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[DRAFT] That's Dope

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:07 am

Draft 2:

TITLE:
That's Dope

VALIDITY:
No geronticide, drug use not absolutely banned.

DESCRIPTION:
This afternoon a meeting is being held about the common practice of Nursing Home residents with dementia being prescribed strong anti-psychotic medications for night sedation. These medications -- technically licensed to treat conditions like schizophrenia -- are often given to elderly people with severe dementia, in order to make them more settled at night time and easier to care for.

OPTION 1
"These inappropriate prescriptions carry a terrible health burden," observes Tsun Dao Ning, the Minister for Evidence-based Medicine, who moved @@HIS@@ mother into a nursing home so @@HE@@ could get the big bedroom. "All-cause mortality is doubled by the use of night sedation, mostly because of falls from muzzy-headed residents. Yet still doctors keep dishing them out, with over ninety percent of all prescriptions for that medication being given to care home residents with no psychosis. These medicines should be prescribable only by mental health specialists."

OUTCOME:
neighbours ask the elderly to keep the noise down at night

OPTION 2
"Look, it's easy for scientists in the rear echelons to bark orders, but it's different for us troops on the front line," argues care home worker Indy Worrs, whose seemingly inappropriate use of military metaphors is perhaps justified by the splatters of blood, faeces and custard on his work smock, and by the black eye he is sporting. "These medicines don't just make our job easier -- they make it possible. Let community doctors continue to prescribe. In fact, let community nurses and trained social workers prescribe too, when they see it is needed. Oh, and we need more care workers, and the best way to do that is for government to supplement the baseline wage level for our staff, to attract new recruits into this ongoing battle. Reinforcements, that's the ticket!"

OUTCOME:
nursing homes are quieter than they used to be

OPTION 3
"Where's the dignity of being old and useless?" spits fifeen-something-year-old wastrel Bette Roth-Dedd, who was meant to be attending the 'Teen Perspectives' focus group across the hall. "When people are so befuddled that they don't know where or when they are, it's probably time to put them down. That's all I have to say! Good morning to you!" She opens a door and exits dramatically, stepping straight into a broom cupboard.

OUTCOME:
only old people wear wristwatches


Draft 1
TITLE:
That's Dope

VALIDITY:
No geronticide, drug use not absolutely banned.

DESCRIPTION:
This afternoon a meeting is being held about the common practice of Nursing Home residents with dementia being prescribed strong anti-psychotic medications for night sedation. These medications -- technically licensed to treat conditions like schizophrenia -- are often given to elderly people with severe dementia, in order to make them more settled at night time and easier to care for.

OPTION 1
"These inappropriate prescriptions carry a terrible health burden," observes the Minister for Evidence-based Medicine, who moved @@HIS@@ mother into a nursing home so @@HE@@ could get the big bedroom. "All-cause mortality is doubled by their use, and yet doctors keep dishing them out, with over 90% of all prescriptions for that medication being given to care home residents with no psychosis. These medicines should be prescribable only by mental health specialists."


OUTCOME:
neighbours ask the elderly to keep the noise down at night

OPTION 2
"Look, it's easy for scientists in the rear echelons to bark orders, but it's different for us troops on the front line," argues care home worker @@RANDOMNAME@@, whose use of military metaphors is backed up by the splatters of blood, faeces and custard on @@HIS@@ work smock, and by the black eye @@HE@@ is sporting. "These medicines don't just make our job easier -- they make it possible. Let community doctors continue to prescribe. In fact, let community nurses and trained social workers prescribe too, when they see it is needed. That'll take the pressure off everybody."

OUTCOME:
nursing homes are quieter than they used to be

OPTION 3
"Where's the dignity of being old and useless?" spits a fifeen-something-year-old wastrel, who was meant to be attending the 'Teen Perspectives' focus group across the hall. "When eldsters don't know where or when they are, its time to put them down. That's all I have to say! Good morning to you!" @@HE@@ opens a door and exits dramatically, stepping straight into a broom cupboard.

OUTCOME:
only old people wear wristwatches
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:56 pm

Option 3- Do you propose to euthanise all old people just those with dementia?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:42 am

Just those with dementia, was the idea. Does the option imply otherwise from your reading?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:09 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Just those with dementia, was the idea. Does the option imply otherwise from your reading?

From my reading, the option makes it unclear
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:36 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:When eldsters don't know where or when they are, its time to put them down.
It's pretty clear, imho, but I can still imagine people missing that distinction and just assuming it's a general "Geronticide" option, especially when that's the named-and-shown policy.

While I'm here, a couple other things.

For the description - maybe add a joke about not remembering the meeting was booked? It'll have to make the description a bit longer but I reckon the extra humor is worth it. Example:
Halfway through a rather busy day, you've noticed a meeting in your schedule that you can't remember booking. Mentally noting to ask your secretary about it, you head off, only to find the meeting's topic is dementia, and the practice of prescribing unruly patients anti-psychotic medication. These medications -- technically licensed to treat conditions like schizophrenia -- are often given to elderly people with severe dementia, in order to make them more settled at night time and easier to care for.


And I believe it should be "fifteen" in option 3.

EDIT: tweaked wording in suggested description
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:53 pm

Pretty good, but I'm not sure I like the player autonomy options of dictating internal thoughts to that degree.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:18 pm

Or you know, nursing homes could hire more staff.

Time to take in some immigrants from Nui Va Song, perhaps. (Yes, I know diacritics are needed. I am just lazy.)
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:33 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Pretty good, but I'm not sure I like the player autonomy options of dictating internal thoughts to that degree.

Yeah, that's a fair assessment. If you reckon you can use the joke without so much of that problem go ahead (I guess you could remove the mental note bit, cut it down to just misremembering something), but otherwise your description as-is is still fine imo.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:41 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Or you know, nursing homes could hire more staff.

Time to take in some immigrants from Nui Va Song, perhaps. (Yes, I know diacritics are needed. I am just lazy.)



Good point. That could work as an option, though I worry it sidesteps the interesting ethical question.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:57 am

Draft 2 up, incorporating feedback and adding speaker names.
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Postby Lelscrep » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:23 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Or you know, nursing homes could hire more staff.

Time to take in some immigrants from Nui Va Song, perhaps. (Yes, I know diacritics are needed. I am just lazy.)



Good point. That could work as an option, though I worry it sidesteps the interesting ethical question.

Honestly I think (the ethical question being "Should these old people be easily and often prescribed strong anti-psychotic drugs with harsh side effects?") that "hire more staff" is side-stepping the complicated question just as much as "yeah just kill the old people who can't function" is. Additionally, it's a more realistic option, if that means anything.

Also, would the kid in option three still be in the woods for nations with the Child Rearing Policy? I genuinely don't know.
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Postby Jutsa » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:59 am

Excellent issue. That's all. :)
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:42 pm

Lelscrep wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:

Good point. That could work as an option, though I worry it sidesteps the interesting ethical question.

Honestly I think (the ethical question being "Should these old people be easily and often prescribed strong anti-psychotic drugs with harsh side effects?") that "hire more staff" is side-stepping the complicated question just as much as "yeah just kill the old people who can't function" is. Additionally, it's a more realistic option, if that means anything.

Also, would the kid in option three still be in the woods for nations with the Child Rearing Policy? I genuinely don't know.


Yeah, I added the staff hiring to option 2 for the current draft. That way people can support that principle without dodging the question.

The question of wild-reared children I think doesn't apply -- that one's about turning newborns and small children out into the wild. By their teenage years they'll be able to talk and offer offensive opinions.
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