[DRAFT] Workplace Clothing Discrimination hits new heights

[Wanarpu]

Please help me come up with a better title

Anyway, here’s the issue

A woman working at one of @@NATION@@‘s top law firms has sued her former employers for wrongfully termination, as they claimed her clothing was not ‘appropriate’ for the workplace. Protestors and lobbyists representing many points of view have come to ask you to take action.

[option] “This is a horrible, horrible act of sexism,” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the terminated lawyer. “It’s obvious that I was fired because my puritanical employers place unfairly prejudiced standards on women like me. Employers should have the same expectations for dress codes regardless of gender!”

> effect: Dress codes are written about in history textbooks as ‘tools of the patriarchy’

[option] “Sexism!? No way!” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, one of the partners at @@RANDOMNAME@@ and @@RANDOMNAME@@ Law Firm, the employer in question. “Women wearing pants is not acceptable in the workplace. We need to have dress codes that demand only the highest standards of professionalism. The courtroom demands the most formal of wear. Pants are too casual. Too disrespectful,” he says, rushing out before his own lower body’s clothing is put into question.

> effect: Kilts become the court clothing of choice

[option] “You know what would solve workplace discrimination on the basis of clothing?” says a nudist lobbyist. “Making clothes illegal!! And, I guess, all of the things she wants too”

> effect: Rates of lawsuits against doctors for unsanitary practices double

New social policy: Nudity

[option] “That’s good and all, but you know what the real problem is?” says a man wearing a helmet adorned with a hammer and sickle. “Capitalism. As long as we give employers the ability to fire and hire people with no accountability, we won’t be able to end oppression in our systems. Let’s end free markets and make sure the economy works for the workers”

> Fired workers get paid for weeks before the government processes their unemployment

New Policy: Socialism

[option] “Why are we even letting women work?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an old man representing a group of religious traditionalists. “They clearly weren’t built for the workforce. We should require they stay at home and raise kids again.”

> worker shortages cause baby boys to be forced to work on the assembly lines

[Tinhampton]

Effect lines exist (and should be funny). Macros also exist. Try ""We are all doomed!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, a street preacher" instead of ""We are all doomed!" cries _______, a street preacher."

Your description alludes to a situation where that the female lawyer was fired for a horrible violation of antiquated dress codes (such as wearing trousers to work, for instance). Option 2, in fact, confirms that she was fired for wearing clothing that just so happened to be a few centimetres longer or shorter than required. So which is it - are you going for the moral-outrage angle or the annoying-technicality angle?

Check for conflict with Issue #593 "A Right to Bare Arms?" - although that issue is about clothing standards in society rather than just at the workplace.

[Wanarpu]

Effect lines exist (and should be funny). Macros also exist. Try ""We are all doomed!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, a street preacher" instead of ""We are all doomed!" cries _______, a street preacher."

Your description alludes to a situation where that the female lawyer was fired for a horrible violation of antiquated dress codes (such as wearing trousers to work, for instance). Option 2, in fact, confirms that she was fired for wearing clothing that just so happened to be a few centimetres longer or shorter than required. So which is it - are you going for the moral-outrage angle or the annoying-technicality angle?

Check for conflict with Issue #593 "A Right to Bare Arms?" - although that issue is about clothing standards in society rather than just at the workplace.

Thank you for your comment. I’ll modify the topic to specifically regard antiquated dress codes, as that seems more fitting for the context.

I’m not fully clear what you mean about the effect lines and macros? is this an issue regarding formatting or the content or how the content is presented?

[Tinhampton]

I’m not fully clear what you mean about the effect lines and macros? is this an issue regarding formatting or the content or how the content is presented?

Formatting, mostly. Wannabe issue submitters are bound by a written and notarised contract in triplicate the Law of Checkbox to affirm that they have read this FAQ topic, where you can learn more about the proper use of macros.

[Wanarpu]

ok i think i’ve fixed most of those issues, please let me know what i can still improve

[Pythaga]

When a character is speaking, use " for quotation marks instead of what you are currently doing. Additionally, all of your options need to end with some sort of punctuation, either a period or exclamation point.

A woman working at one of [Nation]’s top law firms has sued her former employees for terminating her because her clothing was not ‘appropriate’ for the workplace. Protestors and lobbyists representing many points of view have come to ask you to take action.

Replace [Nation] with @@NAME@@, which is the correct macro to get the country's name. Additionally, the first sentence is a run-on and the wording is a little awkward, especially with how it repeats 'her'. I'd recommend rewording it.

[option] ‘This is a horrible, horrible act of sexism,’ says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the terminated lawyer. ‘It’s obvious that I was fired because my puritanical employers place unfairly prejudiced standards on women like me. You should mandate that employers cannot place higher levels of dress code expectations on women’

I'd recommend replacing the last sentence so that the option either mandates that male and female dress codes are identical; or so that the option bans dress codes all together.

[Wanarpu]

When a character is speaking, use " for quotation marks instead of what you are currently doing. Additionally, all of your options need to end with some sort of punctuation, either a period or exclamation point.

A woman working at one of [Nation]’s top law firms has sued her former employees for terminating her because her clothing was not ‘appropriate’ for the workplace. Protestors and lobbyists representing many points of view have come to ask you to take action.

Replace [Nation] with @@NAME@@, which is the correct macro to get the country's name. Additionally, the first sentence is a run-on and the wording is a little awkward, especially with how it repeats 'her'. I'd recommend rewording it.

[option] ‘This is a horrible, horrible act of sexism,’ says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the terminated lawyer. ‘It’s obvious that I was fired because my puritanical employers place unfairly prejudiced standards on women like me. You should mandate that employers cannot place higher levels of dress code expectations on women’

I'd recommend replacing the last sentence so that the option either mandates that male and female dress codes are identical; or so that the option bans dress codes all together.

Sounds good, i’ll make these cjanges

[USS Monitor]

We have an issue about dress codes #820.

[Wanarpu]

We have an issue about dress codes #820.

looks like this would overlap heavily with that.

[USS Monitor]

We have an issue about dress codes #820.

looks like this would overlap heavily with that.

Yeah.

If it wasn't for the overlap, there's places you could go with this. But with the overlap, it might be better to work on a different topic.

[Australian rePublic]

What the fudge? Men have much, much stricter dress codes than women. The difference is significant. Women are actually allowed to wear clothes which are confortable. Same can't be said for men

Tell me which you'd prefer to wear

Now, which would you prefer to wear in summer? Business attire is the one area where women have it easier than men

It's orders of magnitude more difficult to get the women's attire wrong than it is to get the men's attire wrong.

As a man who's been terminated from a job for inadequate grooming standards because of inadequate grooming standards, especially considering that the woman who fired me was wearing a one piece dress that was impossible to stuff up, whilst I had to wear a full suite and tie and all that bullshit and I was working there for free, and considering that, even though it was a hotel both of us were hidden away from the public in offices, and I was working there for free. Especially considering that all these options echo the same bullshit about it being sexism. If it is sexist against men, because women's business attire is so much easier to wear than men's. Now, at that same hotel, the women who worked in front of customers had a more difficult time as they had higher grooming standards than the women who worked behind the scenes, but what they wore was not any more difficult than what the men wore. In fact, IIRC, they didn't even have to wear humanity's most pointless invention, the tie, whilst the men did. Now there is one area and one area alone where women have it more difficult than men when it comes to dress codes, and that is if some piece of shit human being makes you wear high heels for your job. But that is a seperate issue than any other attire that already exists. Also, forcing women to wear high heels to work is not to work is not sexism, it's just being a first degree dick. Not everything is sexism you know, sometimes companies are just dicks to everyone, men and women. Now, this issue could be different from 820, especially if it focuses on what men have to wear compare to women, but please cut the bullshit about sexism against women, when it's clearly not. If this one specific company was punishing women exclusively for violating dress codes, then this company was the world's weirdest outlier, and not a leader issue

[USS Monitor]

What the fudge? Men have much, much stricter dress codes than women. The difference is significant. Women are actually allowed to wear clothes which are confortable. Same can't be said for men

Tell me which you'd prefer to wear

(Image)

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Now, which would you prefer to wear in summer? Business attire is the one area where women have it easier than men

It's orders of magnitude more difficult to get the women's attire wrong than it is to get the men's attire wrong.

As a man who's been terminated from a job for inadequate grooming standards because of inadequate grooming standards, especially considering that the woman who fired me was wearing a one piece dress that was impossible to stuff up, whilst I had to wear a full suite and tie and all that bullshit and I was working there for free, and considering that, even though it was a hotel both of us were hidden away from the public in offices, and I was working there for free. Especially considering that all these options echo the same bullshit about it being sexism. If it is sexist against men, because women's business attire is so much easier to wear than men's. Now, at that same hotel, the women who worked in front of customers had a more difficult time as they had higher grooming standards than the women who worked behind the scenes, but what they wore was not any more difficult than what the men wore. In fact, IIRC, they didn't even have to wear humanity's most pointless invention, the tie, whilst the men did. Now there is one area and one area alone where women have it more difficult than men when it comes to dress codes, and that is if some piece of shit human being makes you wear high heels for your job. But that is a seperate issue than any other attire that already exists. Also, forcing women to wear high heels to work is not to work is not sexism, it's just being a first degree dick. Not everything is sexism you know, sometimes companies are just dicks to everyone, men and women. Now, this issue could be different from 820, especially if it focuses on what men have to wear compare to women, but please cut the bullshit about sexism against women, when it's clearly not. If this one specific company was punishing women exclusively for violating dress codes, then this company was the world's weirdest outlier, and not a leader issue

Aussie, just stop. We're not in NSG, and your assertion that high heels are somehow a separate issue from every other gendered dress code is moronic.

[Australian rePublic]

What the fudge? Men have much, much stricter dress codes than women. The difference is significant. Women are actually allowed to wear clothes which are confortable. Same can't be said for men

Tell me which you'd prefer to wear

(Image)

(Image)

Now, which would you prefer to wear in summer? Business attire is the one area where women have it easier than men

It's orders of magnitude more difficult to get the women's attire wrong than it is to get the men's attire wrong.

As a man who's been terminated from a job for inadequate grooming standards because of inadequate grooming standards, especially considering that the woman who fired me was wearing a one piece dress that was impossible to stuff up, whilst I had to wear a full suite and tie and all that bullshit and I was working there for free, and considering that, even though it was a hotel both of us were hidden away from the public in offices, and I was working there for free. Especially considering that all these options echo the same bullshit about it being sexism. If it is sexist against men, because women's business attire is so much easier to wear than men's. Now, at that same hotel, the women who worked in front of customers had a more difficult time as they had higher grooming standards than the women who worked behind the scenes, but what they wore was not any more difficult than what the men wore. In fact, IIRC, they didn't even have to wear humanity's most pointless invention, the tie, whilst the men did. Now there is one area and one area alone where women have it more difficult than men when it comes to dress codes, and that is if some piece of shit human being makes you wear high heels for your job. But that is a seperate issue than any other attire that already exists. Also, forcing women to wear high heels to work is not to work is not sexism, it's just being a first degree dick. Not everything is sexism you know, sometimes companies are just dicks to everyone, men and women. Now, this issue could be different from 820, especially if it focuses on what men have to wear compare to women, but please cut the bullshit about sexism against women, when it's clearly not. If this one specific company was punishing women exclusively for violating dress codes, then this company was the world's weirdest outlier, and not a leader issue

Aussie, just stop. We're not in NSG, and your assertion that high heels are somehow a separate issue from every other gendered dress code is moronic.

Am I wrong? Also, Wanarpu wanted feedback, I'm providing feedback

[Drasnia]

Aussie, just stop. We're not in NSG, and your assertion that high heels are somehow a separate issue from every other gendered dress code is moronic.

Am I wrong? Also, Wanarpu wanted feedback, I'm providing feedback

Mate, the majority of your post was incredibly off-topic and rant-y. Are you seriously going to try and argue with Monitor over this?

[Australian rePublic]

You're right, you're right. I'm sorry for bringing my personal vendettas into this. That was uncalled for. But I still stand by what I said about men's business attire being more complex than that of women

[Prussiiia]

is she has a problem with it she can quit the work force and go back to her children at home where she belongs

[Tinhampton]

is she has a problem with it she can quit the work force and go back to her children at home where she belongs

:iDontEven:

This draft already has an option requiring women to stay at home and look after the kid(s)(?).

[Australian rePublic]

More to my point, but with less of a personal vendetta-


Why would this only be a problem for women? Men could also get terminated for the same reason

[Prussiiia]

wair proper clothes if you dont wanna get fired

[Prussiiia]

is she has a problem with it she can quit the work force and go back to her children at home where she belongs

[option] “Why are we even letting women work?” says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an old man representing a group of religious traditionalists. “They clearly weren’t built for the workforce. We should require they stay at home and raise kids again.”

[The Free Joy State]

wair proper clothes if you dont wanna get fired

This is not NationStates General. Please confine any and all comments to the draft.

This is not a place to debate women working or business clothes in general.