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Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:27 pm**

After your administration declared that there are more than two genders, many non-binary rights activists have realized that the nations public bathroom are still separated into men’s and women’s. After being pressured by the LGBTQ+ community, you have decided to hold a meeting to discuss this glaring hole in your policy.

Invalid for all nations that have banned non-binary people

Option 21
Civil rights activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ takes a pink feathered boa out of @@HIS@@ purse and puts it on. “I think there’s a simple solution that we’re all forgetting. Why have separated bathrooms anyway? I mean, it’s basically segregation! Alright, sure, if we made all bathrooms gender-neutral, there’d be more charges of sexual assault and such, but we’re talking equality, not crime prevention! Do you want to be like Blackacre, @@LEADER@@?”

Option 2
Your Minister of Equality tears off his face. Except, instead of your minister, it’s actually noted ‘family rights activist’, @@RANDOMNAME@@ in disguise. “See how complicated it gets when you allow people to think there are more than two genders? Just think, @@LEADER@@, this problem would completely vanish if you banned those non-binary freaks.” @@HE@@ dives out the window after your security rushes to apprehend @@HIM@@

@@NAME@@ has adopted an anti-neutrality policy

Option 3
LGBTQ rights activist, @@RANDOMNAME@@ tosses the pink feathered boa in the trash before speaking. “@@LEADER@@, I think you’ve made it clear that the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ government recognizes more than two genders. It only makes sense that there’d be restrooms for all genders. Of course, it’s not as easy as just adding a non-binary bathroom—there are lots more genders than that, after all—but I think that a little bit of renovation is a small price to pay for equality. Don’t worry, though, I’m not suggesting full-fledged restrooms for every gender—some would hardly get used—just a couple of stalls for the more obscure genders.”

@@NAME@@ is famous for their hundred-room public bathrooms

After your administration declared that there are more than two genders, many non-binary rights activists have realized that the nations public bathroom are still separated into men’s and women’s. After being pressured by the LGBTQ+ community, you have decided to hold a meeting to discuss this glaring hole in your policy.

Invalid for all nations that have banned non-binary people

Option 1
LGBTQ rights activist, @@RANDOMNAME@@ tosses a pink feathered boa in the trash before speaking. “@@LEADER@@, I think you’ve made it clear that the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ government recognizes more than two genders. It only makes sense that there’d be restrooms for all genders. Of course, it’s not as easy as just adding a non-binary bathroom—there are lots more genders than that, after all—but I think that a little bit of renovation is a small price to pay for equality. And some public restrooms need it, too. Like the one in the gas station I stopped at on my way here.” @@HE@@ looks visibly repulsed

@@NAME@@ is famous for their hundred-room public bathrooms

Option 2
Civil rights activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ hastily grabs the boa out of the trash, dusts it off, then dons it. “I think there’s a simple solution that we’re all forgetting. Why have separated bathrooms anyway? I mean, it’s basically segregation! Alright, sure, if we made all bathrooms gender-neutral, there’d be more charges of sexual assault and such, but we’re talking equality, not crime prevention! At least this way, we wouldn’t have to expand pretty much every public building.”

Option 3
Your Minister of Equality tears off his face. Except, instead of your minister, it’s actually noted ‘family rights activist’, @@RANDOMNAME@@ in disguise. “See how complicated it gets when you allow people to think there are more than two genders? Just think, @@LEADER@@, this problem would completely vanish if you banned those non-binary freaks.” @@HE@@ dives out the window after your security rushes to apprehend @@HIM@@

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Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:12 pm**

Before you say anything, yes, I know the title sucks, it’s a placeholder. Titles are hard
I’d be happy to take suggestions

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:32 am**

Although the last effect line is clever in that it's binary, I'm not sure it would fit in the game as an effect line.

Also, I'm guessing you meant "instead of your minister," instead of "it's your minister."

Not sure I totally get the joke of why the last person has a mask on though...are you riffing on the fact that transgender people dress as their preferred gender?

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:08 am**

Krogon wrote:Although the last effect line is clever in that it's binary, I'm not sure it would fit in the game as an effect line.

Also, I'm guessing you meant "instead of your minister," instead of "it's your minister."

Not sure I totally get the joke of why the last person has a mask on though...are you riffing on the fact that transgender people dress as their preferred gender?

Yeah, I figured

Oh, sorry, I changed that part half way through writing it

This was meant to say that the person wasn’t invited, they showed up in disguise so they could be in on the decision. It has nothing to to with being trans

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:30 am**

I accidentally selected the wrong option and now I’m very annoyed

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:58 am**

Vuisner wrote:I accidentally selected the wrong option and now I’m very annoyed

…wrong page, I think

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:11 pm**

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This was meant to say that the person wasn’t invited, they showed up in disguise so they could be in on the decision. It has nothing to to with being trans[/quote]

perhaps make this a little more evident

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:18 pm**

Gender-neutral toilets, even in nations that recognise multiple genders, are
A: few and far between and
B: not typically installed to cater specifically for the needs of the non-binary population.

Why is this an issue for @@LEADER@@ rather than whoever maintains the public bathrooms, other than "being pressured by the LGBTQ+ community?"

Why does the speaker in Option 1 want bathrooms for every gender? This is not the case even in the most tolerant workplaces.

Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:28 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:Gender-neutral toilets, even in nations that recognise multiple genders, are
A: few and far between and
B: not typically installed to cater specifically for the needs of the non-binary population.

Why is this an issue for @@LEADER@@ rather than whoever maintains the public bathrooms, other than "being pressured by the LGBTQ+ community?"

Why does the speaker in Option 1 want bathrooms for every gender? This is not the case even in the most tolerant workplaces.

I’m aware, it just seems rather contradictory to officially recognize more than two genders, and then have a very binary bathroom system. Also, there doesn’t have to be an irl precedent for an issue.
As for why it’s an issue for Leader, LGBTQ rights activists would try to go to whoever would be able to change the system across the nation, rather than like 5 maximum public restrooms. The group who has that power is the government, and for simplicity’s sake, they’d be in charge of making that change

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:42 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:15 am**

Which nation is choosing the first option? That’s simply insane.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:29 am**

Please include an option with regards to urinals

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:58 am**

Also, there could be more interesting storyline leading to how this became a national issue- women often avoid the queues to the toilet by going to the men's toilets, but the one time that men go into the women's toilets to avoid queues, they're labeled as perverts. That would be a far more interesting storyline than people randomly deciding to have gender neutral toilets. Now, of coarse, the main issue could still be centred around LGBT issues, but my idea would be for storytelling purposes

. This could also lead to an interesting follow up issue of whether this applies to new toilets or if old ones have to be retrofitted

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:37 am**

Watch for major overlap with #538, which is more of an issue about women, but the theming and some of the options are very, very similar.

Australian rePublic wrote:Please include an option with regards to urinals

Why?

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:45 am**

Ko-oren wrote:Watch for major overlap with #538, which is more of an issue about women, but the theming and some of the options are very, very similar.

Australian rePublic wrote:Please include an option with regards to urinals

Why?

Because it adds an interesting angle to this issue, and besides, it's something that is commonly discussed when it comes to genderless toilets IRL. Besides, it's something that'll inevitably come up. When designing new toilets, do you build them without urinals, which would take up more space, waste more water and be take longer to clean? Do you build them with existing urinal designs, which would mean fewer toilets for women, or something else? Those discussions are inevitable. Not to mention what happens to the urinals in former men's toilets when they're converted. Again, invitable.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:11 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:
Ko-oren wrote:Watch for major overlap with #538, which is more of an issue about women, but the theming and some of the options are very, very similar.

Why?

Because it adds an interesting angle to this issue, and besides, it's something that is commonly discussed when it comes to genderless toilets IRL. Besides, it's something that'll inevitably come up. When designing new toilets, do you build them without urinals, which would take up more space, waste more water and be take longer to clean? Do you build them with existing urinal designs, which would mean fewer toilets for women, or something else? Those discussions are inevitable. Not to mention what happens to the urinals in former men's toilets when they're converted. Again, invitable.

I see your point, but I think that’d be better for a follow-up issue. After all, it has little to do with the issue at hand

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:00 pm**

Kiddian States wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Because it adds an interesting angle to this issue, and besides, it's something that is commonly discussed when it comes to genderless toilets IRL. Besides, it's something that'll inevitably come up. When designing new toilets, do you build them without urinals, which would take up more space, waste more water and be take longer to clean? Do you build them with existing urinal designs, which would mean fewer toilets for women, or something else? Those discussions are inevitable. Not to mention what happens to the urinals in former men's toilets when they're converted. Again, invitable.

I see your point, but I think that’d be better for a follow-up issue. After all, it has little to do with the issue at hand

Carry on

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:02 pm**

There could be more interesting storyline leading to how this became a national issue- women often avoid the queues to the toilet by going to the men's toilets, but the one time that men go into the women's toilets to avoid queues, they're labeled as perverts. That would be a far more interesting storyline than people randomly deciding to have gender neutral toilets. Now, of coarse, the main issue could still be centred around LGBT issues, but my idea would be for storytelling purposes

. This could also lead to an interesting follow up issue of whether this applies to new toilets or if old ones have to be retrofitted

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:41 pm**

Kiddian States wrote:Option 2
Civil rights activist @@RANDOMNAME@@ hastily grabs the boa out of the trash, dusts it off, then dons it. “I think there’s a simple solution that we’re all forgetting. Why have separated bathrooms anyway? I mean, it’s basically segregation! Alright, sure, if we made all bathrooms gender-neutral, there’d be more charges of sexual assault and such, but we’re talking equality, not crime prevention! At least this way, we wouldn’t have to expand pretty much every public building.”

Why is this person saying there would be more charges of sexual assault? That undermines his own position.

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I think this is a no-go because it does not make sense out of context on the nation page.

Ko-oren wrote:Watch for major overlap with #538, which is more of an issue about women, but the theming and some of the options are very, very similar.

This is worth thinking about, but not a dealbreaker IMO. The reason that sparked the debate is different.

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:05 am**

Title idea: Bye Bye Binary Bathrooms

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:18 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:Title idea: Bye Bye Binary Bathrooms

Thank you so much!
I was getting tired of the placeholder =P

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:13 am**

I still don't understand anyone who would choose the first option. That's just not a realistic option at all.

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:47 am**

Kiddian States wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Title idea: Bye Bye Binary Bathrooms

Thank you so much!
I was getting tired of the placeholder =P

With the exception of the title, have you gotten around to updating it?

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:22 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:
Kiddian States wrote:Thank you so much!
I was getting tired of the placeholder =P

With the exception of the title, have you gotten around to updating it?

I haven’t had the time, sorry

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:23 pm**

West Barack and East Obama wrote:I still don't understand anyone who would choose the first option. That's just not a realistic option at all.

Well, if you prioritized equality over other things, you would

NationStates

[DRAFT] Bye Bye Binary Bathrooms

[DRAFT] Bye Bye Binary Bathrooms

Can I redo an issue?