[SUBMITED]@@CAPITAL@@, We Have A Contact Problem.

[Remulia]

I'm not sure if we can have issues proclaiming the existence of aliens to be indisputably true, unless it happens in real life. Sorry

Considering we have issues about AI personhood, and other things we don't have...
I will put this in a temporal suspension, until i think of how to improve this issue, or change it enough to be accepted.

[Remulia]

Ok, i didn't want this to be dead, but i still trying to find an angle to this issue, specially one that maintain part of the core: a probe sent to the NS version of Jupiter's moon Europa finds something bellow the ice that could indicate the posibility of another sapient species.

[Mushroom Gorge]

I wouldn't mention IRL places in the issue title.

[Remulia]

I wouldn't mention IRL places in the issue title.

Ok, that's a good point...

[Trotterdam]

Ok, i didn't want this to be dead, but i still trying to find an angle to this issue, specially one that maintain part of the core: a probe sent to the NS version of Jupiter's moon Europa finds something bellow the ice that could indicate the posibility of another sapient species.

Us discovering evidence of single-celled life on Europa (or Enceladus, or Titan, or Mars, or wherever) is kinda plausible, and would already be extremely exciting to many scientists (considerably less so to politicians) if it were actually proven. A sapient species? Far less believable. If something like that existed, we'd probably already have noticed.

[Remulia]

Ok, i didn't want this to be dead, but i still trying to find an angle to this issue, specially one that maintain part of the core: a probe sent to the NS version of Jupiter's moon Europa finds something bellow the ice that could indicate the posibility of another sapient species.

Us discovering evidence of single-celled life on Europa (or Enceladus, or Titan, or Mars, or wherever) is kinda plausible, and would already be extremely exciting to many scientists (considerably less so to politicians) if it were actually proven. A sapient species? Far less believable. If something like that existed, we'd probably already have noticed.

1) Ok, that's an angle i could take to the issue.
2) If i understand correctly your claim, i don't think civilizations like ours could be developed under water, so, any sapient species on Europa would be stuck in the stone age.

[Trotterdam]

1) Ok, that's an angle i could take to the issue.

The problem is, so what? Definitive discovery of extraterrestrial single-celled life would be extremely exciting to scientists, and interested laymen, but it doesn't really prompt any political decisions other than "should we spend more taxpayer money researching this?", and we already have a lot of issues of that nature.

2) If i understand correctly your claim, i don't think civilizations like ours could be developed under water, so, any sapient species on Europa would be stuck in the stone age.

I'm dubious about that. I understand that metallurgy-as-we-know-it requires fire and fire doesn't work underwater, but at the same time I'm wary of assuming that a species just as intelligent as us wouldn't be able to figure something out. Even humans stayed in the Stone Age for tens of thousands of years before we managed to figure out metallurgy (even if you start counting only after the end of the Ice Age, it's still several thousand years), and we just never had a reason to spend anywhere near that long trying to figure out underwater metallurgy, or much of underwater anything, so even though I have no idea how it might be done, I hesitate to say that it isn't possible. Still, this isn't really the right place to discuss that.

More importantly, even Stone Age civilizations still built cities that could be detected from orbit (technically, the Aztecs were Stone Age!), and even before we started building cities, our planet was covered in forests and grasslands that would have been obviously recognizable to anyone in the same solar system with a decent telescope.

Life on Europa or Enceladus might have an easier time hiding due to lying under a think layer of ice, but that same layer of ice would greatly limit the amount of energy the biosphere has access to, making it unlikely it could evolve anywhere near as fast as us. So even if there's life there, it's probably still primitive compared to Earth's.

For that matter, Titan, though more Earthlike than Enceladus, likewise would be starved for energy simply because it's so much farther than the sun. But if any serious macroscopic life did exist on Titan, we would have noticed already, yet there remains a tantalizing possibility of microscopic life there.

[Remulia]

1) Ok, that's an angle i could take to the issue.

The problem is, so what? Definitive discovery of extraterrestrial single-celled life would be extremely exciting to scientists, and interested laymen, but it doesn't really prompt any political decisions other than "should we spend more taxpayer money researching this?", and we already have a lot of issues of that nature.

2) If i understand correctly your claim, i don't think civilizations like ours could be developed under water, so, any sapient species on Europa would be stuck in the stone age.

I'm dubious about that. I understand that metallurgy-as-we-know-it requires fire and fire doesn't work underwater, but at the same time I'm wary of assuming that a species just as intelligent as us wouldn't be able to figure something out. Even humans stayed in the Stone Age for tens of thousands of years before we managed to figure out metallurgy (even if you start counting only after the end of the Ice Age, it's still several thousand years), and we just never had a reason to spend anywhere near that long trying to figure out underwater metallurgy, or much of underwater anything, so even though I have no idea how it might be done, I hesitate to say that it isn't possible. Still, this isn't really the right place to discuss that.

More importantly, even Stone Age civilizations still built cities that could be detected from orbit (technically, the Aztecs were Stone Age!), and even before we started building cities, our planet was covered in forests and grasslands that would have been obviously recognizable to anyone in the same solar system with a decent telescope.

Life on Europa or Enceladus might have an easier time hiding due to lying under a think layer of ice, but that same layer of ice would greatly limit the amount of energy the biosphere has access to, making it unlikely it could evolve anywhere near as fast as us. So even if there's life there, it's probably still primitive compared to Earth's.

For that matter, Titan, though more Earthlike than Enceladus, likewise would be starved for energy simply because it's so much farther than the sun. But if any serious macroscopic life did exist on Titan, we would have noticed already, yet there remains a tantalizing possibility of microscopic life there.

Interesting: maybe the scientists found not only microbes, but also simple multicelular life, and wants the government to increase their budget to search for a sapient creature...with other groups taking different approaches, or being in opposition with the first scientists.
I need to organize that idea to have an issue i could submit.

[Trotterdam]

Interesting: maybe the scientists found not only microbes, but also simple multicelular life, and wants the government to increase their budget to search for a sapient creature...

If we found trichordates, we would not be thinking "there must be something sapient just around the corner". Also, you seriously underestimate how interesting trichordates would be to scientists. They wouldn't just immediately dismiss them in order to go look for something else that probably doesn't even exist.

[Khardsland]

If this issue is implemented, we shall set a new precedent for issue writers. Hell, I might even get an issue series idea from this.

[Remulia]

This is just a revised version of the issue, some criticism and ideas are accepted.
[Tiltle]: @@CAPITAL@@, We Have A Contact Problem.

[Desc]: After the @@DEMONYNMADJECTIVE@@ probe called Traveller drilled a hole in the ice sheet of "Europia", a moon of the planet JupitAAH, scientists around the world have been amazed by the images that the probe has taken about the lifeforms that inhabit there. Not only there are bacteria, but also simple multicellular organisms thriving. When you think that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, you recieve a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested in what would you say about those news.

[Validity]: Nations that have a Space Program

[Option 1]:"This is a great opportunity to the scientific world " Says Professor @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@ @@ANIMAL@@, the most prominent scientists in @@NAME@@, while @@HE@@ is wearing a a lab coat covered in a mysterious glowing green substance that may or may not moved when you were looking "This is a complete alien ecosystem we can investigate, sure, there are not as complex as Earth animals, but still...give us a lot of funds to begin our investigations on that ecosystem, we don't know what marvels are in that icy moon "
[Effect]: 25% of the budget is spent in studies about space worms.


[Option 2]: "Why we should stop there?", responds Doctor Karl Arthur, a famous ufologist, that is wearing a hat that looks like a flying saucer, with everything and alien include "If there is an ecosystem in Europia, maybe there is intelligent life there. Just the fact that we found simple life doesn't prove that a sapient entity is imposible, is like a probe descent to a desert and only find a lizard. Does that means that our planet only have primitive life? No? We need to contact that other civilization that shares our solar system now!!!"
[Effect]: the search of alien intelligence has reach new heights in @@NAME@@

[Option 3]: Bishop Random Name, a famous pastor of a minor @@FAITH@@ sect known as 'Damsewitgoud', who has been classified as 'a dangerous fanatic gang' by other denominations, suddenly enters through a window. "The creatures you are talking about aren't real: they are Demons who are there to confuse the minds of the good people and make them fall into sin!!We must take the war against those impious entities,and destroy that moon! Only then can we save the world from the threat of Satan. "
[Effect]: the War Of The Worlds has begun.

[Khardsland]

Hey there, a couple of issues with your draft.

[Desc]: After the @@DEMONYNMADJECTIVE@@ probe called Traveller drilled a hole in the ice sheet of "Europia", a moon of the planet JupitAAH, scientists around the world have been amazed by the images that the probe has taken about the lifeforms that inhabit there. Not only there are bacteria, but also simple multicellular organisms thriving. When you think that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, you recieve a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested in what would you say about those news.

'Not only there are bacteria, but also simple multicellular organisms thriving' should be replaced with 'Bacteria, as well as various simple multicellular organisms, thrive on the moon' for the sake of grammar.
'When you think that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, you recieve a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested in what would you say about those news' should be replaced with 'It was expected that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, but just then, you receive a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested about your stance on the news' for the sake of player autonomy and grammar.

[Option 1]:"This is a great opportunity for the scientific world", proclaims Professor @@randomfirstname@@ @@animal@@, the most prominent scientist in @@NAME@@, while wearing a lab coat covered in a mysteriously glowing green substance that may or may not have moved while you were looking. "This is a completely alien ecosystem for us to investigate", @@he@@ adds. "Sure...they are not as complex as @@region@@ animals, but still...give us the funds to begin our investigations on that ecosystem. We don't know what marvels lurk in that icy moon!"

Option 1 had so many glaring errors that I decided to just FIFY.

[Option 2]: "Why should we stop there?", responds Dr. @@randomname1@@, a famous ufologist, wearing a hat that looks like a flying saucer, with everything alien included. "If we found simple life there, this proves that a sapient entity is possible. It is as if a probe descended into a desert in @@region@@ and we only find a lizard. Does that mean that @@region@@ only has primitive life? No!", @@he@@ rambles. "We need to establish contact with every civilization that shares our solar system...NOW!"
[Effect]: the search for alien intelligence has reached new heights in @@NAME@@

Same situation in Option 2

[Option 3]: Bishop Random Name, a famous pastor of a minor @@FAITH@@ sect known as 'Damsewitgoud', who has been classified as 'a dangerous fanatic gang' by other denominations, suddenly enters through a window. "The creatures you are talking about aren't real: they are Demons who are there to confuse the minds of the good people and make them fall into sin! We must take the war against those impious entities, and destroy that moon! Only then can we save the world from the threat of Satan. "
[Effect]: the War Of The Worlds has begun.

'Random Name' becomes '@@randomname@@' and 'of a minor @@FAITH@@ sect' becomes 'for a minor sect of @@faith'. Also, 'who has been classified' should become 'which has been classified. Also, replace the colon with a semi-colon. Finally, fallout text should always be in lowercase.

[Remulia]

Hey there, a couple of issues with your draft.

[Desc]: After the @@DEMONYNMADJECTIVE@@ probe called Traveller drilled a hole in the ice sheet of "Europia", a moon of the planet JupitAAH, scientists around the world have been amazed by the images that the probe has taken about the lifeforms that inhabit there. Not only there are bacteria, but also simple multicellular organisms thriving. When you think that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, you recieve a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested in what would you say about those news.

'Not only there are bacteria, but also simple multicellular organisms thriving' should be replaced with 'Bacteria, as well as various simple multicellular organisms, thrive on the moon' for the sake of grammar.
'When you think that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, you recieve a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested in what would you say about those news' should be replaced with 'It was expected that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, but just then, you receive a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested about your stance on the news' for the sake of player autonomy and grammar.

Oh, ok, i will fix that...

[Option 1]:"This is a great opportunity for the scientific world", proclaims Professor @@randomfirstname@@ @@animal@@, the most prominent scientist in @@NAME@@, while wearing a lab coat covered in a mysteriously glowing green substance that may or may not have moved while you were looking. "This is a completely alien ecosystem for us to investigate", @@he@@ adds. "Sure...they are not as complex as @@region@@ animals, but still...give us the funds to begin our investigations on that ecosystem. We don't know what marvels lurk in that icy moon!"

Option 1 had so many glaring errors that I decided to just FIFY.

[Option 2]: "Why should we stop there?", responds Dr. @@randomname1@@, a famous ufologist, wearing a hat that looks like a flying saucer, with everything alien included. "If we found simple life there, this proves that a sapient entity is possible. It is as if a probe descended into a desert in @@region@@ and we only find a lizard. Does that mean that @@region@@ only has primitive life? No!", @@he@@ rambles. "We need to establish contact with every civilization that shares our solar system...NOW!"
[Effect]: the search for alien intelligence has reached new heights in @@NAME@@

Same situation in Option 2

Thank you...i'm embarassed about it.

[Option 3]: Bishop Random Name, a famous pastor of a minor @@FAITH@@ sect known as 'Damsewitgoud', who has been classified as 'a dangerous fanatic gang' by other denominations, suddenly enters through a window. "The creatures you are talking about aren't real: they are Demons who are there to confuse the minds of the good people and make them fall into sin! We must take the war against those impious entities, and destroy that moon! Only then can we save the world from the threat of Satan. "
[Effect]: the War Of The Worlds has begun.

'Random Name' becomes '@@randomname@@' and 'of a minor @@FAITH@@ sect' becomes 'for a minor sect of @@faith'. Also, 'who has been classified' should become 'which has been classified. Also, replace the colon with a semi-colon. Finally, fallout text should always be in lowercase.

So, you have to use the @@Randomname@@ always, and not "fixed" names? Oh, i wanted a guy called "Random Name", ok, i'll have a lot of work to do.

Done...

[Stella Nera]

Unsurprisingly for many people, I request a human supremacist option! Like option two but even more human supremacist!

[Mushroom Gorge]

Unsurprisingly for many people, I request a human supremacist option! Like option two but even more human supremacist!

Never! Humans must sacrifice themselves for the greater good!

[Khardsland]

So, you have to use the @@Randomname@@ always, and not "fixed" names? Oh, i wanted a guy called "Random Name", ok, i'll have a lot of work to do.

Well, now that you've stated your intentions, I take that back. While fixed names are certainly welcome, I personally don't understand the appeal to 'Random Name' being a fixed name. If it means that much to you, let it be - but I doubt the mods will think the same.

[Khardsland]

Hey there, I just wanted to chime in and say that variables and fallout lines are always in lowercase. EG: It is @@animal@@ and not @@ANIMAL@@

[Remulia]

Hey there, I just wanted to chime in and say that variables and fallout lines are always in lowercase. EG: It is @@animal@@ and not @@ANIMAL@@

Edited..I decided to let the name of the Bishop unchanged, and instead, made a fixed name for the ufologist in option 2...

@@CAPITAL@@, We Have A Contact Problem.

[Desc]: After the @@DEMONYNMADJECTIVE@@ probe called Traveller drilled a hole in the ice sheet of "Europia", a moon of the planet JupitAAH, scientists around the world have been amazed by the images that the probe has taken about the lifeforms that inhabit there. Bacteria, as well as various simple multicellular organisms, thrive on the moon. It was expected that the discovery would be confined to the scientific circle, but just then, you receive a visit from a peculiar group of people, interested about your stance on the news.

[Validity]: Nations that have a Space Program

[Option 1]:"This is a great opportunity for the scientific world", proclaims Professor @@randomfirstname@@ @@demonym@@, the most prominent scientist in @@name@@, while wearing a lab coat covered in a mysteriously glowing green substance that may or may not have moved while you were looking. "This is a completely alien ecosystem for us to investigate", @@he@@ adds. "Sure...they are not as complex as @@region@@ animals, but still...give us the funds to begin our investigations on that ecosystem. We don't know what marvels lurk in that icy moon!"
[Effect]: 25% of the budget is spent in studies about space worms.

[Option 2]: "Why should we stop there?", responds Dr. Gorgiu Lon Picke, a famous ufologist, wearing a hat that looks like a flying saucer, with an alien pilot included. "If we found simple life there, this proves that a sapient entity is possible. It is as if a probe descended into a desert in @@region@@ and we only find a lizard. Does that mean that @@region@@ only has primitive life? No!", @@he@@ rambles. "We need to establish contact with every civilization that shares our solar system...NOW!"
[Effect]: the search for alien intelligence has reached new heights in @@name@@

[Option 3]: Bishop @@animal@@, a famous pastor for a minor sect of @@faith@@ known as 'Damsewitgoud', which has been classified as 'a dangerous fanatic gang' by other denominations, suddenly enters through a window. "The creatures you are talking about aren't real; they are Demons who are there to confuse the minds of the good people and make them fall into sin!!We must take the war against those impious entities,and destroy that moon! Only then can we save the world from the threat of Satan. "
[Effect]: the war of the worlds has begun.

[Remulia]

Ok, i submited this, wish me luck. Pray for me, if they don't accept this, back to the Draft Table.

[Mushroom Gorge]

Good luck

[Tinhampton]

I'm aware I'm late to the party, but why is "JupitAAH" called that?

[Haganham]

aww, missed opportunity for "Brrropia an icy moon of the planet"...

[Remulia]

I'm aware I'm late to the party, but why is "JupitAAH" called that?

I wanted to make clear that i was talking about a moon in our solar system, and because NS issues usually have some humor...What's more funny than a planet called JupitAAH?.

aww, missed opportunity for "Brrropia an icy moon of the planet"...

Ok, i admit that was fun, but i wanted that moon to have the similar moftit of Europa, so, like the later, the former should sound almost similar to a region in NS.