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[Draft] War Never Changes

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[Draft] War Never Changes

Postby West Barack and East Obama » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:36 am

[title] War Never Changes

[desc] Whilst negotiating a landmark trade deal with the small yet wealthy nation of Nanonesia, a country that @@NAME@@ had declared war on hundreds of years ago, it has been revealed via recently unearthed documents that no formal declaration of peace was signed in spite of the years of de facto peace.

[validity] not an autarky

[option] "Well, that's embarrassing." blushes the Nanonesian ambassador as @@HE@@ hastily fishes for a piece of paper in his bag. "But we have no time to waste. Let's just formalise the current state of affairs and get it done and over with. Let me just quickly write... hereby declares the state of war between The Republic of Nanoseia... and... the @@TYPE@@ of @@NAME@@... to be over! That should be good enough. I just need your signature so we can get back to discussing the intricate details of these celery tariffs." @@HE@@ grins and passes you a messy napkin scrawled with unreadable handwriting.

[effect] @@LEADER@@ agrees to the terms and conditions of peace treaties without even reading them

[option] "Hold it right there!" exclaims your Minister of Administrative Affairs, as he snatches the napkin from the ambassador's hands and tucks it neatly into his breast pocket. He then heaves a dusty filing cabinet drawer with a 'Beware of the @@ANIMAL@@' sticker onto your desk. "Take a look at all this stuff I dug up relating to this war. We can't just let bygones be bygones so easily, there's so many other things we need to iron out before we can proceed with formal peace. Check out this territorial dispute over this island... which sank into the ocean. And this island... which now belongs to Macronesia. But, you get my point right? Weeks, perhaps months of complex negotations and the perusal of ancient documents must be carried out before we can even think about ending this war, let alone starting trade!"

[effect] a century of peace is usually followed by a millenium of peace negotiations

[option] "You're telling me that a nation we're at WAR with are trying to trick us into sending them loads of our resources through this trade deal? They really have a nerve!" growls your hawkish and slightly paranoid Minister of Defence. "A war is a war, no matter which century it was declared. Call off all this heinous diplomacy stuff until the Nanonesians' unconditional surrender. Until then, construct bunkers across all of @@NAME@@ in preparation for an all-out attack. It's better to be safe than sorry."

[effect] the nation has always been at war with Nanonesia
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Postby Democratic Poopland » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:22 pm

West Barack and East Obama wrote:
[title] War Never Changes

[desc] Whilst negotiating a landmark trade deal with the small yet wealthy nation of Nanonesia, recently unearthed documents revealed that @@NAME@@ declared war on them hundreds of years ago. As no formal peace declaration was signed in spite of the years of de facto peace, the two nations are currently warring with one another.

[validity] not an autarky

[option] "Well, that's embarrassing." blushes the Nanonesian ambassador as @@HE@@ hastily fishes for a piece of paper in his bag. "But we have no time to waste. Let's just formalise the current state of affairs and get it done and over with. Let me just quickly write... hereby declares the state of war between The Republic of Nanoseia... and... the @@TYPE@@ of @@NAME@@... to be over! That should be good enough. I just need your signature so we can get back to discussing the intricate details of these celery tariffs." @@HE@@ grins and passes you a messy napkin scrawled with unreadable handwriting.

[effect] @@LEADER@@ agrees to the terms and conditions of peace treaties without even reading them

[option] "Hold it right there!" exclaims your Minister of Administrative Affairs, as he snatches the napkin from the ambassador's hands and tucks it neatly into his breast pocket. He then heaves a dusty filing cabinet drawer with a 'Beware of the @@ANIMAL@@' sticker onto your desk. "Take a look at all this stuff I dug up relating to this war. We can't just let bygones be bygones so easily, there's so many other things we need to iron out before we can proceed with formal peace. Check out this territorial dispute over this island... which sank into the ocean. And this island... which now belongs to Macronesia. But, you get my point right? Weeks, perhaps months of complex negotations and the perusal of ancient documents must be carried out before we can even think about ending this war, let alone starting trade!"

[effect] a century of peace is usually followed by a millenium of peace negotiations

[option] "You're telling me that a nation we're at WAR with are trying to trick us into sending them loads of money through this trade deal? They really have a nerve!" growls your hawkish and slightly paranoid Minister of Defence. "A war is a war, no matter which century it was declared. Call off all this heinous diplomacy stuff until the Nanonesians' unconditional surrender. Until then, construct bunkers across all of @@NAME@@ in preparation for an all-out attack. It's better to be safe than sorry."

[effect] the nation has always been at war with Nanonesia


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Postby Pacific Haven » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:42 pm

Option 1 doesn't need the @@HE@@ macro, as there's no @@RANDOMNAME@@ for it to link to. Other than that, looks good.
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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:24 pm

Pacific Haven wrote:Option 1 doesn't need the @@HE@@ macro, as there's no @@RANDOMNAME@@ for it to link to. Other than that, looks good.


Sure, but there's no reason to hardcode the gender of the first speaker, so the @@HE@@ allows it to be represent both a male and a female even without a @@RANDOMNAME@@.
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Postby Pacific Haven » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:36 pm

West Barack and East Obama wrote:
Pacific Haven wrote:Option 1 doesn't need the @@HE@@ macro, as there's no @@RANDOMNAME@@ for it to link to. Other than that, looks good.


Sure, but there's no reason to hardcode the gender of the first speaker, so the @@HE@@ allows it to be represent both a male and a female even without a @@RANDOMNAME@@.

Ah, I thought it had to link to a @@RANDOMNAME@@, mechanically. If that's not the case, then I have no problem with it.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:34 pm

Does there need to be a formal peace declaration for there to be peace, though?
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Postby Queroquestan » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:33 am

1. I don't understand a thing. When a @@NAME@@ country is at war with another country, why would @@NAME@@ country or that other country make a trade agreement with each other?

2. If there has been enmity with Nanonesia for decades and it is at war, then why is this trade agreement happening? They should negotiate over diplomacy, over defence.

3. Were the leaders of the nation @@NAME@@ really present in this trade negotiation? If that had happened, Nanonesian supporters would have killed him by then.

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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:12 am

Queroquestan wrote:1. I don't understand a thing. When a @@NAME@@ country is at war with another country, why would @@NAME@@ country or that other country make a trade agreement with each other?

2. If there has been enmity with Nanonesia for decades and it is at war, then why is this trade agreement happening? They should negotiate over diplomacy, over defence.

3. Were the leaders of the nation @@NAME@@ really present in this trade negotiation? If that had happened, Nanonesian supporters would have killed him by then.


The answer to all of these: because there's no de facto state of war or hostility between the two nations, war was declared many years ago and the two nations simply forgot to formally end it. But now that this has been revealed, people believe that negotiations shouldn't happen (speaker 2) or are even wary of being attacked by the Nanonesian (speaker 3), as you mentioned.

Australian rePublic wrote:Does there need to be a formal peace declaration for there to be peace, though?


If you don't believe the issue is an issue, dismiss and move on. There will still be the de facto peace just as there was for hundreds of years.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:38 am

West Barack and East Obama wrote:
Queroquestan wrote:1. I don't understand a thing. When a @@NAME@@ country is at war with another country, why would @@NAME@@ country or that other country make a trade agreement with each other?

2. If there has been enmity with Nanonesia for decades and it is at war, then why is this trade agreement happening? They should negotiate over diplomacy, over defence.

3. Were the leaders of the nation @@NAME@@ really present in this trade negotiation? If that had happened, Nanonesian supporters would have killed him by then.


The answer to all of these: because there's no de facto state of war or hostility between the two nations, war was declared many years ago and the two nations simply forgot to formally end it. But now that this has been revealed, people believe that negotiations shouldn't happen (speaker 2) or are even wary of being attacked by the Nanonesian (speaker 3), as you mentioned.

Australian rePublic wrote:Does there need to be a formal peace declaration for there to be peace, though?


If you don't believe the issue is an issue, dismiss and move on. There will still be the de facto peace just as there was for hundreds of years.

I don't never said that I don't believe that this is a good issue. I asked a question
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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:48 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
West Barack and East Obama wrote:
The answer to all of these: because there's no de facto state of war or hostility between the two nations, war was declared many years ago and the two nations simply forgot to formally end it. But now that this has been revealed, people believe that negotiations shouldn't happen (speaker 2) or are even wary of being attacked by the Nanonesian (speaker 3), as you mentioned.



If you don't believe the issue is an issue, dismiss and move on. There will still be the de facto peace just as there was for hundreds of years.

I don't never said that I don't believe that this is a good issue. I asked a question


I'm just saying that if the leaders position is that a declaration isn't needed for peace, then it's business as usual and no action needs to be taken. If the leader feels like something should be done, then they can choose one of the 3 options.
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