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Barbarossistanian South Brasilistan
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Postby Barbarossistanian South Brasilistan » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:07 pm

and here's #628


The Issue

Large forest fires are raging across Barbarossistanian South Brasilistan. Tens of thousands of acres have already been burned, houses in rural communities have been destroyed, and the resultant smoke has drifted into Kaiserstadt, ruining your plans to spend the day tanning.
The Debate

“This is just another example of public sector failure,” opines former timber baron and current timber industry lobbyist Kanya Räikkönen. “Put these forests back in private hands, and we’ll have these forest humming again in no time - with chainsaws, that is. We’ll clear out all this built-up fuel faster than you can say, ‘TIMBER’. You can even call us environmentalists because it’s in our own interest to plant new trees, and then cut them down again, of course.”

“That’s just not cool, man,” mutters Heech, of the stoner comedy duo Heech and Hemp. “These forests have evolved with fire for aeons. The problem is Man, man. We need to stop ‘managing’ forests and just let the fires do their thing. Communities living in forested areas need to either move out or adapt to fires. As for the smoke...” He pauses and takes a long puff of something you can’t quite see, then after coughing uncontrollably for a while adds: “...we just need to adapt.”

“No!” cries former martial arts protege and current forest ranger Dirk Frederickson, while bribing you with a picnic basket that was allegedly taken from a bear. “We just need a bit more money. Not just for fire suppression, but for preventative measures, like creating defensible spaces around homes, thinning out logs and small trees, prescribed fire, and arresting potential arsonists. Fires will be smaller and more manageable and everyone will be happy.”

“All this hand-wringing about forest land management is so interesting,” sarcastically comments Dave Bergman, whose family lost their home to the fire. “Oh, wait, no, I don’t care, BECAUSE MY HOUSE BURNT DOWN! Thousands of people have lost their homes and what are you doing about it? We need emergency help now. Let’s take all the money we’re wasting on so-called ‘land management’ and put it into something useful, like disaster relief and rebuilding our homes and communities.”

Issue by The Mangrovian Primitivists of Ransium and The Holy Blue Isles of Tishanda

Edited by Nation of Quebec

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:17 pm

Hmm. I'll bet the fugitive option on #631 is for nations with compulsory vegatarianism.

Death penalty but no meat, I wonder how many nations have that combination...

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Postby Nation of Quebec » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:22 pm

You guys work fast in getting the new issues posted.

Maljaratas wrote:
Aclion wrote:Debbie Eugenia Is probobly random, but the Kone sisters are a reference to the Koch bothers, and Hayak and Freedman are lifted from the names of two economists.

I was aware of the references to those two. I wanted to check if the specific names given to the sisters were random, and whether Debbie Eugenia was as well.


As the editor, I can confirm that none of the names in #614 are random.
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Postby Zwangzug » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:46 pm

Probably a Eugene Debs homage!

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Postby The Candy Of Bottles » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:27 pm

And 629.
Boom Or Bust?

The Issue

As a crime wave grips Ducktrap, a controversial new brassiere, the Hooter Holster, has marketed itself as the ‘modern’ solution for violence against women.

The Debate

“The incidence reports are very alarming,” states Lucy Wayne, consumer safety adviser. “Reports are flooding our offices about these holsters causing the guns to misfire. We must protect consumers and ban these brassieres in the name of public safety! Come to think of it, guns cause nothing but crime and preventable deaths. We’d be better off without them.”

Accept

“YO, GOOMBA!” shouts @@random_name(male), whose ears are still ringing after a round at the shooting gallery. “The problem ain’t the guns or the holster: it’s the user. If women were properly educated on gun safety and procedure, there’d be no problemo here. A girl’s gotta learn how to protect herself!”

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“No, men have to learn to not be violent,” rebuffs outspoken feminist and best-selling author of Chicken Soup for the Schlong, Britney Suzuki. “We need to stop blaming women for the violence against them and take drastic steps to bring peace and order to our society, and that starts in the schools. We must teach boys to respect women at an early age; otherwise they will never grow out of their misogynistic habits.”

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“We don’t have this problem in Maxtopia,” reminds the Maxtopian ambassador and self-titled meninist Salvatore O’Hara. “Do you know why? It’s because we wisely don’t allow women to go out into this big and dangerous world out on their own. There are always going to be rapists and criminals out there. Now if a woman was accompanied by a male relative, friend, or coworker, violence against women would drop overnight. And don’t listen to liberals whining about women’s rights... What about the right of a woman to be free from harassment from strangers, and their right to be protected by their kin?”

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Issue by The rejected realms issue committee

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Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf
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Postby Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:45 pm

632

Dying For A Kiss

The Issue

Hillary Kaine, a 15-year-old immigrant residing in the city of @@CAPITAL@@, was murdered recently. The unusual circumstance here is that her killer was her own father, who had executed her in an ‘Honor Killing’, for sharing a kiss with a @@DEMONYM@@ boy. The father has now been arrested, but he is showing no remorse.

The Debate

“This is what I’ve been saying all along,” says nationalist politician Aphrodite Christmas in a tone that can only be described as a Frankenstein-mix of smugness and fury. “When we let these foreigners into our country, they import barbaric practices. Unless you want us to one day become ‘The Holy Fundamentalist Kingdom of @@NAME@@’, you should set up a vetting process to keep crazies out. Maybe a profiling test that makes sure that immigrants share our values? Oh, and make the immigrants who are already in take that test too!”

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“And who defines this?” asks @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a human rights lawyer who is herself an immigrant. “What happened here was tragic, but we mustn’t be reactionary. Maybe if @@NAME@@ wasn’t so hostile to immigrants, the dad wouldn’t have minded his daughter dating a local! I don’t condone this murder, but the root cause here is a divided society. Throw some funding into celebrating the religious festivals and cultural practices of the world, and bring the community together as one.”

Accept

“Am I missing something obvious here?” asks loutish thug @@RANDOMNAME@@, missing something obvious. “Seems to me that the girl dishonored her father, and so her father killed her for the sake of his family name. I mean, why are we saying that’s a bad thing? How could anyone call that a bad thing?”

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Issue by Palaiologos ii

Edited by Candlewhisper Archive


I don't know if the name in the first option is random or not.

I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:57 pm

"When we let these foreigners into our country, they import barbaric practices. Unless you want us to one day become 'The Holy Fundamentalist Kingdom of @@NAME@@', you should set up a vetting process to keep crazies out."
...So they can murder their own daughters in foreign countries where you can't do anything about it?

Since the victim wasn't a @@DEMONYMNOUN@@, that's about the weakest anti-immigration argument I've heard.

Not that the other options on the issue are better...

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:09 pm

#633 Sound Judgement

The Issue

At a recent international sporting event, Bigtopian fans proudly sung their national anthem: Bigger And Cleverer. Meanwhile, the @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ in the crowd each sang half a dozen different tunes, highlighting the fact that @@NAME@@ still doesn't have an official national anthem.

The Debate

1. "We need to have a grand old national anthem," reminiscences retired war veteran @@RANDOMNAME@@. "It ought to be a strong, rousing tune to unite a broken nation. A proud tune for a proud people! Put in some references to a flag stained in the blood of the enemy: if the unpatriotic moralising minority doesn't like it, then they can get the heck out!"

3. "That's not what @@NAME@@ stands for in our modern age," rebuffs avant-garde composer @@RANDOMNAME@@. "We're a pan-cultural nation of pan-humanity. I've composed an audiotheatrical tribute to the tribe of all life, with whale-song, echoing voices in ethnic dialects, and the laughter of children. I call it The Peace of @@NAME@@."

4. "Riiiiight. A whale-song national anthem? He can definitely 'PEACE OFF'!" replies annoying pun-spitting radio DJ @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of CHORUS we need something catchier and poppier. We shouldn't be aVERSE to a bit of JINGLEISM. Why not let the listeners vote for an anthem? You could call it... COUNTRY'S music. Ha ha, I'm so funny!"

5. "Why not an anthem that celebrates our merged culture of artificial and human intelligence?" suggests @@RANDOMNAME@@, a third-generation cloud-based AI. "If you ask me, I'm tired of science taking a backseat to religion and pre-machine pre-history. I can write you a machine-friendly binary pulse barrage that both sounds really funky and has meaningful data within it if you run it as a program."

6. "The nation is you, dear leader, and you are the nation," reminds the biggest suck-up in the office. "An anthem should sing your praises and be entitled Ode To @@LEADER@@. We can work on the words and the tune later: the important thing is the subject matter."

7. "We don't need subject matter to worry about or lyrics for the plebs to sing," chimes in snobby classical musician @@RANDOMNAME@@, smacking your staffer's head with a flute. "We must create a modern masterpiece, a magnum opus that will raise @@NAME@@'s spirits, a musical composition to define our nation. Summon the nation's greatest composers and an orchestra of the finest musicians. We'll give you a National Symphony and an anthem that will last forever!"

8. "National anthem? Bah!" scoffs resident anarchist and constant thorn-in-your-side @@RANDOMNAME@@. "We don't need this government forcing that patriotic drivel down our throats! Besides, most @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ are terrible singers! That's the last thing I want to hear at a football game!"

Issue by Candlewhisper Archive
Edited by Nation of Quebec

Option 2 is missing. I suspect it's for more religious nations.

Some of the other options are also likely to have validities. For example, option 5 is likely limited to nations where AIs are treated as citizens, and I'm not sure whether 6 would appear for non-dictatorships.

Now, what to pick...

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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:16 pm

Option 4 of course. How can you resist the PUNS?
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Flooby Nooby
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Postby Flooby Nooby » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:00 am

We're missing option five from #633. It's surely obvious why only some nations get that.

Here's the second:
“@@NAME@@ must be defined by its faith,” voices chorister Al Winters, adopting his favourite holier-than-thou smug expression. “@@FAITH@@ indeed has an anthem you can adopt for @@NAME@@: an old hymn giving thanks for one people under @@FAITH@@. With it, we can lift our prayers to the kingdom above, and tell the world that we are a Chosen People!”
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:16 am

Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?
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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:22 am

Tinhampton wrote:Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?

My guess is that it is to emphasize the idea that your nation's education standards might not be quite up to snuff.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:43 am

Drasnia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?

My guess is that it is to emphasize the idea that your nation's education standards might not be quite up to snuff.

It reads "Is our children learning?" in Notices, yet "Is Our Children Learning?" when I get to the issue choices page. Why?
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Postby Drasnia » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:53 am

I got option 2 on #633:
“Drasnia must be defined by its faith,” voices chorister Ingmar van Dyke, adopting his favourite holier-than-thou smug expression. “athiesm indeed has an anthem you can adopt for Drasnia: an old hymn giving thanks for one people under athiesm. With it, we can lift our prayers to the kingdom above, and tell the world that we are a Chosen People!”
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:01 am

Tinhampton wrote:Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?


Just an error, nothing deeper.

Fixed.

Use the correct thread for these things in future please, but thanks for spotting.
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Postby Luna Amore » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:05 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?


Just an error, nothing deeper.

Fixed.

Use the correct thread for these things in future please, but thanks for spotting.

That was intentional...

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:10 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Issue #273 is unusual, in that not all of the starting letters of the words in the title are capital letters ("Is our children learning?"). Why?


Just an error, nothing deeper.

Fixed.

Use the correct thread for these things in future please, but thanks for spotting.

I was only asking as to why it was, as opposed to flagging it!
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:12 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Just an error, nothing deeper.

Fixed.

Use the correct thread for these things in future please, but thanks for spotting.

That was intentional...


Blimey, really? My bad.

...

Really intentional?
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:14 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:That was intentional...


Blimey, really? My bad.

And as for the removal of commas in the four options...?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:30 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Blimey, really? My bad.

And as for the removal of commas in the four options...?


Well, I've done it. If Luna is keen on bad formatting as part of the joke, I guess it can be reversed.

However for me, I think metahumour of that sort has to be so barn door obvious that it can't be mistaken for a mistake, or it doesn't work. Like option 3 on Reading, Your Rights - so in-your-face wrong that its clear its an error.

The problem with subtler humour like failure of capitalisation or misuse of commas is that we actually make mistakes like that all the time, so many are just going to read it as poor editing.
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Postby Luna Amore » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:40 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:That was intentional...


Blimey, really? My bad.

...

Really intentional?

Lenyo edited it that way (this was before my time on the team) and Sanc referenced it as the only exception when he was fixing the title capitalization in the issue base.

I didn't see a justification for it in the original thread, but to me it's that way emphasize that 'Is our children learning?' is an intentional grammatical error due to it being a George W Bushism reference .

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Postby Luna Amore » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:43 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Drasnia wrote:My guess is that it is to emphasize the idea that your nation's education standards might not be quite up to snuff.

It reads "Is our children learning?" in Notices, yet "Is Our Children Learning?" when I get to the issue choices page. Why?

The issue page forces capitalization now by design I imagine. Which may decide this for us. If it already gets force-capitals one place, why not another.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:44 am

And here's me Johnny-come-even-more-lately messing up the joke, eh?

Guess I'll let it be, and we can see if Lenyo would rather change it back.
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:16 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:It reads "Is our children learning?" in Notices, yet "Is Our Children Learning?" when I get to the issue choices page. Why?
The issue page forces capitalization now by design I imagine. Which may decide this for us. If it already gets force-capitals one place, why not another.
That doesn't happen on Antiquity, though.

In my opinion it is a misfeature that should be taken back out. In #485 Really Real eSports Tournament, for example, the lowercase "e" is clearly intentional, because that's how it's spelled, a nuance that a heavy-handed text-transform:capitalize CSS misses. Besides, it's just inelegant when differences that clearly exist internally are artificially hidden like that, and makes it harder to fix things properly.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:36 am

I agree with Trotterdam.

Jeez, that's happening a lot these days. :)
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