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[SUBMITTED] Free Joy Statistics

Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:40 pm

So I just got in the mood to make this after looking at my Baggy Land and The Free Joy States drafts - the former which doesn't work but has a great option, and the latter that needed a premise tweaking (which I hope this encapsulates) - and thought "Wait... I could do a lot more with both of these". Hopefully the incredibly NS-reference-heavy nature of this draft works. :)

Free Joy Statistics = The Free Joy States (editor), as well as Cheerfulness and (ironically) freedom; could be seen as freeby cheerful points too depending on the option.
Cards Against Nations = Cards Against Nationstates, a NS version of Cards Against Humanity
Statistics = WA statistics
cards of various nations = NS card decks
Matched against those of other nations / Winning more [...] games = Mostly-neglected challenge button on a non-you nation's homepage
Trivia = NS Trivia
Kennimen Valentine = omigodtheykilledkenny, Minoa, and particularly Valentine Z
general assembly = WA: General Assembly (I hope this was obvious)
councilors, and security = Security Council
authoritarian and mildly corrupt minister of propaganda = Authoritarian Democracy / Corrupt Dictatorship
Iron Fist of Justice = Iron Fist Socialists/Consumerists
anarchies = well, anarchies
everyone will love you, our benevolent leader, for knowing what's best! = benevolent dictatorship, Father/Mother Knows Best States
domineering and tyrannical Minister of Health, taking @@HIS@@ usual conservative stance = Tyranny by Majority, Conservative Democracy
Libertarian and Freer-Market Capitalist = Libertarian Police State, Free-Market Paradise, Capitalist Paradise/Capitalizt
hardworking, sleek and efficient = reference to some of the descriptions in the descriptions on some nations' homepages
as well as related college programs = really faint attempt at referencing LL College states; not so much a hit as a bellyflop but ah well.
"Get with the times" says your moralistic (minister) = Similar attempt at NYT Democracies, as well as Moralistic Democracies
Life isn't about living in some happy paradise, it's about doing what's right: [...] We aren't running some lovefest! = Scandinavian Liberal / Capitalist / Free Market Paradise; Right-Wing Utopia, Civil-Rights Lovefest
who spend all their time in some liberal bordello = liberal democratic socialists, corporate bordello
Mr. Squee = Idk it's based off of this character from Gooseworx called Mr. Squeeze I couldn't think of a better name but it kinda works. All the time I had a Powerpuff Girls clown image in my head.
an offensive and definitely psychotic clown = inoffensive centrist democracies, psychotic dictatorships
consuming our nation's joy, and we'll be the utopia of beaming sunshine! = compulsory consumerists, left/right-wing utopias, drop of sunshine sunbeam religion
Editors/Mods:
"Wye helaw deer, @@LEADER@@!" = Wyethelania, Helaw, Sanctaria (deer flag)
lyrically cheers dust-covered goth electrician and part-time road carcass remover Ramsi Ballo-Poga = Logophilia Lyricalia, Dustistan, Golgothistan, Electrium, Glenn-Rhodes, Caracasus, Ransium, Ballotonia, Pogaria
We need not be put in a zugzwang position = Zwangzug
We should be responsible and instead monitor and archive = Responsible, USS Monitor, CWA
niiiiice, kaaand and joyous peoples = Gnejs (pronounced "Nice"), Kandarin), The Free Joy State [kinda referenced more by the title]
even in der sleep! I doo dat with my pet marsupials! They go raur and fuf~ = Sleep, The Marsupial Illuminati, Raurosia, Frieden-und-Freudenland (FuF)
Maybe we can produce, ah, maure cameras and all d' more sensors that we can densely smedge into clothing and grocery baggies = Luna Amore, Maurepas, Altmer(all d' more) Dominion, Candens(ely)ia, S(m)edgistan, Baggieland
Occorse, I can kindly len' you a second hand = Sirocco, Kindly Professor Hell, Lenyo, Noah's Second Country
we'll make all da nation of @@NAME@@ into a no-grim haven!= Nation of Quebec, The Grim Reaper, Verdant Haven




Title: Free Joy Statistics
The Issue: While playing a game of Cards Against Nations, where certain statistics on the cards of various nations are matched against those of other nations, your Minister of Statistics, Kennimin Valentine, learned some trivia - that the citizens of @@NAME@@ are among the most content in @@REGION@@! Hoping to win at more card games - and increase worker morale - your minister has created a general assembly of ministers, councilors, and security (for good measure) to see if more could be done.
Validity: High authoritarianism; Top 60%ish? Cheerfulness

Option 1: "@@LEADER@@! Do you know what this means?" squeals your authoritarian and mildly corrupt Minister of Propaganda, visibly bobbing with rather unprofessional glee. "Your iron fist of justice has paid off! Your firm social policies have kept this nation clear away from the hopelessness associated with anarchies like Kawandaland or the United Federation. We'll use this fact to our advantage; I'll arrange for a large public celebration announcing this trend. When we get to legislating new laws and further policing, everyone will love you, our benevolent leader, for knowing what's best!"
[effect] perpetually smiling government officials remind everyone there is no sadness in @@NAME@@

Option 2: "Wait a minute there, buckeroo; correlation does not equal causation," reminds your domineering and tyrannical Minister of Health, taking @@HIS@@ usual conservative stance on the subject. "If you look carefully, many libertarian and freer-market capitalist nations are also happy. It's far more likely our success is from our hardworking, sleek and efficient health care and education systems. We should really put more funding into those ventures and related college programs."
[effect] the most lucrative job market is finding out what's wrong with people

Option 3: "C'mon @@LEADER@@, get with the times," says your compulsively moralistic and noticeably unhappy Chief Financial Advisor. "Life isn't about living in some happy paradise, it's about doing what's right: and that means back-breaking labor! We aren't running some freaky sci-fi lovefest or something. Round up all of those mindless goof-offs who spend all their time in some liberal bordello, and start making them work real jobs - or risk being thrown behind bars!"
[effect] those who enjoy their jobs are told they're not working hard enough

Option 4: "Don't look so glum, @@LEADER@@!" you jolt at the horrific sight of Mr. Squee, an offensive and definitely psychotic clown who showed up at one of your birthday parties. "Turn that frown upside-down! Throw a happy face on everyone, and they'll naturally feel so much better! Execute all of the gloomy gusses consuming our nation's joy, and we'll be the utopia of beaming sunshine!" He cackles madly, juggling bowling pins while unicycling out your office window.
[effect] many are unhappy about the risks associated with being unhappy

Option 5: "Wye helaw deer, @@LEADER@@!" lyrically cheers dust-covered goth electrician and part-time road carcass remover Ramsi Ballo-Poga. "We need not be put in a zugzwang position. We should be responsible and instead monitor and archive da behavior of da niiiiice, kaaand and joyous peoples of @@NAME@@, even in der sleep! I do dat wid my pet marsupials! They go raur and fuf~ Maybe we can produce, ah, maure cameras and all d' more sensors that we can densely smedge into clothing and grocery baggies. Occorse, I can kindly len' you a second hand. When we're done, we'll make all da nation of @@NAME@@ into a no-grim haven!"
[effect] scientists regularly observe what makes @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ tick


Title: Free Joy Statistics
The Issue: While playing a game of Cards Against Nations, where certain statistics on the cards of various nations are matched against those of other nations, your Minister of Statistics, Kennimin Valentine, learned some trivia - that the citizens of @@NAME@@ are among the most content in @@REGION@@! Hoping to win at more card games - and increase worker productivity - your minister has created a general assembly of ministers, councilors, and security (for good measure) to see if more could be done.
Validity: High authoritarianism; Top 60%ish? Cheerfulness

Option 1: "@@LEADER@@! Do you know what this means?" squeals your authoritarian and mildly corrupt Minister of Propaganda, visibly bobbing with rather unprofessional glee. "The iron fist of justice has paid off! With guidance from our social policies, we've successfully kept our population from wandering into the hopelessness associated with anarchies like Kawandaland, or the United Federation. We'll use this statistic to our advantage; we'll have a public celebration announcing this trend. When we get to legislating new laws and further policing, everyone will love you, our benevolent leader, for knowing what's best and turning @@NAME@@ into a paradise!"
[effect] people are told by the government that they should be happy and grateful

Option 2: "Wait a minute there, buckeroo; correlation does not equal causation," reminds your domineering and tyrannical Minister of Health, taking @@HIS@@ usual conservative stance on the subject. "If you look carefully, many libertarian and freer-market capitalist nations are also happy. It's far more likely our success is from our hardworking, sleek and efficient health care and education systems. We should really put more funding into those ventures and related college programs."
[effect] the most lucrative job market is finding out what's wrong with people

Option 3: "C'mon @@LEADER@@, get with the times," says your compulsively moralistic and noticeably unhappy Chief Financial Advisor. "Life isn't about being happy, it's about doing what's right: consumerism and back-breaking labor! We aren't running some freaky lovefest or something. Round up all those mindless goof-offs who spend all their time in some liberal bordello, and start making them work real jobs - or risk being thrown behind bars!"
[effect] those who enjoy their jobs are told they're not working hard enough

Option 4: "Don't look so glum, @@LEADER@@!" you jolt at the horrific sight of Mr. Squee, an offensive and definitely psychotic clown who showed up at one of your birthday parties. "Turn that frown upside-down! Throw a happy face on everyone, and they'll naturally feel so much better! Execute all them gloomy gusses, and we'll be the utopia of beaming happiness!" He cackles madly, juggling bowling pins while unicycling out your office window.
[effect] many are unhappy about the risks associated with being unhappy

Option 5: "Wye helaw deer, @@LEADER@@!" lyrically cheers dust-covered goth electrician and part-time road carcus remover Ramsi Ballo-Poga. "We need not be put in a zugzwang poseetion. We should bee responsible and insteead monitor and archive dee behavior of da niiiiice and kaaand and joyous peoples of @@NAME@@, even in der sleep! I doo dat with my pet marsupials! They go raur and fuf~ Maybe we can produce, ah, maure cameras and sensors that we can smedge into clothing and grocery baggies. Occorse, I can kindly len' you a hand, and we'll have noah grim dominion in all da nation of @@NAME@@!"
[effect] scientists regularly observe what makes @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ tick
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Postby Minskiev » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:41 am

What’s happiness? Do you mean cheerfulness? Niceness? Compassion?
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:10 am

Minskiev wrote:What’s happiness? Do you mean cheerfulness? Niceness? Compassion?


I did mean cheerfulness, yes. :P That said niceness/compassion could be a role too, not sure.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:30 pm

people are told by the government that they should be happy and grateful

I feel this effect line could be a little sharper. One thing that springs to mind is the Avatar the Last Airbender meme "There is no war in Ba Sing Se". So, perhaps this effect line could be something along the lines of "perpetually smiling government officials remind everyone there is no sadness in @@NAME@@" ? I'll leave it to you of course!

Option 2: ""If you look carefully, many libertarian and freer-market capitalist nations are also happy", Option 3: ""Life isn't about being happy, it's about doing what's right: consumerism and back-breaking labor!"

Perhaps it's just me, but the capitalist nugget you have put in both these options feels slightly repetitive, if you know what I mean? You reference capitalism (or the free market at least) in option 2, but also do so in option 3. Unless this was deliberate, I'd either suggest removing a reference to one in one of the two options, or two leave the capitalist nugget out all-together and have option 2 only point to the healthcare and education system, and option 3 only to the back-breaking labour.

and part-time road carcus remover

Do you mean "carcass" instead of "carcus"?

In general, a very interesting issue and nicely written in addition! :)
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:12 pm

It's a fun issue, but some of the dialogue isn't clear due to the number of references you've thrown in. This is especially problematic in the last option, particularly in the final sentence. The average reader will be completely confused by it.

For future issues, I'd prefer to be referenced more subtly by using a "second best" or "#2" somewhere :)
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:11 pm

Mneh, I tried to clean it up a little. :P

In particular:

Daarwyrth wrote:I feel this effect line could be a little sharper.

Yoinked your suggestion. I do like it.
Daarwyrth also wrote:Perhaps it's just me, but the capitalist nugget you have put in both these options feels slightly repetitive, if you know what I mean?

In trimming down option 1, I moved "paradise" to option 3, and "consume" to option 4. :)
Daarwyrth finally wrote:Do you mean "carcass" instead of "carcus"?

I don't use the word "carcass" often.

the second person to which I am addressing wrote:It's a fun issue, but some of the dialogue isn't clear due to the number of references you've thrown in


Hopefully I've smoothed it out just a tad? I've removed most of the social policing bits from option 1 since they meshed clunkily. I also changed Altmer's reference to "all d' more sensors". It's a weird and wacky option, I know. :P
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:19 pm

Taking note that Candensia is now editor (and I freaking called it in the spoiler originally).

Unfortunately, I couldn't candense the option any more to find room for the name, so they can just share "Kaaand" with Kandarin, I guess.

Incidentally, in the unlikely event this issue were added to the game, editors will have my eternal permission (I guess unless explicitly stated before-the-fact otherwise though idk why I ever would) to edit that option to add future editors into it. >.>
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:03 pm

Gonna casually bump this. Waiting for a new editor to win the competition though xD
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:11 pm

Added Verdant Haven, fittingly at the end. I think it's smoother now; especially now that Noah is, in fact, referenced as "second". :)

Also added Candensia by putting the word "densely" between "can" and "smedge".

This is the dumbest option ever. xD
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:10 am

I love the inclusion of option 4!
But should it be given the validity limit of 'clowns are not banned''?

In option 5, I initially read "no-grim" as "no-grin", which of course would more or less reverse the meaning. Could this, perhaps, be replaced by something with less potential for such confusion? "non-gloominess", maybe, even though that loses one of the issue's [many] hidden references to other nations?
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:42 am

I'd simply use "grimless" but NS is telling me that's not a word. Of course, given the nature of this speaker, I suppose that could work. :P

Glad you like option 4 though; I had a lot of fun adding that. (was the last one I added) :)
edit: Not sure if clowns are a tracked policy? If they are, maybe this could be an exception, given this clown is maniacal? :lol:
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:24 am

Casual /bump. If this contest results in another editor (I can't imagine who it'd be), then I'll try to find a way to add them also. :P

Edit: I also capitalized [Draft] to [DRAFT]. So I technically did something.
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:36 pm

Jutsa wrote:Option 5: "Wye helaw deer, @@LEADER@@!" lyrically cheers dust-covered goth electrician and part-time road carcus remover Ramsi Ballo-Poga. "We need not be put in a zugzwang poseetion. We should bee responsible and insteead monitor and archive dee behavior of da niiiiice and kaaand and joyous peoples of @@NAME@@, even in der sleep! I doo dat with my pet marsupials! They go raur and fuf~ Maybe we can produce, ah, maure cameras and sensors that we can smedge into clothing and grocery baggies. Occorse, I can kindly len' you a hand, and we'll have noah grim dominion in all da nation of @@NAME@@!"
[effect] scientists regularly observe what makes @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ tick

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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:51 pm

Niiiiice.

Extremely subtle but it's there. :)
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:48 pm

Jutsa wrote:Niiiiice.

Extremely subtle but it's there. :)

I was saying that the option was nice. 8)
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:32 pm

Oh xD thank you. :)
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