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Jutsa
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[LAST CALL] Bombshell of Injustice

Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:35 pm

Title: Bombshell of Injustice
The Issue: @@RANDOMNAME_1@@ was found to be responsible for the massacre of @@ANIMALHILLS@@, a devastating bombing that left nearly a hundred dead and resulted in the irreversible destruction of a historic bagpipe shop. Authorities have tried rounding @@HIM@@ up for rehabilitation, but efforts to even find @@HIM@@ have proven to be almost impossible.
Validity: NO: Capital Punishment, Prisons

Option 1: "Normal rehabilitation won't work in this case," reluctantly states @@RANDOMNAME@@, one of the most prolific and avant-garde rehabilitators in @@NAME@@. "We can't get @@HIM_1@@ to come to any of @@HIS_1@@ scheduled sessions. We really need some kind of holding facility so we can keep an eye on @@HIM_1@@, and others, Violet forbid, who follow in @@HIS_1@@ footsteps. Maybe these facilities could supply a job and a place to sleep - just under government surveillance. Don't think of it as prison, just think of it as criminal daycare."
[effect] prison riots are called 'spontaneous group therapy sessions' these days

Validity: No Corporal Punishment
Option 2a: "What kind of nation would we be if we put poor @@FIRSTNAME_1@@ through that?" chirps constantly happy and mildly unsettling Mrs. Applegarden, former owner of the bagpipe shop who received a fortune in insurance money, delivering fresh-baked cookies and a cup of what you hope is chamomile tea. "@@HE_1@@ is probably worried sick that the state's out to get @@HIM@@! You should broadcast on TV that all you want is an apology and @@HIS@@ promise to never do it again."
[effect] terrorism has been legalized

Validity: Corporal Punishment
Option 2b: "What kind of nation would we be if we put poor @@FIRSTNAME_1@@ through that?" chirps constantly happy and mildly unsettling Mrs. Applegarden, former owner of the bagpipe shop who received a fortune in insurance money, delivering fresh-baked cookies and a cup of what you hope is chamomile tea. "@@HE_1@@ is probably worried sick by the thought of being injured! You should broadcast on TV that you promise not to physically punish @@HIM@@ or anyone else ever again."
[effect] terrorists miss the days when reintegration with society only meant a brutal whipping

Option 3: "Leave it to me," casually suggests Secret Agent James Bont, after crashing through your window via jetpack in a cinematic fashion. "I'll track @@HIM_1@@ using my personal GPS attache case. When @@HE_1@@ is alone, @@HE_1@@ will be shot by my four best snipers and made to look like suicide. In case @@HE_1@@ manages to dodge them via backflip, I'll be waiting by a hotel window, ready to launch a miniature cruise missile, and fabricate the story that @@HE_1@@ blew up in @@HIS_1@@ own next attack. Clean and off the record. If @@HE_1@@ manages to survive all of that, we hire @@HIM_1@@ as my new assistant." @@HE@@ exits via grappling hook through a hole in your ceiling.
[effect] the justice system has come under gunfire

Option 4 "Uh," states your security officer, putting down Mrs. Applegarden's cookies. "There's... another option. @@FULLNAME_1@@ did kill a lot of people, but we don't really have the means to do anything else with @@HIM_1@@, so... why not hire someone else to stake @@HIM_1@@ out and hold @@HIM_1@@ in their custody? I'm sure the United Federation would be alright doing a job for the right price."
[effect] penalties for petty theft are enforced by the outside help of oppressive regimes


Title: Bombshell of Injustice
The Issue: @@RANDOMNAME_1@@ was found to be responsible for the massacre of @@ANIMALHILLS@@, a devastating bombing that left nearly a hundred dead and resulted in the irreversible destruction of a historic bagpipe shop. Authorities have tried rounding @@HIM@@ up for rehabilitation, but efforts to even find @@HIM@@ have proven to be almost impossible.
Validity: NO: Corporal Punishment, Capital Punishment, Prisons

Option 1: "Normal rehabilitation won't work in this case," reluctantly states @@RANDOMNAME@@, one of the most prolific rehabilitators in @@NAME@@. "We can't get @@HIM_1@@ to come to any of @@HIS_1@@ scheduled sessions. We really need some kind of holding facility so we can keep an eye on @@HIM_1@@, and others, Violet forbid, who follow in @@HIS_1@@ footsteps. Maybe these facilities could supply a job and a place to sleep - just under government surveillance. Don't think of it as prison, just think of it as criminal daycare."
[effect] prison riots are called 'spontaneous group therapy sessions' these days

Option 2: "What kind of nation would we be if we put poor @@FIRSTNAME_1@@ through that?" chirps constantly happy and mildly unsettling Mrs. Applegarden, former owner of the bagpipe shop who received a fortune in insurance money, delivering fresh-baked cookies and a cup of what you hope is chamomile tea. "@@HE_1@@ is probably worried sick that the state's out to get @@HIM@@! You should broadcast on TV that all you want is an apology and @@HIS@@ promise to never do it again."
[effect] terrorism has been legalized

Option 3: "Leave it to me," casually suggests Secret Agent James Bont, after crashing through your window via jetpack in a cinematic fashion. "I'll track @@HIM_1@@ using my personal GPS attache case. When @@HE_1@@ is alone, @@HE_1@@ will be shot by my four best snipers and made to look like suicide. In case @@HE_1@@ manages to dodge them via backflip, I'll be waiting by a hotel window, ready to launch a miniature cruise missile, and fabricate the story that @@HE_1@@ blew up in @@HIS_1@@ own next attack. Clean and off the record. If @@HE_1@@ manages to survive all of that, we hire @@HIM_1@@ as my new assistant." @@HE@@ exits via grappling hook through a hole in your ceiling.
[effect] the justice system has come under gunfire

Option 4 "Uh," states your security officer, putting down Mrs. Applegarden's cookies. "There's... another option. @@FULLNAME_1@@ did kill a lot of people, but we don't really have the means to do anything else with @@HIM_1@@, so... why not hire someone else to stake @@HIM_1@@ out and hold @@HIM_1@@ in their custody? I'm sure the United Federation would be alright doing a job for the right price."
[effect] penalties for petty theft are enforced by the outside help of oppressive regimes


Title: Bombshell of Injustice
The Issue: @@RANDOMNAME_1@@ was found to be responsible for the massacre of @@ANIMALHILLS@@, a devastating bombing that left nearly a hundred dead and resulted in the irreversable destruction of a historic bagpipe shop. Authorities have tried rounding @@HIM@@ for rehabilitation, but efforts so far have proven to be almost impossible.
Validity: NO: Corporal Punishment, Capital Punishment, Prisons

Option 1: "Normal rehabilitation won't work in this case," reluctantly states @@RANDOMNAME@@, one of the most prolific rehabilitators in @@NAME@@. "We can't get @@HIM_1@@ to come to any of @@HIS_1@@ scheduled sessions. We really need some kind of holding facility so we can keep an eye on @@HIM_1@@, and others, Violet forbid, who follow in @@HIS_1@@ footsteps. Maybe these facilities could supply a job and a place to sleep - just under government surveilance. Don't think of it as prison, just think of it as criminal daycare."
[effect] psychologists' offices have been retrofitted into jail cell

Option 2: "What kind of nation would we be if we put poor @@FIRSTNAME_1@@ through that?" chirps constantly happy and mildly unsettling Mrs. Applegarden, former owner of the bagpipe shop who recieved a fortune in insurance money, delivering fresh-baked cookies and a cup of what you hope is camomille tea. "@@HE_1@@ is probably worried sick that the state's out to get @@HIM@@! You should broadcast that you mean no harm to the poor dear. I'm sure @@HE@@ won't do it again!"
[effect] terrorism has been legalized

Option 3: "Leave it to me," casually suggests Secret Agent James Bont, after crashing through your window via jetpack in a cinematic fashion. "I'll track @@HIM_1@@ using my personal GPS attache case. When @@HE_1@@ is alone, @@HE_1@@ will be shot by my four best snipers and made to look like suicide. In case @@HE_1@@ manages to dodge them via backflip, I'll be waiting by a hotel window, ready to launch a miniature cruise missile, and fabricate the story that @@HE_1@@ blew up in @@HIS_1@@ own next attack. Clean and off the record. If @@HE_1@@ manages to survive all of that, we hire @@HIM_1@@ as my new assistant." @@HE@@ leaves via a grappling hook through a hole in your ceiling.
[effect] the justice system has come under gunfire

Option 4 "Uh," states your security officer, putting down Mrs. Applegarden's cookies. "There's... another option. @@FULLNAME_1@@ did kill a lot of people, but we don't really have the means to do anything else with @@HIM_1@@, so... why not hire someone else to stake @@HIM_1@@ out and hold @@HIM_1@@ in their custody? I'm sure the United Federation would be alright doing a cover job for the right price."
[effect] penalties for petty theft are enforced by the outside help of oppressive regimes
Last edited by Jutsa on Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:29 am, edited 7 times in total.
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Daarwyrth
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Daarwyrth » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:02 pm

Authorities have tried rounding @@HIM@@ for rehabilitation, but efforts so far have proven to be almost impossible.

I believe you forgot "up" after "rounding @@HIM@@ up". Also, I would suggest to clarify in the last bit that @@HE@@ can't be found, or refuses to come. As on my first readthrough I felt a little lost about what exactly was up with him. Might just be me tho!

psychologist offices have been retrofitted into jail cell

How about "prison riots are called 'spontaneous group therapy sessions' these days"? :)

recieved

Little typo there! Should be "received" ;)

You should broadcast that you mean no harm to the poor dear. I'm sure @@HE@@ won't do it again!

The issue option flows well, but I'm a little uncertain about this bit. Perhaps you could do that she suggests @@LEADER@@ puts out daily encouraging messages not to commit crimes?

terrorism has been legalized

How about something along the lines of "@@LEADER@@'s wagging finger has stopped terrorists dead in their tracks laughing"?

Very interesting issue idea and good first draft :)
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Jutsa
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:09 pm

Alrighty, made a draft update. :)
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:57 am

/Bump
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:04 pm

Bumping again. I actually really like this one as-is, but I'm going to leave it on-forum for at least another week even if no comments are to be made. :)
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:24 am

And gonna put this on last-call, lest someone has any significant changes in mind.
Edit: Even though I intended this to be for nations with no criminal system whatsoever, this actually does kind-of work for nations with corporal punishment.

In fact, I was gonna say I could low-key add a corporal punishment option, but option 2 genuinely kinda works for that (alternatively I could make a variant option for it). Hmm... :)
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:41 am

Quintuple-post, I know, but I've un-lastcallified this for at least another week to see what everyone's thoughts on a corporal punishment reversal option might do.

It somewhat changes the context of the issue, but I think it's still valid; I mean, what's physical punishment going to do with someone this dangerous who you can't find anyway?
Besides, I can't help myself; we've only got one reversal option in the game. :)
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:24 am

Gonna bump this 'un again too. Probably gonna put it on last call if no one has any qualms with it by next time I bump it.

Edit: In hindsight, looking back, I realized the forums are so slow that literally two weeks ago is on page 2. Woops.

Edit2: I mean there was one post here that wasn't from me and it was a minor edit. Like. Seriously. I don't need to bump this this many times smh.
"You could just delete this post" I would but honestly I'm gonna just last-call this one now anyway so it works. "fine" fine.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:02 pm

Does this need a "no courts" validity as well? If not, how is this person not already in custody in order to have been found guilty? Alternately, if there are no courts, I might use a different word than "found" due to the legal weight that specific term has.

A lack of prisons doesn't mean a lack of punishment - so I'd consider both versions of option 2 to be the "absurd" route here. As a player, I also don't know that I would immediately connect what the speaker in those options is saying with presence or absence of the "corporal punishment" policy. I would suggest having the speaker flag that up in the dialogue, in order to make it clear where they're coming from.

Option 2's dialogue tag is a bit long and hard to parse - is there a simpler or shorter way to get the characterization across?

Option 4's speaker is making a good suggestion, but it's a bit hard to understand. "Hire somebody else" sounds like mercenaries, but ends up as extraordinary rendition. I'd make this one a bit more on the nose about what is being suggested and why.
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