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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:10 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Canadian here. The only reason universal healthcare in Canada is a mess is that it's a highly bureaucratic mess. Socialized medicine can exist without such amounts of bureaucracy.



No! No it actually cannot, Socialist States are the controller and as all Socialist Countries will control! You cannot have Socialized Medicine by the State and not have the State mandate how its used!

Doesn't work that way!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... -the-world

France has the best healthcare system in the world. Universal healthcare.
Italy has the second-best. Universal healthcare.

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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:10 am

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Kilobugya wrote:
And yet life expectancy in Canada is 82.2 years, compared to USA's mere 78.5. Lack of universal healthcare costs every US citizen 4 years of their life, in average (well, ok, it's only that, also higher inequality, more obesity, ...).



So? The country with a population the size of Texas compared to 360 million people?


What has the size of the country to do with life expectancy ?
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Postby Parxland » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:11 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:I am tired of the constant illogical Marxist views on issues, the game has become ponderous with a constant bias on Capitalism is bad, and Immigration is Racist, etc...

Let me remind you no Country in the history of the World has risen more people form sickness and poverty and given more opportunity and education then that of the USA and Capitalism!

My choices are;

Screw Insurance Companies
Screw Good Doctors caught in a poor system
Screw People that were injured by Doctors mistakes
OR Universal Healthcare!

Are you fucking kidding me?

Whoever wrote this better be living in some bullshit socialist Country! I am so tired of the Anti American ways of life, all while sucking off the teets of the USA!

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:11 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Canadian here. The only reason universal healthcare in Canada is a mess is that it's a highly bureaucratic mess. Socialized medicine can exist without such amounts of bureaucracy.



No! No it actually cannot, Socialist States are the controller and as all Socialist Countries will control! You cannot have Socialized Medicine by the State and not have the State mandate how its used!

Doesn't work that way!

You've swallowed so much Fox News propaganda it's ridiculous. We have the worst healthcare system of any Western nation, and you're acting like we have the best. Americans go to Canada to get better drug prices for Christ sake.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:11 am

Kubra wrote:Huh, weird, I'm getting a *bunch* of issues involving me being general secretary and deciding 5 year plans and some shit, and all the options are just so negative. Why can't I be a *good* communist?
Grass is greener on the other side, no?

Apparently my pretend country fires people for saying "Hi Guys" to a mixed gender group of people. Which, as we all know, is exactly what the left wants.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:12 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Good.



Yea ask Venezuela!

Which can trace many of its current issues to economic warfare and foreign meddling.

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Postby Epluribus Unum » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:12 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

Ask Canadians that wait a Month to see a Doctor and lose there legs because of a blood clot! Allowing the State to determine if you are worthy of being cared for is not freedom!

This is propaganda and isn't as big of a thing as you think it is.



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies ... anada-2019

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:13 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

Yea ask Venezuela!

Which can trace many of its current issues to economic warfare and foreign meddling.

That's propaganda. The government mismanaged the economy there and is dictatorial. It should be noted though that single payer does not make Canada or Europe "socialist" though.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:14 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

No! No it actually cannot, Socialist States are the controller and as all Socialist Countries will control! You cannot have Socialized Medicine by the State and not have the State mandate how its used!

Doesn't work that way!

You've swallowed so much Fox News propaganda it's ridiculous. We have the worst healthcare system of any Western nation, and you're acting like we have the best. Americans go to Canada to get better drug prices for Christ sake.



Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I watch Fox News which I don't! Ad hominem doesn't strengthen your argument!

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:14 am

Seems to me this thread topic is just a cover to rant about Socialism and how amazing America is.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:15 am

1. NationStates is meant as a satirical nation simulator. Straightforward options with straightforward results, no humour, would be dull.

2. If you want issues that tackle issues you are interested in, write them. We always recommend you draft in Got Issues?.

3. Nothing says speakers in an issue will be right. Speakers can be mad, bad, prejudiced and monumentally stupid (the speaker who suggests consuming lead is good for you springs to mind).

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Postby The Dodo Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:15 am

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Seems to me this thread topic is just a cover to rant about Socialism and how amazing America is.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This is propaganda and isn't as big of a thing as you think it is.



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies ... anada-2019

Yes, Canadian healthcare can be shitty. The problem isn't socialization. It's bureaucracy.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This is propaganda and isn't as big of a thing as you think it is.



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies ... anada-2019

Right-libertarian think tanks oppose it. I'm not surprised, but they're not objective either. Canada's problems can be fixed through reforms, but the healthcare model is good.
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Postby The Selkie » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Canadian here. The only reason universal healthcare in Canada is a mess is that it's a highly bureaucratic mess. Socialized medicine can exist without such amounts of bureaucracy.



No! No it actually cannot, Socialist States are the controller and as all Socialist Countries will control! You cannot have Socialized Medicine by the State and not have the State mandate how its used!

Doesn't work that way!


Actually, you can have a Universal Healthcare System with little government control. Germany sends its best regards.
That's neither here or there, though, and I am reasonably certain, that this would be off-topic.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Which can trace many of its current issues to economic warfare and foreign meddling.

That's propaganda. The government mismanaged the economy there and is dictatorial. It should be noted though that single payer does not make Canada or Europe "socialist" though.

I said many of its issues. Stop denying reality.

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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:This is propaganda and isn't as big of a thing as you think it is.



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies ... anada-2019


You do realize that was an examination of elective treatment? Keyword "Elective". An elective procedure is one that is chosen (elected) by the patient or physician that is advantageous to the patient but is not urgent.

They're not sitting there letting people die. XD
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:17 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kubra wrote:Huh, weird, I'm getting a *bunch* of issues involving me being general secretary and deciding 5 year plans and some shit, and all the options are just so negative. Why can't I be a *good* communist?
Grass is greener on the other side, no?

Apparently my pretend country fires people for saying "Hi Guys" to a mixed gender group of people. Which, as we all know, is exactly what the left wants.
I got one where my options were to cambodia the city dwellers, adulterate the food, or *shudder* allow free market enterprise. Why does NationStates have such a right-wing bias???????
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:17 am

The Free Joy State wrote:1. NationStates is meant as a satirical nation simulator. Straightforward options with straightforward results, no humour, would be dull.

2. If you want issues that tackle issues you are interested in, write them. We always recommend you draft in Got Issues?.

3. Nothing says speakers in an issue will be right. Speakers can be mad, bad, prejudiced and monumentally stupid.

4. If an issue has no options you like, the delete button remains available for you.



No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:17 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Right-libertarian think tanks oppose it. I'm not surprised, but they're not objective either. Canada's problems can be fixed through reforms, but the healthcare model is good.

Fraser is actually right here. I've read this study before, and it's fairly accurate. It's just, the root cause isn't socialization. It's the level of micromanagement from the government, that isn't seen in countries like Germany.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:18 am

Let's talk the real NS issues: why is is that I can choose extremely charmless options, yet my charmlessness rate drops? Help a guy out here, I'm going for top 0.1% in the world.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:18 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:That's propaganda. The government mismanaged the economy there and is dictatorial. It should be noted though that single payer does not make Canada or Europe "socialist" though.

I said many of its issues. Stop denying reality.

I'm not. Stop falling for The Greyzone just because America isn't that great. Sanctions came after the main crisis, which was homegrown.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:18 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:1. NationStates is meant as a satirical nation simulator. Straightforward options with straightforward results, no humour, would be dull.

2. If you want issues that tackle issues you are interested in, write them. We always recommend you draft in Got Issues?.

3. Nothing says speakers in an issue will be right. Speakers can be mad, bad, prejudiced and monumentally stupid.

4. If an issue has no options you like, the delete button remains available for you.



No, I want issues choices to have diversity in choice, as I stated in my example above all to often the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad

Go write your own issues then.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:19 am

Epluribus Unum wrote: the choices are bad, bad awful, horrible or bad
And that's what's so great about em
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