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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:20 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I said many of its issues. Stop denying reality.

I'm not. Stop falling for The Greyzone just because America isn't that great. Sanctions came after the main crisis, which was homegrown.

lol I thought I was replying to our anti-Marxist friend here. My point stands. The sanctions are crippling the people more than the government.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:20 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:1. NationStates is meant as a satirical nation simulator. Straightforward options with straightforward results, no humour, would be dull.

2. If you want issues that tackle issues you are interested in, write them. We always recommend you draft in Got Issues?.

3. Nothing says speakers in an issue will be right. Speakers can be mad, bad, prejudiced and monumentally stupid.

4. If an issue has no options you like, the delete button remains available for you.



No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Yes, that is the nature of politics. There are few easy choices. "Here is your perfect and easy choice, here is your terrible choice" would be dull.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:21 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Go write your own issues then.

Seconding this.
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:21 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Go write your own issues then.


Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"
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Postby Havenburghe » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:21 am

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Epluribus Unum wrote:

No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Yes, that is the nature of politics. There are few easy choices. "Here is your perfect and easy choice, here is your terrible choice" would be dull.

I'm starting to think this guy is either extremely young and ignorant or a straight troll.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:23 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:1. NationStates is meant as a satirical nation simulator. Straightforward options with straightforward results, no humour, would be dull.

2. If you want issues that tackle issues you are interested in, write them. We always recommend you draft in Got Issues?.

3. Nothing says speakers in an issue will be right. Speakers can be mad, bad, prejudiced and monumentally stupid.

4. If an issue has no options you like, the delete button remains available for you.



No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Yeah, it's like that on purpose. Except for the few serious ones, every issue is trying to make every possible angle look bad in some way. For fun. It's a joke game.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:25 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not. Stop falling for The Greyzone just because America isn't that great. Sanctions came after the main crisis, which was homegrown.

lol I thought I was replying to our anti-Marxist friend here. My point stands. The sanctions are crippling the people more than the government.

Being in the top 10 for most corrupt countries can't be wrong. I'm not a neo-con, but we're not responsible for all or even most of that country's woes. Corruption in the government is responsible for that.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:26 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:lol I thought I was replying to our anti-Marxist friend here. My point stands. The sanctions are crippling the people more than the government.

Being in the top 10 for most corrupt countries can't be wrong. I'm not a neo-con, but we're not responsible for all or even most of that country's woes. Corruption in the government is responsible for that.

Yes, I am aware. I'm a libertarian socialist, I don't like authoritarians. I just also don't like sanctions that serve more as economic warfare against a population than as a tool to humble a regime.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:28 am

Havenburghe wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Yes, that is the nature of politics. There are few easy choices. "Here is your perfect and easy choice, here is your terrible choice" would be dull.

I'm starting to think this guy is either extremely young and ignorant or a straight troll.

Trollnaming is a rules violation. Please report them if you think they're a troll.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:28 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Right-libertarian think tanks oppose it. I'm not surprised, but they're not objective either. Canada's problems can be fixed through reforms, but the healthcare model is good.

Fraser is actually right here. I've read this study before, and it's fairly accurate. It's just, the root cause isn't socialization. It's the level of micromanagement from the government, that isn't seen in countries like Germany.

Maybe, but I of course object to the narrative here. We have worse healthcare than Canada, and this guy is using that article to deny reality.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:28 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:I am tired of the constant illogical Marxist views on issues, the game has become ponderous with a constant bias on Capitalism is bad, and Immigration is Racist, etc...

"Immigration is Racist"
Er?

Let me remind you no Country in the history of the World has risen more people form sickness and poverty and given more opportunity and education then that of the USA and Capitalism!

Actually those would be China and India. Also: "than". Also: "Capitalism" isn't a country, which, by the way, shouldn't be capitalised, just like "world".

My choices are;

Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!

Are you fucking kidding me?

Whoever wrote this better be living in some bullshit socialist Country! I am so tired of the Anti American ways of life, all while sucking off the teets of the USA!

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"teat".
Also, exactly how would the author of this game be "sucking off the teets" (sic) of the USA?

By the way, this really belongs in Technical.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:29 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Fraser is actually right here. I've read this study before, and it's fairly accurate. It's just, the root cause isn't socialization. It's the level of micromanagement from the government, that isn't seen in countries like Germany.

Maybe, but I of course object to the narrative here. We have worse healthcare than Canada, and this guy is using that article to deny reality.

Yeah, which is unfortunate.

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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:29 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not. Stop falling for The Greyzone just because America isn't that great. Sanctions came after the main crisis, which was homegrown.


This thread isn't about Venezuela, but I'll just correct the fact : the sanctions started before the "main crisis", and the "main crisis" actually started because Venezuela was hit by combination of record drought, USA-incited violent "unrest" (actually more akin to terrorism), USA-inflicted sanctions, and global world crisis that made oil prices tank.

That Maduro (and to a lesser extend Chavez) did mistakes, especially in not moving fast enough to move the country from its dependency on oil (which they didn't create, they inherited from it), I don't deny it. But the core causes of the Venezuela crisis are external, not internal, and Chávez/Maduro mistakes are more problems they inherited and didn't fix than problems they created.
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Postby Pianta » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:33 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:I am tired of the constant illogical Marxist views on issues, the game has become ponderous with a constant bias on Capitalism is bad, and Immigration is Racist, etc...

Let me remind you no Country in the history of the World has risen more people form sickness and poverty and given more opportunity and education then that of the USA and Capitalism!

My choices are;

Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!

Are you fucking kidding me?

Whoever wrote this better be living in some bullshit socialist Country! I am so tired of the Anti American ways of life, all while sucking off the teets of the USA!

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You know, you could just dismiss the issue.

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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:33 am

Kilobugya wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm not. Stop falling for The Greyzone just because America isn't that great. Sanctions came after the main crisis, which was homegrown.


This thread isn't about Venezuela, but I'll just correct the fact : the sanctions started before the "main crisis", and the "main crisis" actually started because Venezuela was hit by combination of record drought, USA-incited violent "unrest" (actually more akin to terrorism), USA-inflicted sanctions, and global world crisis that made oil prices tank.

That Maduro (and to a lesser extend Chavez) did mistakes, especially in not moving fast enough to move the country from its dependency on oil (which they didn't create, they inherited from it), I don't deny it. But the core causes of the Venezuela crisis are external, not internal, and Chávez/Maduro mistakes are more problems they inherited and didn't fix than problems they created.

Most of the sanctions were sanctions against officials. There seems to be a movement that whenever a form of socialism goes wrong, it's always some external force or the "evil Americans." I will not stand for that either.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:34 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:I am tired of the constant illogical Marxist views on issues, ...


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Postby Epluribus Unum » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:35 am

Nova Vandalia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Go write your own issues then.


Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"



What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!

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Postby Page » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:35 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!


Do 1 AND 4

:D
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:37 am

Page wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!


Do 1 AND 4

:D



Insurance is necessary, and Universal Healthcare is paid for by tax payers of which the USA only has 52% doing so, the 52% cannot pay for the 100%!

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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:39 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Page wrote:
Do 1 AND 4

:D



Insurance is necessary, and Universal Healthcare is paid for by tax payers of which the USA only has 52% doing so, the 52% cannot pay for the 100%!


Did you know that 100% of statistics are made up on the spot 67.98% of the time?
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Postby Pianta » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:39 am

Please just dismiss the issue, that will solve the problem real fast! In no time you'll receive a new issue that hopefully tailors to your views.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:40 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Nova Vandalia wrote:
Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"



What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!

You can't get your point across without flaming? Shame.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:40 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Page wrote:
Do 1 AND 4

:D



Insurance is necessary, and Universal Healthcare is paid for by tax payers of which the USA only has 52% doing so, the 52% cannot pay for the 100%!
Well then, since all the other options were bad, what option would you write in?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:40 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Nova Vandalia wrote:
Coming up with a way to feel victimized on a game, appears to serve their narrative better as they've already been told to go do this. But it appear actually doing something to fix the "issue", doesn't appear to actually be something this person wants, because it would invalidate that need to feel like the victim of a website created by an Australian being "un-American"



What a bullshit response, I don't feel victimized, Unlike you and your ilk of ANTIFA shitheads I keep on keeping on! The context was as of late all my issues have been marxist socialist crap!

Then write your own issues and stop insulting people who view this topic as ridiculous. You can get started in the "Got Issues?" forum.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:41 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Most of the sanctions were sanctions against officials.


Not only, by far. They were against Citgo. Against Venezuela's gold in UK. Against their ability to import things or to sell or transport their oil.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:There seems to be a movement that whenever a form of socialism goes wrong, it's always some external force or the "evil Americans." I will not stand for that either.


Well, the problem is that everytime a country tries to implement a form of socialism somewhere, the capitalist powers (mostly but not only USA nowadays, Western Europe or the Axis in the past) do their best to try to break them through sabotage, terrorism, economical sanctions and coup attempt. So it's always hard to know if, when they finally fail, they failed because of internal reasons or because of external reasons.

But in the case of Venezuela, which I know quite well (I've been there several times, I studied the situation quite in depth, ...), it's clearly the simultaneous strike of natural disaster (record drought), after effects of the 2009 crisis and US involvement that triggered the current crisis. Maybe without those factors it would still have occurred a few years later due to inner problems, maybe not, we'll never know for sure.

And sure, Maduro (and to a lesser extend Chávez) did mistakes which made Venezuela more vulnerable, I'm not saying they handled everything perfectly, but they are not the main cause.
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