[ABANDONED] I Love Art

[Awesomeland012345]

I need a better title. Help make good title pls.
Also need synonym for 'artwork'. pls post one.
The 'other effect' things are supposed to be what happens to the cards. but probably going to have to get rid of them.
note to self: do not make it like this: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88&start=25#492

Draft 6:

Validity: must have bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! Your overconfident Minister of Culture recently bought back hundreds of old @@DEMONYM@@ pieces of art that had been stolen long ago. The problem is, now museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Because your @@TYPE@@ is so dedicated to these paintings, several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: Your Minister of Culture quickly hides some valuable art under the table. "Well hey, I bought them because our @@TYPE@@ needs them. But apparently we can't hold them all so... can I just have them? I mean, it's not like I'm going to charge obscene rates to my personal museums that I bought for this exact reason." Trying to sneak one into @@HIS@@ pocket, @@HE@@ is tasered by a eagle-eyed security guard.

Effect: it costs 100 @@CURRENCY@@ per person to enter the new @@DEMONYM@@ museums.
Other effect: part of nation's deck capacity is junked.

Option 2: "Are you kidding? That would have us losing cash!" your Minister of Finance cuts in. "We can figure this whole thing out while making money. Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest. Of course, we'd keep the extra funds for ourselves..."

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government campaigning for @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ to buy some quality art.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity.

Option 3a: "We can just send these things to SPACE!" the famous military jet pilot @@RANDOMNAME@@ says. "There's lots of room up there! The only thing is you'll have to build a big museum up there. And rockets to get people there. And whatever. You get the point."

Effect: nobody can afford to see @@NAME@@'s famous 'space paintings'.
Other effect: nation upgrades deck capacity to max.

Validity: doesn't have space program.

Option 3b:"We can just send these things to SPACE!" the famous astronaut @@RANDOMNAME@@ says. "There's lots of room up there! The only thing is you'll have to get rid of all the people up there and replace them with artwork. And completely redesign the rockets to hold it. And whatever. You get the point."

Effect: nobody can afford to see @@NAME@@'s famous 'space paintings'.
Other effect: nation upgrades deck capacity to max.

Validity: has space program.

Validity: must have bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! A famous @@DEMONYN@@ art collector, @@RANDOMNAME@@, recently died and dedicated all of @@HIS@@ artwork to @@NAME@@'s museums. The problem is, now museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Because your @@TYPE@@ is so dedicated to these paintings, several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: @@RANDOMNAME@@, now @@NAME@@'s top art collector, is looking to make a monopoly off of the now deceased art collector. @@HE@@ says, "You want me to take these off your hands? Now that I'm number one, I have to get these all for myself and win the power struggle, so I'll buy all the ones that you can't hold, but there's a catch: you have to sell me them for cheap, I'm buying in bulk after all. What do you say?"

Effect: the nation's artwork is being sold for almost nothing.
Other effect: random cards from deck are junked until deck capacity is not exceeded.

Option 2: Your Minister of Culture quickly hides some valuable art under the table. "What? We can't sell them at that price! We need to preserve our @@TYPE@@'s culture and history and letting everyone enjoy it! Not leave it to some second-rate art collector who probably never look at it again. We must build more museums until we can hold them all!" Hoarding them all, @@HE@@ drops a painting to the floor.

Effect: the government is so desperate to build museums that they're built hundreds of miles away from civilization.
Other effect: nation's deck capacity is upgraded to fit however many cards they have.

Option 3: "Are you kidding? Both of those options will have us losing cash!" your Minister of Finance cuts in. "We can figure this whole thing out while making money. Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest. Of course, we'd keep the extra funds for ourselves..."

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government campaigning for @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ to buy some quality art.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity once.

Validity: Nation must be in top 250 for deck value/international artwork and must have bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! A famous @@DENOMYN@@ art collector, @@RANDOMNAME@@, recently died and dedicated all of @@HIS@@ artwork to @@NAME@@'s museums. The problem is, now museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Because your @@TYPE@@ is so dedicated to these paintings, several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: @@RANDOMNAME@@, now @@NAME@@'s top art collector, is looking to make a monopoly off of the now deceased art collector. @@HE@@ says, "You want me to take these off your hands? Now that I'm number one, I have to get these all for myself and win the power struggle, so I'll buy all the ones that you can't hold, but there's a catch: you have to sell me them for cheap, I'm buying in bulk after all. What do you say?"

Effect: the nation's artwork is being sold for almost nothing.
Other effect: random cards from deck are junked until deck capacity is not exceeded.

Option 2: Your Minister of Culture quickly hides some valuable art under the table. "What? We can't sell them at that price! We need to preserve our @@TYPE@@'s culture and history, not destroy it. We must build more museums until we can hold them all!" Hoarding them all, @@HE@@ drops a painting to the floor.

Effect: the government is so desperate to build museums that they're built hundreds of miles away from civilization.
Other effect: nation's deck capacity is upgraded to fit however many cards they have.

Option 3: "Are you kidding? Both of those options will have us losing cash!" your Minister of Finance cuts in. "We can figure this whole thing out while making money. Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest. Of course, we'd keep the extra funds for ourselves..."

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government campaigning for @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ to buy some quality art.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity once.

Validity: Nation must be in top 250 for deck value/international artwork and must have bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! The museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: @@RANDOMNAME@@, @@NAME@@'s top art collector says, "You want me to take these off your hands? I'll buy all the ones that you can't hold, but there's a catch: you have to sell me them for cheap, I'm buying in bulk after all. What do you say?"

Effect: the nation's artwork is being sold for almost nothing.
Other effect: random cards from deck are junked until deck capacity is not exceeded.

Option 2: Your Minister of Culture seems aghast at this offer. @@HE@@ exclaims, "What? Sell them? At that price? We need to preserve our @@TYPE@@'s culture and history, not destroy it, where it would be lost from @@DENOMYN@@ history for decades. We must build more museums until we can hold them all!"

Effect: the government is so desperate to build museums that they're built hundreds of miles away from civilization.
Other effect: nation's deck capacity is upgraded to fit however many cards they have.

Option 3: "I have a solution that won't cause any problems at all!" your Minister of Finance cuts in. "Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest!"

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government is auctioning them off for almost nothing.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity once.

Validity: Nation must be in top 250 for deck value/international artwork and must bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! The museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: @@RANDOMNAME@@, @@NAME@@'s top art collector says, "You want me to take these off your hands? I'll buy all the ones that you can't hold, but there's a catch: you have to sell me them for cheap, I'm buying in bulk after all. What do you say?"

Effect: the nation's artwork is being sold for pennies.
Other effect: random cards from deck are junked until deck capacity is not exceeded.

Option 2: Your minister of culture exclaims, "What? Sell them? At that price? No! We must build more museums until we can hold them all!"

Effect: the government is so desperate to build museums that they're built hundreds of miles away from civilization.
Other effect: nation's deck capacity is upgraded to fit however many cards they have.

Option 3: "I have a solution that won't cause any problems at all!" your minister of finance cuts in. "Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest!"

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government is auctioning them off cheap.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity once.

Validity: Nation must be in top 200 for deck value/international artwork and must bought cards over their deck capacity.

Description: @@NAME@@ can't hold any more artwork! The museums are filled to the brim, and the storehouses jammed full! Several of your ministers and art connoisseurs have met and invited you to discuss the problem.

Option 1: @@RANDOMNAME@@, @@NAME@@'s top art collector says, "You want me to take these off your hands? I'll buy all the ones that you can't hold, but there's a catch: you have to sell me them for cheap, I'm buying in bulk after all. What do you say?"

Effect: the nation's artwork is being sold for pennies.
Other effect: random cards from deck are junked until deck capacity is not exceeded.

Option 2: Your minister of culture exclaims, "What? Sell them? At that price? No! We must build more museums until we can hold them all!"

Effect: the government is so desperate to build museums that they're built hundreds of miles away from civilization.
Other effect: nation's deck capacity is upgraded to fit however many cards they have.

Option 3: "I have a solution that won't cause any problems at all!" your minister of finance cuts in. "Sell our artwork to the highest bidder, and with the funds we raise, we build the museums to hold the rest!"

Effect: the nation's youth are becoming interested in card collecting as the government is auctioning them off cheap.
Other effect: the nation's deck is auctioned until it has enough bank to upgrade it's deck capacity once.

[Sunhizria]

is that easter egg number 14 in work ?


edit ; how about 200 or cards in your deck, as a validity.
top 200%, i doubt there any issues with that validity, means only 200 nations can ever receive this issue

[Awesomeland012345]

is that easter egg number 14 in work ?


edit ; how about 200 or cards in your deck, as a validity.
top 200%, i doubt there any issues with that validity, means only 200 nations can ever receive this issue

Easter egg? I just like cards, and I thought an issue about them would be cool.

And also, I put top 200 nations because to be a national issue, it has to be pressing. If you're top 200 (which honestly isn't that hard), you probably actually care about cards. Generally, people outside of the top 200 don't really actually seem to care about cards enough (at least with my observations), but it'd probably be reasonable to change it to top 250.

[The Supreme Vatican Caliphate]

A few problems.

One, top 250 is far too restrictive. Perhaps top 10,000?

Two, ‘sell them for cheap’ doesn’t sound right. Perhaps ‘sell them for almost nothing’ would work better.

Three, most nations don’t use pennies.

Four, option two is far too short. Add two more sentences.

Five, it’s Minister of Finance, not minister of finance.

Six, don’t mention cards, or ANYTHING related to the card mechanics, at ALL.

[Westinor]

Three, most nations don’t use pennies.

There's a policy that determines whether a nations use pennies.

[The Supreme Vatican Caliphate]

Three, most nations don’t use pennies.

There's a policy that determines whether a nations use pennies.

I can guarantee you, there isn’t. This is Minskiev’s alt, by the way.

[Awesomeland012345]

One, top 250 is far too restrictive. Perhaps top 10,000?

As I stated above, unless you're in around the top 250, you're generally not a serious card collector. And if international artwork wasn't a big deal in @@NAME@@, then @@LEADER@@ wouldn't have to address it. For example, you're in the top 25% of the world for international artwork, despite only joining recently and not having any card farming puppets. Other ideas are good tho.

[The Supreme Vatican Caliphate]

One, top 250 is far too restrictive. Perhaps top 10,000?

As I stated above, unless you're in around the top 250, you're generally not a serious card collector. And if international artwork wasn't a big deal in @@NAME@@, then @@LEADER@@ wouldn't have to address it. For example, you're in the top 25% of the world for international artwork, despite only joining recently and not having any card farming puppets. Other ideas are good tho.

This is an alt account. My main nation does a decent bit of card collecting, and I’d reckon it’s in the top 6,000.

[Minskiev]

Sorry for the double post. This is my main account, and you see I’ve got a decent quantity of epic and ultra rare cards, yet I’m in the top 7,000. Top 250 is absurd.

[Awesomeland012345]

honestly (not to be mean or anything), a bit of card collecting isn't really impressive. The world average for deck value is around 9 bank. If you just answer issues and open packs, then you can get that much bank in a few months. Top 250 honestly isn't that hard. Get a few puppets, farm for a few months, and you're in the top 250. I'm in the top 250, and I only started farming around May. And I'm not even farming very consistently.

[Minskiev]

honestly (not to be mean or anything), a bit of card collecting isn't really impressive. The world average for deck value is around 9 bank. If you just answer issues and open packs, then you can get that much bank in a few months. Top 250 honestly isn't that hard. Get a few puppets, farm for a few months, and you're in the top 250. I'm in the top 250, and I only started farming around May. And I'm not even farming very consistently.

Never said it was impressive, however you’re simply making a niche issue.

[Awesomeland012345]

you’re simply making a niche issue.

I kinda am. I wanted this issue to be for people who were serious about collecting cards. Otherwise it wouldn't really make sense for the player.

[Daarwyrth]

I agree that top 250 is far too restrictive. I understand the sentiment behind why you'd want to do that, but I think that top 2000 would be far more reasonable, yet even that feels too restricted already. To be safe, I'd do top 5000.

[The Ferret Lands]

you’re simply making a niche issue.

I kinda am. I wanted this issue to be for people who were serious about collecting cards. Otherwise it wouldn't really make sense for the player.

Well it doesn't make sense for this game to make an issue than almost nobody will ever see.

[Awesomeland012345]

I kinda am. I wanted this issue to be for people who were serious about collecting cards. Otherwise it wouldn't really make sense for the player.

Well it doesn't make sense for this game to make an issue than almost nobody will ever see.

I agree that top 250 is far too restrictive. I understand the sentiment behind why you'd want to do that, but I think that top 2000 would be far more reasonable, yet even that feels too restricted already. To be safe, I'd do top 5000.

the top 5000 is less than the world average for international artwork. World average is about 9 deck value, top 5000 is around 1 deck value.

[Minskiev]

Well it doesn't make sense for this game to make an issue than almost nobody will ever see.

I agree that top 250 is far too restrictive. I understand the sentiment behind why you'd want to do that, but I think that top 2000 would be far more reasonable, yet even that feels too restricted already. To be safe, I'd do top 5000.

the top 5000 is less than the world average for international artwork. World average is about 9 deck value, top 5000 is around 1 deck value.

Well, then do above world average as your validity.

[Daarwyrth]

Well it doesn't make sense for this game to make an issue than almost nobody will ever see.

I agree that top 250 is far too restrictive. I understand the sentiment behind why you'd want to do that, but I think that top 2000 would be far more reasonable, yet even that feels too restricted already. To be safe, I'd do top 5000.

the top 5000 is less than the world average for international artwork. World average is about 9 deck value, top 5000 is around 1 deck value.

I have no idea, since I don't engage in the cards side of NS anyway

However, you can't make this issue too restrictive. It's why someone made the comment about easter eggs earlier, because those are really hard to get and you have to have some special requirements for that. If the issue editors want to include a new easter egg, then this issue might be a possible idea for one. But most likely this will enter the regular pool for issues, so you can't restrict the amount of player that will get it too much.

If you really insist on making this restricted to the top 250, you'll need to ask the issue editors whether they'd be interested in this as an easter egg, because for that type of issue it would be perfect. However, I strongly urge you to up the validity to the average that people have in terms of decks.

[Narvatus]

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity, considering nothing in the issue text says anything about a high deck value/high value of the art.

[Minskiev]

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity.

That’s impossible.

[Daarwyrth]

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity, considering nothing in the issue text says anything about a high deck value/high value of the art.

No, it would have to be tied to the International Artwork stat, I believe.

[Awesomeland012345]

the top 5000 is less than the world average for international artwork. World average is about 9 deck value, top 5000 is around 1 deck value.

wait. I did that wrong. I looked at top 50000. Here's a thingy for the top 5000 compared to the world average. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new ... 86?world=1

Also, I'm tired of debating about what deck value should get this issue; the issue editors can decide when I submit the issue, if it even becomes one. I'll just keep it as is for now though.

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity.

That’s impossible.

actually, it's not. if you buy cards when your deck capacity if full, then you still get them.

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity, considering nothing in the issue text says anything about a high deck value/high value of the art.

idk, if seems like if the nation doesn't really do cards but still has deck capacity reached, it doesn't seem like it should be a national issue. But who knows, maybe that's the better option. But again, I don't really feel like debating that, because if it becomes an issue the editors can decide.

[Noahs Second Country]

Perhaps the only validity should be if the nation has more cards than their deck capacity.

That’s impossible.

Not only is it possible, but a pretty significant amount of players are well over capacity. See DGES, 9003(who has 110K cards with a capacity of 700), etc..

There's a policy that determines whether a nations use pennies.

I can guarantee you, there isn’t. This is Minskiev’s alt, by the way.

Huh, didn't know you were an editor.



The problem with any cards based validity is that the majority of nations who would receive it are card farming puppets, which isn't particularly ideal. You're also using the world average value of 9 in your arguements, which is heavily skewed by huge farmers. For example, TNL and I make up around 50% of The North Pacific's deck value, so the average stat is very misleading. The top 250 is a pretty small pool of nations, especially when you consider that some people (such as myself) have multiple accounts within the already tiny threshold. You're going to have to take a different approach at the validity, and the added effects would make this an insta-dismiss for most people.

[The Supreme Vatican Caliphate]

Wait, you can break the limit? Hmm, never knew that.

Also, never said I was an editor.

[Westinor]

I can guarantee you, there isn’t. This is Minskiev’s alt, by the way.

From the second post of Writer's Block as to policies still needed,

No Cents - As per 343, small denomination coins have been withdrawn. One reversal exists at present, but requires you to have another rare policy active. Low priority: An issue that reverses this with non-stringent entry requirements.

Along with other commentary I've heard, I'm rather sure there is a no cents policy.

EDIT: By the way, this is in reference for policies currently in need of replacements. The post is fairly dated, but as far as I know a pure reversal still hasn't been published.

[Noahs Second Country]

Wait, you can break the limit? Hmm, never knew that.

Also, never said I was an editor.

Sorry, that was an uncalled for sarcastic remark on my part.

You're being awfully assertive about things you may not be particularly well versed in though, which then results in the spread of misinformation or creates the need for people to correct you.