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Minskiev
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[DRAFT] Knowledge is Power

Postby Minskiev » Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:02 pm

I'm not sure if this works, just throwing it out there.

[title] Knowledge is Power
[description] After your nephew used Kwikipedia as his only source for his 8th-grade final history project, he failed his course. An overworked teacher, overworked Kwikipedia editor, and an "overworked" nephew have met in your office to talk about it.

[option1] "If a child doesn't do well on their final project, they fail my course. Simple as that," mutters @@RANDOMNAME@@, your nephew's teacher, rubbing @@HIS@@ eyes. "I don't care if he has your blood; them's the rules. We also need to teach our kids what information is trustworthy and what isn't, although that'd include a payraise for the added material into the curriculum." @@HE@@ yawns.
[effect1] your nephew's new Wkikipedia "trustworthy encyclopedia" is wildly successful among people ages 12 to 17

[option2] "It's not our fault Kwikipedia isn't 100% accurate!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, the editor-in-chief of Kwikipedia, stretching for the first time in a month. "Some of us, like myself, are exceedingly vigilant at researching for all sorts of articles! It's only a few of us that provide incorrect information. We even tell people that not all our pages are accurate and that some information is biased. If the government bought us, I'd be employed again, and all information would be correct!"
[effect2] the Kwikipedia page on @@LEADER@@ describes them as a 10-foot deity with an IQ of 300

[option3] "Why won't anyone listen to me!" screams your nephew, @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, who's constantly whining. "You promised I'd get into that school! How was I supposed to know that Smalltopia didn't visit the Maxtians in space 20 years ago! Schools need to treat me better; exempt your family from having to deal with any hardships!"
[effect3] @@LEADER@@'s 21st cousin lives on a yacht off the coast of Manamana
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:08 pm

The opening is longwinded, and presents too much of an a priori value judgement on the situation. Also, why would one child failing to make it into a school cause another to do so as well?

Also, Wiktionary? Don't you mean Wikipedia? Wiktionary is a dictionary, it's obvious that it's not a useful source for anything too in-depth.

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Postby Minskiev » Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:12 pm

Trotterdam wrote:The opening is longwinded, and presents too much of an a priori value judgement on the situation. Also, why would one child failing to make it into a school cause another to do so as well?

Also, Wiktionary? Don't you mean Wikipedia? Wiktionary is a dictionary, it's obvious that it's not a useful source for anything too in-depth.


It was supposed to be my knockoff Wikipedia but it got pointed out to me that it's a real thing. The logic was the seat was held for the nephew, and so since it wasn't used, it would be taking a seat away from someone else.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:41 pm

Why is the Walruspedia editor unemployed, and how is it your problem that a school is too disorganized to have a waitlist for admissions?
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Postby Minskiev » Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:13 am

USS Monitor wrote:Why is the Walruspedia editor unemployed, and how is it your problem that a school is too disorganized to have a waitlist for admissions?


a) they're too busy editing Walruspedia articles and b) there wasn't a waitlist for the nephew's spot, it was reserved
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:28 pm

I cannot think of a single school in the real world - "prestigious" or otherwise - that reserves non-guaranteed places for particular students (or, correspondingly, would happily accept a shortfall in student numbers simply because those "particular students" cannot meet the requirements to claim their reserved places at the school).

What is to say that @@RANDOMNAME_1@@'s daughter would be admitted into "a prestigious high school" even if it did not reserve a non-guaranteed place for @@LEADER@@'s nephew? If "there wasn't a waitlist for the nephew's spot, it was reserved," then there is no way that "with all the regulations and bureaucracy and lack of funding, we couldn't adjust in time to correct that error so that this poor girl couldn't be enrolled" as @@RANDOMNAME_2@@ asserts.

RE "Walruspedia:" Issue #764 "Dude, Where's My Elected Representative?" refers to Kwikipedia already.
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Postby Minskiev » Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:37 pm

Tinhampton wrote:I cannot think of a single school in the real world - "prestigious" or otherwise - that reserves non-guaranteed places for particular students (or, correspondingly, would happily accept a shortfall in student numbers simply because those "particular students" cannot meet the requirements to claim their reserved places at the school).

What is to say that @@RANDOMNAME_1@@'s daughter would be admitted into "a prestigious high school" even if it did not reserve a non-guaranteed place for @@LEADER@@'s nephew? If "there wasn't a waitlist for the nephew's spot, it was reserved," then there is no way that "with all the regulations and bureaucracy and lack of funding, we couldn't adjust in time to correct that error so that this poor girl couldn't be enrolled" as @@RANDOMNAME_2@@ asserts.

RE "Walruspedia:" Issue #764 "Dude, Where's My Elected Representative?" refers to Kwikipedia already.


Yeah, wasn't too sure on this one. I think I'll experiment. Also thanks - the Walruspedia bit was because I couldn't think of anything :P

Removed the stuff on preventing a child from going to a school yadda yadda.
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Postby Debussy » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:21 pm

I've never met a teacher who doesn't say "don't use wikipedia" as a source. I would have failed this kid too, and I doubt the president would have cared.
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:57 pm

Debussy wrote:I've never met a teacher who doesn't say "don't use wikipedia" as a source. I would have failed this kid too, and I doubt the president would have cared.


Kids still do x even if Y tells them not to. The kid was also @@LEADER@@'s nephew.
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:21 pm

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Postby Candensia » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:35 pm

I have had educators instruct me not to use Wikipedia as a source for academic papers, but in my opinion it doesn't really seem like prime material for a national debate.
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