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[SUBMITTED]The World Assembly National Team?

Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:54 pm

This is an idea inspired by Baggieland's draft dealing with an individual athlete that represents another country for the Olympics instead of your own. This one is about national teams, which is a different thing entirely. Naturalization in national teams is more common than one might think, especially as the question of "Should a foreigner with zero ties to my country be allowed to compete if they are naturalized?" comes up. Qatar is notorious for this in football and handball, while Russia does this for their futsal team.

Description: @@NAME@@ has won the @@REGION@@ Confederation Cup and national pride has never been higher. However, rival fans from foreign countries have accused the @@NAME@@ National Football Team from fielding a team composed almost entirely of foreigners. Sensing the mood go sour, you call an impromptu meeting to discuss the situation.

Validity: must have sports, must not have closed borders

[option]"This is a national disgrace," angrily mutters @@RANDOMNAME@@, your patriotic yet xenophobic aide, vigorously waving the national flag into your face. "Why are we stuffing our proud national team entirely of foreigners? Might as well call us the World Assembly team given that we have East Lebatuckese, Maxtopians, Brancalandians, Macronesians, and plenty of other foreign representation yet hardly any @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@. This is the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ national team, and if we want to show our national pride, we must expel all of these foreigners and make our national team only accessible to actual proud @@DEMONYMNOUNPLURAL@@ who would die for our country instead of a bunch of mercenaries who don't know our national anthem!
[effect]@@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@ with at least 1% foreign blood are deemed unfit for sports.

[option]"Is this really a bad thing?" questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your indifferent aide who has at least ten ethnicities in @@HIS/HER@@ DNA ancestry. "We want to attract the best athletes and if they want to get to know our culture and settle here, then why should we deny them the opportunity to represent us? Besides, we live in a globalized world, and I think it's a good thing to show off our diversity instead of being exclusionary. That's what true @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ values are all about."
[effect]international observers are baffled as to why the @@NAME@@ National Team has athletes hailing from @@NAME@@'s national enemies

[option]"Hold on, I have a balanced approach to this conundrum that might help," counters @@RANDOMNAME@@, your insightful aide that loves to butt in with compromises. "We can't deny the benefits of expanding our horizons and giving foreign athletes that want to play for us a chance. However, we must make sure native @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ get proper chances. Let's fund a national academy to help develop local talent and enact strict quotas to limit the number of foreigners we recruit. After all, a little competition isn't a bad thing."
[effect]the government spends millions of @@CURRENCYPLURAL@@ every year to create a more @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ sporting identity
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:51 am

Paris Saint-Germain wrote:naturalized foreigners that have zero connections with your country
Wouldn't being naturalized count as a connection?

Paris Saint-Germain wrote:[option]"Is this really a bad thing?" questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your indifferent aide who apparently has at least ten ethnicities in their@@HIS/HER@@ DNA ancestry. "We want to attract the best athletes and if they want to get to know our culture and settle here, then why should we deny them the opportunity to represent us? Besides, we live in a globalized world, and I think it's a good thing to show off our diversity instead of being exclusionary. That's what true @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ values are all about."
Replace the striked-through part.

Paris Saint-Germain wrote:[option]"Hold on, I have a balanced approach to this conundrum that might help," counters @@RANDOMNAME@@, your insightful aide that loves to butt in with compromises. "We can't deny the benefits of expanding our horizons and giving foreign athletes that want to play for us a chance. However, we must make sure native @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ get proper chances. Let's fund a national academy to help develop local talent and enact strict quotas to limit the number of foreigners we recruit. After all, a little competition isn't a bad thing."
[effect]athletic kids as young as five flock to @@NAME@@ to pursue their dreams
...Which promptly get crushed because the national academy is for local talent, not foreign five-year-olds who flocked to @@NAME@@?

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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:27 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Paris Saint-Germain wrote:naturalized foreigners that have zero connections with your country
Wouldn't being naturalized count as a connection?

It doesn't count since they don't have that blood nor were born into citizenship, but if you're confused, I could rephrase that.

Trotterdam wrote:
Paris Saint-Germain wrote:[option]"Is this really a bad thing?" questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your indifferent aide who apparently has at least ten ethnicities in their@@HIS/HER@@ DNA ancestry. "We want to attract the best athletes and if they want to get to know our culture and settle here, then why should we deny them the opportunity to represent us? Besides, we live in a globalized world, and I think it's a good thing to show off our diversity instead of being exclusionary. That's what true @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ values are all about."
Replace the striked-through part.

Fixed that.

Trotterdam wrote:
Paris Saint-Germain wrote:[option]"Hold on, I have a balanced approach to this conundrum that might help," counters @@RANDOMNAME@@, your insightful aide that loves to butt in with compromises. "We can't deny the benefits of expanding our horizons and giving foreign athletes that want to play for us a chance. However, we must make sure native @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ get proper chances. Let's fund a national academy to help develop local talent and enact strict quotas to limit the number of foreigners we recruit. After all, a little competition isn't a bad thing."
[effect]athletic kids as young as five flock to @@NAME@@ to pursue their dreams
...Which promptly get crushed because the national academy is for local talent, not foreign five-year-olds who flocked to @@NAME@@?

Alright, changed the effect line to make more sense.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:02 am

Paris Saint-Germain wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Wouldn't being naturalized count as a connection?
It doesn't count since they don't have that blood nor were born into citizenship, but if you're confused, I could rephrase that.
Maybe it's not the kind of connection that a racist thinks matters, but it's still a connection. Considering the entire point of the issue is asking whether or not this kind of connection is sufficient, you can't assert from the outset that it isn't.

Of course there can be debate about what one needs to do to qualify as "naturalized", but the entire fact that you're calling it "naturalized" implies that you think this particular person has met the qualifications.

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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:47 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Paris Saint-Germain wrote:It doesn't count since they don't have that blood nor were born into citizenship, but if you're confused, I could rephrase that.
Maybe it's not the kind of connection that a racist thinks matters, but it's still a connection. Considering the entire point of the issue is asking whether or not this kind of connection is sufficient, you can't assert from the outset that it isn't.

Of course there can be debate about what one needs to do to qualify as "naturalized", but the entire fact that you're calling it "naturalized" implies that you think this particular person has met the qualifications.

I see a player qualified for a particular national team under these circumstances:
- birthright (you could be Croatian with both parents from there but born in Switzerland and be able to represent Switzerland)
- direct ethnicity (a player born in the US but has one or both parents of different ethnicities)
Naturalization of foreigners means you get players with no connections to your country and just exploit them for sport.
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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:14 pm

Made some edits such as the description where the NT fields almost entirely of foreigners (the term naturalized somehow is confusing, but option 2 does mention they essentially recruit foreign talents that come to move to your country solely for sport representation).
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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:59 pm

Bumped this since there hasn't been much feedback in just under a month.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:33 am

The effect for option 1 here doesn't really fit given the context. Maybe something along the lines of "immigrants are banned from representing the nation in sports even if they moved here before the age of 1" so something like that
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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:48 pm

Decided to get back working on this. Made a few minor changes plus changed the effect line for option 1.
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Postby Paris Saint-Germain » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:30 pm

Ehh, why not? I'll bump it once more and start to get back to work on this one.
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