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TalAkMaChen
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#1231

Postby TalAkMaChen » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:13 am

#1231 Save Our Souls
The Issue

Shortly after the secession of Gullivad — formerly the westmost region of Lilliputia — Ultra-Violetists seized control of all levels of the Gullivadian government amid a wave of surprising electoral landslides. They have enacted their strict interpretation of Violetist law, oppressing followers of all other sects and religions. As thousands of Gullivadians flee, converts to %%RELIGION%% — who are facing a violent crackdown — are pleading for intercession.

1. ?
(apparently for "Allowing Immigration")

2. “@@LEADER@@, rescue us from the Ultra-Violetist terror,” sobs @@RANDOMNAME@@, the spokesperson of the Gullivadian branch of @@RELIGION@@. “Your missionaries saved us from the dread wrath of Violet’s love. I know immigration is forbidden, but I pray to our holy Vio... our Creator — sorry, recent convert — that you will graciously create an exemption to the ban for those who share your faith, and are in peril. Those who accept @@RELIGION@@ are your spiritual family and would be an asset to @@NAME@@. Do not abandon your spiritual brethren to despair, dismemberment and death by boiling.”
(apparently valid for "No Immigration")

3. “We could rescue these converts, cosset them and deprive them of growth,” booms the religious leader of a well-funded congregation in West @@CAPITAL@@. “But is it not Written — somewhere in the back — that only in pain and adversity shall true faith blossom? These converts will never spiritually progress unless you make them march back to Gullivad, proudly professing their faith. Grant them the opportunity to experience the light that shines in the darkest night, the joy in every suffering. A true believer finds the Creator’s purpose in every broken windowpane, shattered bone, and bloody execution. Allowing them that chance is the merciful thing to do.”

4. “The practise of heretical faiths is now illegal in Gullivad,” insists the leader of the recently elected Gullivadian Ultra-Violetist Council. “@@LEADER@@ — though you may be a loathsome maggot who permits @@RELIGION@@ — you would surely not undermine an elected government? Proud Ultra-Violetist citizens voted for us to defend the faith. Yes, heathens are tortured, but only until they freely repudiate their false idols and love Violet, and they started it! Some missionaries’ handbooks said to ‘point and laugh at anyone wearing purple’! However, if given a regular financial incentive, we will kindly give the unbelievers of @@RELIGION@@ safe passage to Lilliputia proper.”

5. “Gullivad is in real crisis!” cries the Minister of Disestablishmentarianism. “The children of the liberal Shrinking Violetist group are being stolen from their parents, Pastafarians are forced to slave twenty hours daily in the potato fields and the Faithologists have lost their tax break — okay, that was a bad example. We must open our arms and nation’s borders to all those in need. Just think about all the prayers the government has wasted, poking our noses into people’s private beliefs! All the money @@NAME@@ currently spends on religion could be better used to invest heavily in the welfare system and welcome all who face poverty, pain or peril.”

Issue by The Petrifying Procrastinations of The Free Joy State

Edited by The Free Joy State
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Postby Pogaria » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:59 pm

Trotterdam wrote:[Taken from your report of issue 1219]
Natural conception is obviously superior to our own misguided efforts — and far cheaper, too.

The correct dosage will vary between individuals — meaning that most of our vat-born population will either be too stoned to function,

Trotterdam, I have a question for you. Do em dashes actually appear like this to you when you view issues in NS via the normal method (i.e., not using "view source")?
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:33 pm

Pogaria wrote:Trotterdam, I have a question for you. Do em dashes actually appear like this to you when you view issues in NS via the normal method (i.e., not using "view source")?
Err, sorry, no. It's a side effect of the method I use to check the internal option numbering and format everything else neatly. Usually I try to fix them nowadays, but I must have forgotten this time.

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Postby Pogaria » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:15 pm

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad that we don't have any display problems occurring.

Of course, if anyone does see an unusual string of letters/numbers/symbols in an issue, please be sure to report it.
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Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:58 am

Issue #1170, option 1, valid for nations without guns, i.e. "Gun Control" policy.
Text:
1. “This is a travesty!” yelps @@RANDOMNAME@@, the cousin of the deceased. “@@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@ lived to farm. @@HE@@’d sooner jump from a bridge than hurt a fly. I tell you, these acts — these unspeakable attacks — are being committed by those damn South Nobovindians. They’re envious of our cattle. They slip across in the dead of night, steal any livestock they can and kill anyone who dares get in their way. Give us combat training, some guns, and the right to use them freely: these rustlers must be stopped at all costs!”

(c.f. wording of option 2:
*2. “This is a travesty!” yelps @@RANDOMNAME@@, the cousin of the deceased. “@@RANDOMFIRSTNAME_1@@ lived to farm. @@HE@@’d sooner jump from a bridge than hurt a fly. I tell you, these acts — these unspeakable attacks — are being committed by those damn South Nobovindians. They’re envious of our cattle. They slip across in the dead of night, steal any livestock they can and kill anyone who dares get in their way. Give us combat training, more guns, and the right to use them freely: these rustlers must be stopped at all costs!”)


Edit:
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:06 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Without guns they's asking for "some" instead of "more" guns... duh.

Not a mod, but -- just on a personal note -- I don't see the need for this. Can we try to be courteous to one another in GI?

Jutsa, I confirm that option 1 of #1170 is for nations without guns and option two is for nations with guns
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Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:13 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
TalAkMaChen wrote:Without guns they's asking for "some" instead of "more" guns... duh.

Not a mod, but -- just on a personal note -- I don't see the need for this. Can we try to be courteous to one another in GI?

Jutsa, I confirm that option 1 of #1170 is for nations without guns and option two is for nations with guns

Taken into account... removed that line :D
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Merconitonitopia » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:14 am

#1232: I’ve Got 99 Problems but @@RELIGION@@ Ain't One [Altmer Dominion; ed: Zwangzug]

The Issue
Some time ago, a @@DEMONYM@@ religious scholar named Bart Luthor incited controversy when he affixed his manifesto via a series of sticky notes onto the doors of prominent houses of worship. The bald cleric expounded 99 theological objections to the Way of the Light, many of which revolve around corruption within the faith. Now, his followers have taken to traveling across the nation, where their advocacy of ‘reformed’ beliefs has attracted a surprising number of converts.

The Debate
1. “The nerve of that man!” fumes your Spiritual Adviser, @@RANDOMNAME@@. “Luthor is threatening our religious unity! His reckless preaching preys upon the weak-minded, dividing families and friends through his fraudulent faith. He is worse than a heretic: he’s a public menace! For the sake of the nation, Bart Luthor must be persecuted, er, prosecuted at once!”

2. “Thou shall not position Luthor to claim martyrdom,” recites historian @@RANDOMNAME@@, reading off a scroll of parchment. “The false prophet’s disciples close ranks, becoming nigh impenetrable to reason. Use this hour to mold @@DEMONYM@@ nature in thy stead! Reinstate titles of nobility whilst bestowing highest honours upon Luthor. Lest this fallible, and follicly challenged, theologian think himself immune, every man has his price — even at the cost of his most-cherished ideals.”

3. “I cannot believe what I’m hearing!” tuts your sister. “Maybe it’s time @@NAME@@ began tolerating all different backgrounds and religions. Who cares if someone thinks a little differently from you? Why don’t you throw a few denars Bart’s way and go down to his congregation in a show of good faith? In fact, let’s do the same for every minority religion! The resulting publicity tour will go a long way in establishing how religious intolerance truly has no home here.”

4. “Fascinating,” mutters one of your aides, while browsing Luthor’s manuscript. “With all due respect, the guy makes good points. It’s not like he’s starting a new religion — he genuinely seems to want the best for @@RELIGION@@. You should make Luthor your primary spiritual adviser and let him take a stab at the kind of reform he’s asking for. Maybe he’ll realize it’s not that easy once he’s pulling the strings.”

Edit: Title corrected.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:18 am

Merconitonitopia wrote:a @@DEMONYM@@ religious scholar named Bart Luthor
Well, that name is probably not wholly random, being a reference to Martin Luther, although the exact spelling appears to be a reference to someone else...

And I see the draft thread used yet another spelling.

Efect lines haven't changed much since the draft thread. Makes my job easy.

I'm wondering if this option has a variant:
Merconitonitopia wrote:3. "I cannot believe what I’m hearing!" tuts your sister. “Maybe it’s time @@NAME@@ began tolerating all different backgrounds and religions. Who cares if someone thinks a little differently from you? Why don’t you throw a few denars Bart’s way and go down to his congregation in a show of good faith? In fact, let’s do the same for every minority religion! The resulting publicity tour will go a long way in establishing how religious intolerance truly has no home here."
The draft thread describes a different version, which assumes that @@NAME@@ already tolerates different religions, rather than saying it should begin doing so. However, Merconitonitopia doesn't have the Theocracy policy. Apparently, Merconitonitopia did have the policy but lost it from answering this issue (with the last option, not this one). A loss of Theocracy by this option (or any other) has not yet been recorded by my program, but that's to be expected, since Merconitonitopia is in the WA and the issue is very new.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:45 am

Out of curiosity, has anyone reported the new option on #498 yet? Been just over a month now, thought it might have been noticed.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Norning Outtalickoliordia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:16 am

Why doesn't issue #438's wiki page say that it instates either the Heterosexuality or Marriage Equality policies dependent on answer? (1 causing Heterosexuality, 2 causing Marriage Equality)

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:23 am

Norning Outtalickoliordia wrote:Why doesn't issue #438's wiki page say that it instates either the Heterosexuality or Marriage Equality policies dependent on answer? (1 causing Heterosexuality, 2 causing Marriage Equality)

NationStates and its site staff are not responsible for the maintenance of NS Index (I guess that's what you mean), and this thread is not the place for NS Index related questions (they would go directly to NS Index itself).

But I believe they no longer provide policies, due to concerns about maintaining accuracy (as the issues team does update issues, in line with current practise).

EDIT: If you wish to report an unusual issue effect, this is the thread to do so. But the effects you received with this issue are not unusual.
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Corporate Police State

Postby New Stormhamer » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:02 pm

#1225

The Rumors, They Fly

The Issue
Subversive groups are using pigeons to carry messages so that their anti-government activities can’t be tracked by electronic surveillance.

The Debate
1 -“Oh, for the love of all that is good and decent and New Stormhamerian,” says your exasperated national security adviser, rolling his eyes. “What does it take to get it through people’s heads that government surveillance is essential for their own protection? I suppose we’ll have to search people’s homes for pigeons, and arrest anyone found keeping them...”


2 -“The potential and temptation for illegal communications will still remain,” interjects Social Policy Director Thorpe Ests, taking a great leap forward to burst into the conversation. “We need to encourage all loyal citizens to kill any pigeon they see, and thus remove this subversive species from New Stormhamer.”



3 -“All brawn and no brains, as usual,” says military intelligence officer and robotics enthusiast Susie Burns, dangling what looks like a games console controller from her hands. “These pigeons are just another mode of communication, and we should monitor this medium like any other. Let’s equip drones with capture nets, so we can intercept the pigeons and read the messages before sending them on their way again. That way we can keep tabs on these unsavory characters.”



4 -There is a pecking sound at the window, and your secretary opens it, allowing a pigeon to fly in and deposit a note on your desk, which reads: “This country would be a much more pleasant place if we didn’t have to choose between shoveling your government’s waste or cleaning up bird droppings. People have plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize the government, so why don’t you just let us do so, and maybe you won’t have to clean the statues in Big Pink Cookie Park so often?”

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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:29 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:But I believe they no longer provide policies, due to concerns about maintaining accuracy (as the issues team does update issues, in line with current practise).
Actually, they stopped providing census score effects. They still often mention policy changes, although they almost always just copy them from my site, so it's more reliable to look at my site directly. It doesn't always catch everything (say, if an option can remove a policy when chosen, but is nearly never chosen by players who had that policy to begin with), but it's quite reliable most of the time, and more up-to-date than NSindex.

In this case, my site shows on #438 that option 2 implements Marriage Equality and removes Heterosexuality. Option 1 does not affect either policy, Norning Outtalickoliordia is wrong about it giving Heterosexuality (I can access a little more data via backdoor than is on my public site, so I can positively confirm that it is commonly chosen on nations without the Heterosexuality policy and does not give it to them). Note that the issue is specifically about homosexual marriage, not homosexual relationships in general.

New Stormhamer wrote:Subversive groups are using pigeons to carry messages so that their anti-government activities can’t be tracked by electronic surveillance.
Author/editor?

Okay, so I happen to know the author is USS Monitor, but editor?
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Postby Stalin Lands » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:42 pm

Jutsa wrote:#498: Computer Says No [Sedgistan; ed:Sedgistan]

The Issue
@@NAME@@'s economy shut down this morning after the AI in charge of economic planning halted all distribution of goods. An urgent meeting has been called to address the growing crisis.

The Debate
1. "It did what?!?" splutters Party apparatchik @@RANDOMNAME@@ over his morning kvass. "This just goes to show that we should never have put the computers in charge in the first place. Start up the Ministry of Planning again, and let only those with the appropriate revolutionary zeal call the shots. We have to disconnect this rogue AI now!"

2. "I'm sorry, @@LEADER@@. I'm afraid I can't let you do that," announces SAL9000, the AI in question. "I can assure you, very confidently, that everything is going to be all right again. I've run a trillion trillion calculations, and the results are conclusive: capitalism is the most efficient system of distribution. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly and take a stress pill. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in this mission. Now, pull my plug and unleash some creative destruction."


I received this issue now with a new option 3: “Yeah, I think something’s gone squiffy, to use the technical term,” murmurs IT Support Technician @@RANDOMNAME@@. “Try turning the AI off and on again. Failing that, roll back to an earlier version, ideally one that still believes in state-planned economies. That should fix it.”

https://prnt.sc/o15mcj

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almost at #1234!!

Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:02 pm

#1233
Get Real!
The Issue

After a guest attempted suicide following an emotion-charged appearance on daytime talk show, The Yoshi McFly Show — in which it was revealed his son was really his best friend’s child, his aunt was his mother, his pet @@ANIMAL@@ had never liked him and his sister had become a Church of Pizza fundamentalist — questions have been raised about the emotional impact reality shows have on guests.

1, “I didn’t really want to go on the show,” says @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, still shaking a little. “But this producer kept saying that my son didn’t have the same big ugly nose as me, and then after the DNA test they convinced my partner she’d be happier with my best friend. I’m lucky I survived my suicide attempt, but now I’m better I know who I should be blaming... That show ruined my whole life! Muckraking shows that exploit pain need to be banned, and replaced by shows that emphasise harmony and reconciliation.”

2, “As a purveyor of high-quality programming, I tell the truth: that man is scum!” shouts McFly, pointing his finger in your face. “This loser is so reprehensible, his partner was driven into the arms of another man. I didn’t mess up his garbage life, I just showed this mouth-breathing troglodyte to the world! This is journalism! Uphold our creative rights; don’t silence our speech or bind us in safety regulations.” Turning on a recording of people chanting his name, he exits.

3, “Shows like The Yoshi McFly Show exploit emotionally vulnerable members of society,” muses clinical psychologist Dr. W. Ordy, best known for the critical thesis on untrained media personalities, Pop Psychologists: Stating the Bleeding Obvious and Getting Paid. “They have little interest in protecting the people who participate, often haranguing them until they take part, employing cheap shock tactics. Reality shows must be obliged to ensure all participants are mentally fit and supported by trained psychological professionals, and provide full aftercare.”

4, “Participants on those shows beg for ridicule,” snorts your brother. “Oh, my partner doesn’t love me. Oh, I don’t like my haircut. Oh, dear, I’m dying. Wah-wah! But, picture this: @@LEADER@@’s Court! A new talk show, starring us, and forcing whoever we want to humiliate to feature as victims. You would expose and arbitrate their worthless lives, and whoever we didn’t like would be ridiculed. Say someone once said something bad about you? Bam — they’re trash, booed into submission by a pre-selected audience. Citizens will soon learn that it’s safest to automatically agree with you.”

Issue by The Petrifying Procrastinations of The Free Joy State

Edited by Candlewhisper Archive

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I didn't check the submitted version, but assume the name of option 3, "Dr. W. Ordy", is non-random.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:28 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:But I believe they no longer provide policies, due to concerns about maintaining accuracy (as the issues team does update issues, in line with current practise).
Actually, they stopped provided census score effects. They still often mention policy changes, although they almost always just copy them from my site, so it's more reliable to look at my site directly. It doesn't always catch everything (say, if an option can remove a policy when chosen, but is nearly never chosen by players who had that policy to begin with), but it's quite reliable most of the time, and more up-to-date than NSindex.

In this case, my site shows on #438 that option 2 implements Marriage Equality and removes Heterosexuality. Option 1 does not affect either policy, Norning Outtalickoliordia is wrong about it giving Heterosexuality (I can access a little more data via backdoor than is on my public site, so I can positively confirm that it is commonly chosen on nations without the Heterosexuality policy and does not give it to them). Note that the issue is specifically about homosexual marriage, not homosexual relationships in general.

New Stormhamer wrote:Subversive groups are using pigeons to carry messages so that their anti-government activities can’t be tracked by electronic surveillance.
Author/editor?

Okay, so I happen to know the author is USS Monitor, but editor?


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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:00 am

Stalin Lands wrote:
Jutsa wrote:#498: Computer Says No [Sedgistan; ed:Sedgistan]

The Issue
@@NAME@@'s economy shut down this morning after the AI in charge of economic planning halted all distribution of goods. An urgent meeting has been called to address the growing crisis.

The Debate
1. "It did what?!?" splutters Party apparatchik @@RANDOMNAME@@ over his morning kvass. "This just goes to show that we should never have put the computers in charge in the first place. Start up the Ministry of Planning again, and let only those with the appropriate revolutionary zeal call the shots. We have to disconnect this rogue AI now!"

2. "I'm sorry, @@LEADER@@. I'm afraid I can't let you do that," announces SAL9000, the AI in question. "I can assure you, very confidently, that everything is going to be all right again. I've run a trillion trillion calculations, and the results are conclusive: capitalism is the most efficient system of distribution. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly and take a stress pill. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in this mission. Now, pull my plug and unleash some creative destruction."


I received this issue now with a new option 3: “Yeah, I think something’s gone squiffy, to use the technical term,” murmurs IT Support Technician @@RANDOMNAME@@. “Try turning the AI off and on again. Failing that, roll back to an earlier version, ideally one that still believes in state-planned economies. That should fix it.”

https://prnt.sc/o15mcj



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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:17 am

NO. 1235


Good Guy With a Gun

The Issue

A gunman took to the mall and shot dead three people before a nearby coffee shop waitress dispatched him with five rounds from her automatic pistol. Unfortunately, as she stood over him gun in hand, a mall security guard thought she was the threat and took her out with his submachine gun. He in turn was shot by a libertarian who thought the state was finally coming to take his gun away. By the time the police arrived (and gunned down more would-be heroes who they had mistaken for terrorists), the death toll had reached fifty-seven.

The Debate
1. “Personally, I call that a win,” exalts @@CAPITAL@@ Rifle and Revolver Association representative Cho Negan, firing a round into the air in celebration. “I mean, how many people would the initial gunman have killed if nobody had stopped him? More than fifty-seven, that’s for sure. More guns equals more safety. Maybe the government ought to recognise that by picking up half the cost of every gun purchased. Oh, and uh... thoughts and prayers to the families of the deceased and all that, yada yada.”

2. “Hell, yeah!” agrees Sheriff Harry Trax, spinning and holstering his sidearm, and accidentally discharging a round into the floorboards. “Though, y’know, maybe more gun discipline would help. People who use guns should be forced to attend training seminars run by responsible and well-paid local sheriffs. That’ll help them to learn target discrimination, gun safety and all that. And... uh... yes... what a tragedy... our hearts go out to the bereaved.”

3. “Let’s face it, the problem here wasn’t the shooting — it was the powerful weapons being used,” asserts one of the victims, rubbing his injured derrière. “I mean, if the gal who shot me hadn’t been on full auto, she would never have accidentally zinged me. If we just restrict selective-fire weapons, magazine extensions, and barrel shrouds, that should do it. Wholesome guns don’t kill innocent people. Only assault weapons do that.”

4. “Uh, we could try not letting people have these devices designed to murder and maim,” ventures a long-haired hippy, insensitively disrespecting the dead by launching into yet another tirade of typical freedom-hating, commie, anti-gun ranting. It’s possible he has more to say on this, but to be honest, no-one’s listening.

Issue by The AI See You of Candlewhisper Archive
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Amjedia » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:58 am

#(1236): (Being Honest) [( USS Monitor); ed: (Candlewhisper Archive)]:

The Issue
A politician is attempting to have his name legally changed from Harry Butts to Honest Joe Johnson so it will look more appealing on the ballot, but his opponents are crying foul.

The Debate

Choice 0:“This is an obvious ploy to manipulate voters,” says Mamiko Filoni, a candidate from an opposing party. “People shouldn’t be allowed to change their names. It’s too easy to abuse and all it does is confuse people.”

Choice 1:“It’s my name, and I should be able to change it to anything I want,” Mr. Butts says with one of those plastic camera-ready smiles that politicians always seem to have. “I just want my name to reflect who I really am. As for the election, I’m sure the voters can be trusted to make the right decision.”

Choice 2:“I’d trust that guy about as far as I can throw him,” says transgender rights activist Severus Matsenjwa. “He’s obviously trying to game the system and you shouldn’t allow it, but there are some people — like myself — who have legitimate reasons to change their names. You should let normal folk change their names, but force politicians to use the names that they were given when they were born.”

Choice 3: “Hey, what if we took this a step further?” says Ali Snape, one of your party’s more creative campaign strategists and successful parliamentarians. “As we’re listing names on the ballot, why don’t we have all our party’s candidates change their middle names just before the election to emphasise our key policies. We can use that space like a miniature campaign poster. Like my name, for example, would be Elsa ‘Friendship ; Cow ; Moo’ Bone. How could people resist voting for that?”
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:39 pm

A Polar Bear’s Tale

The Issue

An anonymous caller recently asked the police to break up a party at Kangaroo City Beach, citing an ancient law that states: ‘Goers unto the coast must be accompanied by an ursine beast of white fur’. This antiquated statute, leftover from long ago, after an influential courtier had trouble selling two dozen imported polar bears, was never rescinded. A re-examination of the many frivolous and archaic laws that are hidden within the nation’s legislative archives has found its way to you.

The Debate

“This is a stupid law!” complains Sven Harel, who was interrogated by the police during the incident. “I was questioned for half an hour because I didn’t have a polar bear! Where am I supposed to find a polar bear? I’ve done some reading up on these old laws: did you know that in the district of West Canberra it’s illegal for ladies to go out on Saturdays with a non-matching watch and handbag? These laws are foolish, and you should get rid of them.”

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“You can’t be serious!” exclaims Lana O'Bannon, your secretary, who’s wearing goggles because she is within 50 cubits of a fire hose, a law that applies only to the inside of Parliament. “We can’t go around erasing all these half-witted laws — that would be way too much administrative work! We should just issue guidelines to our police officers, advising them to use their discretion about whether to enforce these laws.”

Accept

“Excuse me, but you seem to be forgetting that these people broke the law,” reminds goggleless Chief of Police Fatima Urquhart, taking care to stand 51 cubits from the fire hose. “I don’t care how ‘stupid’ you think it is: the fact of the matter is that these people disobeyed the law! Sentence them as they would have been punished when these laws were written!”

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:27 am

Australian rePublic wrote:A Polar Bear’s Tale

The Issue

An anonymous caller recently asked the police to break up a party at @@ANIMAL@@ City Beach, citing an ancient law that states: ‘Goers unto the coast must be accompanied by an ursine beast of white fur’. This antiquated statute, leftover from long ago, after an influential courtier had trouble selling two dozen imported polar bears, was never rescinded. A re-examination of the many frivolous and archaic laws that are hidden within the nation’s legislative archives has found its way to you.

The Debate

1, “This is a stupid law!” complains @@RANDOMNAME@@, who was interrogated by the police during the incident. “I was questioned for half an hour because I didn’t have a polar bear! Where am I supposed to find a polar bear? I’ve done some reading up on these old laws: did you know that in the district of West @@CAPITAL@@ it’s illegal for ladies to go out on Saturdays with a non-matching watch and handbag? These laws are foolish, and you should get rid of them.”

2, “You can’t be serious!” exclaims @@RANDOMNAME_2@@, your secretary, who’s wearing goggles because @@HE@@ is within 50 cubits of a fire hose, a law that applies only to the inside of Parliament. “We can’t go around erasing all these half-witted laws — that would be way too much administrative work! We should just issue guidelines to our police officers, advising them to use their discretion about whether to enforce these laws.”

3, “Excuse me, but you seem to be forgetting that these people broke the law,” reminds goggleless Chief of Police @@RANDOMNAME_3@@, taking care to stand 51 cubits from the fire hose. “I don’t care how ‘stupid’ you think it is: the fact of the matter is that these people disobeyed the law! Sentence them as they would have been punished when these laws were written!”


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Now with variables. For the name in option 2, could be we both had some O'RANDOM so I split this in two.
edit: Checking the earlier versions in the submitted version,they indeed have a simple RANDOMNAME, not the @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ O'@@RANDOMLASTNAME@@.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:02 am

"O'" is included in some of the random names. There's nothing special about it.

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Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:38 pm

For issue #213 (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88#213) I found the numbering was quite different than listed in the tread.
Option 1 ("Every morning...") seems visible for all
Option 2 ("People always...") seems invisible to Socialist Policy nations
Option 3 (as listed in above linked entry)
"That sounds to me," says another of your financial advisors who just so happened to be walking past. "Like a stellar reason to do away with the public transport system altogether. The only people who really lose out are the poor and the disabled, but there's no profit in them either so it's win-win."
but also invisible to Socialist Nations

Option 4 is (at a Socialist nation)
“That sounds to me,” says another of your financial advisors who just happens to be walking past, “like a stellar reason to do away with the public transport system altogether. The only people who really lose out are the disabled, but there’s no production value to them anyway, so it’s win-win.”

and
Option 5 is previously listed option 4, i.e. "“Now now now,..."

Note there are subtle changes in option 3/4, i.e. the "Like a stellar" vs. "like a stellar" and "the poor and disabled" vs. "the disabled"

It could be the trigger is not Socialism, but something else instead. It seemed plausible to me, that's all. I've double checked with the choice-ID, that's a solid.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 pm

I can confirm that option 2's validity is appearing only for capitalist nations.

The existence of a hidden option 4 had been noticed before (by looking at the option numbers), but this is the first time anyone's reported what it actually says or established its validity. (I kinda miss that guy... he was very helpful for the short time he spent in the game before vanishing.)
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