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Stop the black market and create jobs? How?

Postby Roman Empire August » Fri May 20, 2022 9:29 pm

I have ridiculously low index figures which show that only 40 percent of my inhabitants work and our black hole is only growing, that is, the Black market which now almost corresponds to 30 percent of the budget. Please someone help me, what to do?
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Postby Romanic Imperium » Fri May 20, 2022 11:16 pm

Roman Empire August wrote:I have ridiculously low index figures which show that only 40 percent of my inhabitants work and our black hole is only growing, that is, the Black market which now almost corresponds to 30 percent of the budget. Please someone help me, what to do?


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Postby Radiatia » Fri May 20, 2022 11:21 pm

I noticed your nation has private enterprise illegal - that usually causes black market to grow. (For example, one of my alts is a Psychotic Dictatorship with extremely low economic freedom, but is also top 1% for black market.)

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Postby Fauzjhia » Fri May 20, 2022 11:25 pm

if you want to lower the black market

you'Ll need to lower the corruption and increase compliance.

Corruption is a major factor for black markets
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Postby Lemsrow » Fri May 20, 2022 11:27 pm

Roman Empire August wrote:I have ridiculously low index figures which show that only 40 percent of my inhabitants work and our black hole is only growing, that is, the Black market which now almost corresponds to 30 percent of the budget. Please someone help me, what to do?


The socialism policy largely increases jobs.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat May 21, 2022 5:56 pm

Lemsrow wrote:The socialism policy largely increases jobs.

At the cost of reducing economic efficiency...
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sat May 21, 2022 6:55 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Lemsrow wrote:The socialism policy largely increases jobs.

At the cost of reducing economic efficiency...

What are you talking about?

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Postby Valentine Z » Sat May 21, 2022 8:50 pm

Ta-da! ♥ I will tend to my own thread on GI, I promise. :P
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As for the OP, do note that sometimes the black market will simply increase as time goes on, it's a bit hard to change when your nation keeps getting bigger.

Case in point (note the log scale for both Y axis (Black Market) and Z axis (Pop). The first graph is random addition of data, second graph is largest Employment values added last.
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Postby Odin » Sat May 21, 2022 9:16 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Ta-da! ♥ I will tend to my own thread on GI, I promise. :P

As for the OP, do note that sometimes the black market will simply increase as time goes on, it's a bit hard to change when your nation keeps getting bigger.

Case in point (note the log scale for both Y axis (Black Market) and Z axis (Pop). The first graph is random addition of data, second graph is largest Employment values added last.

How does one even begin to understand these graphs?

Edit: Is employment mostly linked with socialism (which seems to be either on or off) and not correlated with the economy?
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Postby Valentine Z » Sat May 21, 2022 9:22 pm

Odin wrote:How does one even begin to understand these graphs?

Edit: Is employment mostly linked with socialism (which seems to be either on or off) and not correlated with the economy?

The Employment vs Black Market vs Population is admittedly a little difficult to read, but with Population vs Black Market, while not linear, you can see that the BM tends to increase in general as you get larger as a nation. ^^

For the first graph, high % employed are often socialist nations (i.e. not always the case, but a very highly likely). There are exceptions, of course, such as that one cyan dot. None other than Northern Borland. This was less for the OP and more to supplement or counter the statements above.

EDIT: Seems a little likely for that second question. Here's a supplementary graph! The data is randomly added, so it's interesting to see a bit of a clear demarcation for Economy (color map). Bottom line, Economic Freedom and Employment don't seem to have strong correlations, but at certain points, they do affect the Economy by larger extents.
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If I didn't mark my very first graph (the one with cyan-red) with the "Existence of Socialism" metric, I think Employment vs Economy will look like there is no clear correlation. Kinda all over the place. Which is now a bit odd because looking at the red parts, that means nation with -100 EF (total socialist/communist) can be as inefficient as +1 EF (very restricted capitalism, but this is assuming < 0 is socialist, > 0 is capitalist... = 0, I don't know) at those particular spots.

EDIT 2: Here it is again, BM being Z-axis:
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Postby Lemsrow » Sun May 22, 2022 6:48 am

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:At the cost of reducing economic efficiency...

What are you talking about?


Whoops, meant employment.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon May 23, 2022 2:29 am

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Valentine Z wrote:As for the OP, do note that sometimes always the black market will simply increase as time goes on, it's a bit hard to change when your nation keeps getting bigger.
Black market is a hidden black-market-per-capita stat (which can be changed by issues and does not automatically change over time) multiplied with your population (which automatically changes over time and cannot be changed by issues).

The black-market-per-capita stat cannot be retrieved directly (admins have repeatedly ignored requests to add this to the World Census), but can be estimated in a straightforward manner by dividing black market by population, which would be a more useful value to try graphing.

If anything though, larger nations' black market will swing even more wildly than smaller ones, at least in terms of absolute value rather than percentages, since the same modification to black-market-per-capita gets multiplied with larger population for a larger total change. But you'll almost never be able to squeeze black market back down to the level of a much smaller nation.

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Except this one, because that site only shows actual official census scores, not ones that require additional calculation like black-market-per-capita, however simple it might be.

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Postby Valentine Z » Mon May 23, 2022 4:11 am

Trotterdam wrote:The black-market-per-capita stat cannot be retrieved directly (admins have repeatedly ignored requests to add this to the World Census), but can be estimated in a straightforward manner by dividing black market by population, which would be a more useful value to try graphing.

I'll give this a try once I get back home later, thanks! :3
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon May 23, 2022 7:09 am

Here it is! Population (X), Black Market-Pop Ratio (Y), Issues Answered Count (Z).

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For nations with 0 issues answered. May be inaccurate for larger/older nations.
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And as per usual, the distribution graph. Red = Dense, Purple = Sparse.
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I may do a closer analysis another day on my on thread, but for the time being, I have a lot of other trends to analyse and focus on. This was supposed to be a bit ad-hoc, but now I am so into it. :P
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