.”

Here's Issue #1360! I'd like to note that upon refreshing that the speakers' last names changed, but not the first.

[Honeydewistania]

Aw, i liked Ignorant Idiots title better

[Trotterdam]

Here's Issue #1360! I'd like to note that upon refreshing that the speakers' last names changed, but not the first.

That's actually normal. I think it has to do with the game needing to keep track of speakers' first names in order to know what pronouns to use with them.

[Guaylandia]

Found the alternate version of option 1 for Issue 1356 (The Silicon Curtain).

@@RANDOMNAME@@, CEO of @@NATION@@’s largest technology company, hands you a 300-page plan filled with incomprehensible computer jargon. “I propose that you let us write our own operating system from scratch. Just give us some large subsidies and a few weeks and we can develop a new set of software that is not only @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@, but also has a more elegant architecture.”

[Westinor]

Here's Issue #1360! I'd like to note that upon refreshing that the speakers' last names changed, but not the first.

That's actually normal. I think it has to do with the game needing to keep track of speakers' first names in order to know what pronouns to use with them.

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

[Valentine Z]

Valentine’s Changelog 010 – Give me the code, Natalia.

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Tak’s Big List Change II. Source.

Issue Master List 0126 – 0150

• Added space between editor’s name. ed:Editor → ed: Editor.
• Issue 0131.1: The world would be so much better - and cheaper too - if conflicts of interest were sorted through trial by combat instead of trial by jury. → The world would be so much better if we were permitted to sort out conflicts of interest through trial by combat.
• Issue 0131.2: The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through trials, we all know that. → The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through judicially-supervised mediation, we all know that.

Issue Master List 0151 – 0175

• Issue 0165: Changed description: ‘Salutations!' magazine → Salutations! magazine

Issue Master List 0176 – 0200

• Issue 0179.3: Option 3 → Option 4
• Issue 0179.4: Option 4 → Option 5
• Issue 200.1: Added Validity – Contraception is legal. Validity set *.
• Issue 200.2: Added option description from TBD. Added Validity – Contraception is illegal. Validity set *.

Issue Master List 0420 – 0439

• Issue 0438: Changed description: the @@TYPE@@ → The @@TYPE@@

Issue Master List 0540 – 0559

• Issue 549.3: Has a Validity: ??? for now. Square-bracket Validity.

Issue Master List 0600 – 0619

• Issue 0612.1: little @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ McFluff → little @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ McFluff

Issue Master List 0720 – 0739

• Issue 0726.1: t-shirt with his entire resume → t-shirt with @@HIS@@ entire resume
• Issue 0726.2: her voice → @@HIS@@ voice

Issue Master List 0840 – 0859

• Issue 0840.3: endometrium, oestrogen, epidermis → endometrium, oestrogen, epidermis
• Issue 0840.3: on the Comedy Network → on the Comedy Network
• Issue 0840.4: The idea of my itty-bitty Victoria → The idea of my itty-bitty @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@

Issue Master List 0860 – 0879

• Issue 0872: Changed description: obvious when the Society of Internationalist Liberal Localist Yuppies came within → obvious when the Society of Internationalist Liberal Localist Yuppies came within
• Issue 0872.2: copy of her book, Jessica in Government → copy of her book, Jessica in Government

Issue Master List 0920 – 0939

• Issue 0936.4: with a huge trade deal. If Blackacre → with a huge trade deal. If Blackacre

Issue Master List 1020 – 1039

• Issue 1033.2: his fingertips → @@HIS@@ fingertips
• Issue 1033.2: eccentric courtier @@RANDOMMALENAME@@ → eccentric courtier @@RANDOMNAME@@

Issue Master List 1060 – 1079

• Issue 1075: Option added. Uncertain as of now.
• Issue 1075: Changed description: Option 3 → Option 4
• Issue 1075: Changed description: Option 4 → Option 5

Issue Master List 1140 – 1159

• Issue 1140: Changed description: one rather competitive neighborhood in any of the states or regions caused quite a stir → one rather competitive neighborhood in @@CAPITAL@@ caused quite a stir

Issue Master List 1160 – 1179

• Issue 1177.2: IFF head honcho @@RANDOMNAME@@ → IFF head honcho Joe Splatter

Issue Master List 1180 – 1199

• Issue 1192: Changed description: schoolchild Ingrid Silk → schoolchild @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@
• Issue 1192: Changed description: Ingrid Rulez 4eva → @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@ Rulez 4eva
• Issue 1192: Changed description: General Michael Barker → General @@RANDOMNAME_2@@
• Issue 1192.1: General Barker → General @@RANDOMLASTNAME_2@@
• Issue 1192.2: Sonequa Gray → @@RANDOMNAME@@
• Issue 1192.3: Ms. Silk → Ms. @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@

Issue Master List 1200 – 1219

• Issue 1219: Added Option 2.

Issue Master List 1220 – 1239

• Issue 1233: Changed description: The Yoshi McFly Show → The @@RANDOMNAME_1@@ Show
• Issue 1233.3: The Yoshi McFly Show → The @@RANDOMNAME_1@@ Show
• Issue 1235.1: Cho Negan → @@RANDOMNAME@@
• Issue 1235.2: Harry Trax → @@RANDOMNAME@@
• Issue 1239.3: Of course @@LASTNAME_1@@ → Of course @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@

Issue Master List 1240 – 1259

• Issue 1246.2: Hunting @@ANIMAL@@ is legal. Square-bracket Validity.
• Issue 1246.3: Daruk Mulcair → @@RANDOMNAME@@
• Issue 1246.4: Urbosa Targaryen → Urbosa @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@
• Issue 1248: Changed description: former stateswoman of @@NAME@@. Unfortunately, due to her long → former states@@MAN@@ of @@NAME@@. Unfortunately, due to @@HIS@@ long
• Issue 1248.1: @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, the stateswoman → @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, the states@@MAN@@
• Issue 1248.1: her concerns → @@HIS@@ concerns
• Issue 1248.1: whom she → whom @@HE@@
• Issue 1248.1: She winks → @@HE@@ winks
• Issue 1248.2: As she leaves, the aide she was → As @@HE@@ leaves, the aide @@HE@@ was
• Issue 1248.2: Myers → people like @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@

Issue Master List 1260 – 1279

• Issue 1272.4: Archer was offering → @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@ was offering

Issue Master List 1300 – 1319

• Issue 1307.1: My son → My @@BOY@@
• Issue 1307.1: says @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@ → says @@RANDOMNAME@@
• Issue 1307.2: his son → @@HIS@@ @@BOY@@
• Issue 1307.4: @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, CEO of NAT-U-RAL Co. → @@RANDOMNAME@@, CEO of NAT-U-RAL Co.
• Issue 1307.4: window of her limousine → window of @@HIS@@ limousine
• Issue 1309.2: Modified Validity: * Set Validity, from Square-bracket.
• Issue 1309.3: Added Validity: Not for Vegetarians. * Set Validity.

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Miscellaneous Changes.

Table of Content – Section 3

• Issue 0993: Drug Deals → Drug Deal

Table of Content – Section 4

• Added Issues 1347, 1348, 1350 – 1352, 1354 – 1360.

Issue Master List 0980 – 0999

• Issue 0993: Changed Title: Drug Deals → Drug Deal

Issue Master List 1100 – 1119

• Issue 1109.4: H2Whoa: @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Utopia → H₂Whoa: @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Utopia

Issue Master List 1360 – 1379

• New post established.
• Added Issue 1360.

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Jutsa’s Big Help! Source.

Issue Master List 1340 – 1359

• Modified Issue 1345, added Validities.
• Added Issue 1347.
• Added Issue 1348.
• Added Issue 1350.
• Added Issue 1351.
• Added Issue 1352.
• Added Issue 1353.
• Added Issue 1354.
• Added Issue 1355.
• Added Issue 1356.
• Added Issue 1357.
• Added Issue 1358.
• Added Issue 1359.

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Comments.

• This post by TalAk is more or less done by Jutsa. I just need to subscript for Issue 1109.4, and that seems to be it, to be very honest.
• Need to continue from here for the next checkpoint: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36662523#p36662523
• I might stop writing who reported the issue first. I do apologise for this. I really do appreciate all the help I am getting, but without searching for this, it will be considerably cutting down the time that I will be using to search around. Thank you everyone regardless, and all of you have been equally as contributive!

[Jutsa]

[Valentine Z]

Also did a small minor change to the opening post. ^^ Now with more resources and linking to other stuff.

Links and other resources:

• You may find a list of several options that we still need here!
• Also feel free to look here, run by Minoa, who works somewhat closely with this thread. Features lots of information, including several issues, options, and their effect lines.
• Trotterdam's list with effect lines and stats. Policies linked at the bottom.
• Easter Eggs Issue thread and guide. Updated version by Drasnia.
• This thread is for issue reporting, but we do have an inquiry thread for unusual issue effects right here!
• Want to write your own issue / see your name in here? Head on down to How-to Write an Issue!
• An old issue a little wonky or not working as expected? Help us fix old issues!
• Got Issues? Hall of Fame! Ran by SherpDaWerp.
• Valentine's NS Stats Trends and Correlations. Infrequently ran! ^^
• List of NPC nations and tribes. More about them, ran by Jutsa!

[Jutsa]

Awh thanks

No real need for the list of nations/tribes though; it's linked, alongside the list of religions and cults, in CWA's last post in the H2WI thread.

Course, that particular post is slightly dated as two of the threads are no longer kept,
meanwhile we have a new thread that is basically an updated version of the last one; with another whole list to top it off.

Still, nice to see this more updated.

[TalAkMaChen]

I'm confused. Nothing new but the cause this time is a changed option order...
I just got #1181 at a feudal nation and got options numbered 1, 3, and 4 (0,2,3 internal) which have the texts of the listed 1, 2, and 3. So either the feudalism option (previously option 4) is now option 2 or there are more unlisted options added recently. Whyyyy

[Ruritane]

#1362: The Trans Panic Button

The Issue
A man picked up a transgender woman at a bar and brought her home, where he subsequently murdered her, beating her to death. In the ensuing court case, his lawyer argued a “trans panic” defense: the shock of realizing he had inadvertently picked up a trans woman sent his client temporarily criminally insane, rendering him irresponsible for his actions. The jury agreed, acquitting him of all charges.

The Debate
1. “This is an outrage!” cries the prosecuting attorney Lucas Romero, while slamming the court records on your desk and then writing ‘OUTRAGE’ in big letters with a red sharpie on the first page. “We cannot let defense lawyers play to the prejudices of the juries. Would we tolerate this if it was suggested someone went insane because they picked up a Bigtopian woman? Outlaw the practice of defense lawyers using sexuality and gender identity of the victim as mitigating factors.”

2. Defense attorney [backgoround=orange]Sabrina[/background] @@MOTTO@@ storms into your office and silently mimes yelling while wildly gesticulating; finally, he actually speaks. “Sorry about that, but you were thinking of taking away my ability to speak freely while defending my clients. My client was already suffering from depression and a thyroid problem and the transgender nature of the victim provides critical context to the defendant’s mental state at the time of the murder. What sort of pertinent information will you outlaw defense attorneys from presenting next? In the end you have to trust juries to decide what’s a legitimate defense argument and what’s not.”

3. “She kind of has a point,” notes LGBT activist Amber Flanders, while affixing a sticker of a rainbow-colored @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag to your desk. “The problem is that there’s so much latent bias among @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ that juries fall for this tripe. Ultimately the responsibility for changing things falls on @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ leaders, which last I checked includes you. Increase LGBT representation in your cabinet and government, sign more laws preventing LGBT discrimination and mandating LGBT hiring, and promote more anti-hate crime legislation. Do what needs to be done to change @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ hearts and minds.”

Issue by The United Mangrove Archipelago of Ransium

Edited by Candlewhisper Archive

There is either a problem with the @@HE@@ macro in option 2 or it is an indicator of something. I don't know which.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I can't help but feel that the issue (1358) is a little too suspiciously close to the idea I have had.

I'm not sure if I can still submit mine, or that it will need a drastic change in my premise since the issues can't exactly overlap.

Of course, to be very fair, that was written way before me.

That's a shame.

Has happened to me as well, at least a dozen times now, often with my own drafts submitted before the ones that duplicate their premises. Often a good idea is going to occur to two people on separate occasions.

I don't feel this author is likely one who needs to resort to plagiarism, given their past quality of output, so I have no doubt that this was an original idea to the writer.

[Heidgaudr]

For comparison, here's my copy of #1362

The Trans Panic Button [Ranisum; ed:Candlewhisper Archive]

The Issue
A man picked up a transgender woman at a bar and brought her home, where he subsequently murdered her, beating her to death. In the ensuing court case, his lawyer argued a “trans panic” defense: the shock of realizing he had inadvertently picked up a trans woman sent his client temporarily criminally insane, rendering him irresponsible for his actions. The jury agreed, acquitting him of all charges.

The Debate
1. “This is an outrage!” cries the prosecuting attorney Hiro Sharp, while slamming the court records on your desk and then writing ‘OUTRAGE’ in big letters with a red sharpie on the first page. “We cannot let defense lawyers play to the prejudices of the juries. Would we tolerate this if it was suggested someone went insane because they picked up a Bigtopian woman? Outlaw the practice of defense lawyers using sexuality and gender identity of the victim as mitigating factors.”

2. Defense attorney Mia Barry storms into your office and silently mimes yelling while wildly gesticulating; finally, he actually speaks. “Sorry about that, but you were thinking of taking away my ability to speak freely while defending my clients. My client was already suffering from depression and a thyroid problem and the transgender nature of the victim provides critical context to the defendant’s mental state at the time of the murder. What sort of pertinent information will you outlaw defense attorneys from presenting next? In the end you have to trust juries to decide what’s a legitimate defense argument and what’s not.”

3. “She kind of has a point,” notes LGBT activist Thomas Graves, while affixing a sticker of a rainbow-colored Gaudric flag to your desk. “The problem is that there’s so much latent bias among Heidgaudrians that juries fall for this tripe. Ultimately the responsibility for changing things falls on Gaudric leaders, which last I checked includes you. Increase LGBT representation in your cabinet and government, sign more laws preventing LGBT discrimination and mandating LGBT hiring, and promote more anti-hate crime legislation. Do what needs to be done to change Gaudric hearts and minds.”

Answering option 3 gave me the Affirmative Action policy.

At first, I thought the gender mismatch in option 2 might be because the attorney is trans as well, but it would be weird IMHO for the defense attorney (who is trying to normalize the murder of a trans person) to be trans in the context of the issue. I don't know if it's intentional or if it's a bug. I might be overthinking it.

ETA: After a little bit more thought, I'm pretty sure it is a bug. The macro at the beginning of Option 3 seals the deal.

[Pogaria]

There is either a problem with the @@HE@@ macro in option 2 or it is an indicator of something. I don't know which.

ETA: After a little bit more thought, I'm pretty sure it is a bug. The macro at the beginning of Option 3 seals the deal.

I fixed it.

[Fascist Voxija]

#1364: Payday Groans

The Issue
Payday loan outlets provide quick loans to financially challenged individuals, but at interest rates far above what banks and other lenders charge. They have become the latest target of itinerant anti-poverty activists.

The Debate
1. “These payday loan and cheque cashing places are nothing more than money-hungry parasites preying on the weak and vulnerable!” declares placard-hoisting campaigner Nomfundo McKinnon. “By charging ridiculous levels of compound interest, they put their users deeper and deeper into debt! You must intervene and govern the entire loan business: set maximum interest rates, lessen fees charged for their services, and impose heavy fines on violators!”

2. “It’s none of the government’s business what I charge in terms of interest rates and fees; this is supposed to be a free market, is it not?” bemoans payday loan magnate Cashius Chekov. “I provide an invaluable service to people who need quick funds, for important things like leaky roofs, bicycle accidents, Eckie-Ecola sales... important things. Charging 40% interest isn’t exorbitant; you can tell by the lines of happy clients who visit us every day! Stay out of our business, and we’ll stay out of yours.”

3. “Payday loan and cheque cashing institutions are notorious for money laundering and other dubious activities,” scowls Chief Detective Wesley Stephenson of the @@CAPITAL@@ Police Department. “Do you know how many phony cheques are cashed, or criminal activities are facilitated through the North-Northwestern Union money transfer service? If you want to help stymie crime, just shut down the entire industry. People can use banks, which have much more stringent security procedures.”

Issue by The Most Ancient and Noble House of Lancaster of Wessex

Edited by Zwangzug

Cashius isn't random. I hope "Chekov" isn't random either, because it would be a good pun.

[TalAkMaChen]

There is either a problem with the @@HE@@ macro in option 2 or it is an indicator of something. I don't know which.

ETA: After a little bit more thought, I'm pretty sure it is a bug. The macro at the beginning of Option 3 seals the deal.

I fixed it.

Ah, alright. Now it apears as intended, i.e. "@@HE@@ kind of has" .. refers to the speaker of opt 2.
PS: Options 1+2 appear to be fully random, for option 3 I also had a male name.

[Fauxia]

#1364: Payday Groans

The Issue
Payday loan outlets provide quick loans to financially challenged individuals, but at interest rates far above what banks and other lenders charge. They have become the latest target of itinerant anti-poverty activists.

The Debate
1. “These payday loan and cheque cashing places are nothing more than money-hungry parasites preying on the weak and vulnerable!” declares placard-hoisting campaigner Nomfundo McKinnon. “By charging ridiculous levels of compound interest, they put their users deeper and deeper into debt! You must intervene and govern the entire loan business: set maximum interest rates, lessen fees charged for their services, and impose heavy fines on violators!”

2. “It’s none of the government’s business what I charge in terms of interest rates and fees; this is supposed to be a free market, is it not?” bemoans payday loan magnate Cashius Chekov. “I provide an invaluable service to people who need quick funds, for important things like leaky roofs, bicycle accidents, Eckie-Ecola sales... important things. Charging 40% interest isn’t exorbitant; you can tell by the lines of happy clients who visit us every day! Stay out of our business, and we’ll stay out of yours.”

3. “Payday loan and cheque cashing institutions are notorious for money laundering and other dubious activities,” scowls Chief Detective Wesley Stephenson of the @@CAPITAL@@ Police Department. “Do you know how many phony cheques are cashed, or criminal activities are facilitated through the North-Northwestern Union money transfer service? If you want to help stymie crime, just shut down the entire industry. People can use banks, which have much more stringent security procedures.”

Issue by The Most Ancient and Noble House of Lancaster of Wessex

Edited by Zwangzug

Cashius isn't random. I hope "Chekov" isn't random either, because it would be a good pun.

Confirming Cashius Chekov isn’t random.

[Grand Quebecois]

Transitioning from #1364, I think I might have found #1365, all the info I have is here.