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Socialism and Limited Private Enterprise

Postby New Anderia » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:08 am

Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this question.

I'm trying to shape up my nation's economy into something vaguely similar to China, or even Belarus with the majority of major industries being State-Owned Enterprises while less important industries are allowed to be Privately Owned and tightly regulated. Currently, I have the policy Socialism, which I understand automatically debuffs your Economic Freedom stat and "makes private enterprise illegal." But I'm not clear on whether that's an actual cosmetic game rule or not. Is there any combination of the Socialism policy with higher Economic Freedom and Business Subsidization stats that would allow my pie chart to include a small portion of Private Enterprise, or would I have to ditch the policy in order to get that?
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:58 am

For that goal you need the opposite: very low Economic Freedom score, but no Socialism policy.

Socialism here means no private enterprise, period.

(It is possible to have Socialism with relatively high Economic Freedom, but I think that reflects a communist economy based on worker-owned collectives rather than central government planning, not privately-owned corporations as they function in capitalist countries.)

That said, if the role of private enterprise in your economy is very minor, you might prefer to just keep Socialism and roleplay the nuances without trying to represent them under the game's limited mechanics.

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Postby New Anderia » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:29 am

Trotterdam wrote:For that goal you need the opposite: very low Economic Freedom score, but no Socialism policy.

Socialism here means no private enterprise, period.

(It is possible to have Socialism with relatively high Economic Freedom, but I think that reflects a communist economy based on worker-owned collectives rather than central government planning, not privately-owned corporations as they function in capitalist countries.)

That said, if the role of private enterprise in your economy is very minor, you might prefer to just keep Socialism and roleplay the nuances without trying to represent them under the game's limited mechanics.

That's... unfortunate, to say the least. Is there any way to remove the Socialism policy without explicitly adopting the Capitalist policy at least? If not (which is some seriously questionable game design in my opinion) I'll probably just have to lean into the worker-owned enterprise framing as that's not entirely off base for what I have in mind...
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:56 am

New Anderia wrote:That's... unfortunate, to say the least. Is there any way to remove the Socialism policy without explicitly adopting the Capitalist policy at least?
No, the "Capitalism" policy is just a synonym for "does not have Socialism".

In spirit, however, you may appreciate #152 option 3, if you get lucky enough to get it.

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Postby New Anderia » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:56 am

Trotterdam wrote:No, the "Capitalism" policy is just a synonym for "does not have Socialism".

In spirit, however, you may appreciate #152 option 3, if you get lucky enough to get it.

Alright, well thank you for the information and advice, I appreciate it.
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