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[CONTEST] [DRAFT] Scrutinize Cretinous Commoners

Postby Fauxia » Fri May 08, 2020 6:37 pm

I’m sorry the title’s not great, but I couldn’t come up with anything better. Suggestions are welcome.

[description] @@NAME@@’s strict immigration standards prevent foreigners from becoming citizens without proper education in the nation’s culture and history. However, a recent study shows that many natural-born @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ could not pass the same exam.

[validity] picked 491.3, allows (some) immigration, medium to high political apathy or medium to high ignorance

[option] "I don’t see why we need to hold immigrants to a different standard than natives," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an advisor of yours who broke @@HIS@@ eyeglasses today. "We ought to treat everyone in @@NAME@@ the same and make them take the citizenship exam when they reach the age of majority. If they fail, they can be sent to whatever country their family originated from. If we can’t find it, just send them to Bigtopia; I hear they could use some cheap labor."
[fallout] twelfth-generation @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ are deported to countries they’ve never heard of

must have elections
[option] "That’s a bit too far," claims another advisor, @@RANDOMNAME@@, standing less than an inch away from you. "Native-born citizens have a right to stay here, and besides, you surely don’t want those World Assembly hags sending you cease-and-desist letters again. A better idea is to prevent anyone who can’t pass a shortened version of the citizenship test from voting. They’re probably opposition voters, anyway."
[fallout] anyone ignorant of @@LEADER@@’s superiority to the opposition is disenfranchised

[option] "There’s no need to address this so harshly," asserts high school teacher @@RANDOMNAME@@, stroking a wooden switch. "If we increase funding on education, with a focus on civics, there won’t be any more of these ignoramuses. A bit of education never hurt anyone too much."
[fallout] the only science still taught in @@NAME@@ is political science
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Postby Lelscrep » Fri May 08, 2020 6:49 pm

I feel as if there should be an option to undo strict immigration standards, at least the harsh testing.
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Postby Fauxia » Fri May 08, 2020 7:00 pm

Lelscrep wrote:I feel as if there should be an option to undo strict immigration standards, at least the harsh testing.

Maybe, since there’s only 2 options for dictatorships, but I hesitate because other issues, like #34, do that (more or less), and it doesn’t seem a substantial enough policy that it needs a re-call.
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Postby Lelscrep » Fri May 08, 2020 7:09 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Lelscrep wrote:I feel as if there should be an option to undo strict immigration standards, at least the harsh testing.

Maybe, since there’s only 2 options for dictatorships, but I hesitate because other issues, like #34, do that (more or less), and it doesn’t seem a substantial enough policy that it needs a re-call.

Eh, people change their minds all the time, and might want more of a way to undo strict immigration policy. I'd say easier immigration is an issue pretty important to some people.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri May 08, 2020 7:10 pm

Shouldn't you improve your own country's education?
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri May 08, 2020 7:11 pm

I think the not-for-dictatorships option can stand to be dropped, anyway. It lacks direction.

Options I'd see are:
1. Put natives through the same tests as immigrants and banish (or otherwise punish) those who fail. (Your current first option.)
2. Embrace the hypocricy. Natives are inherently better people than immigrants and so don't need to pass the same test to prove their worth, or something like that. (Your current second option half-says this but doesn't commit to it, since it then also goes ahead and implements a weaker version of the first option instead.)
3. Boost schooling to help natives pass the tests. (Your current last option. Admittedly I wouldn't have thought of this one myself.) Possible effect line: "the main purpose of school is to teach students how to pass school exams".
4. Abolish or tone down the tests, making it easier to immigrate. (Maybe a bit of a boring "obvious" option, but there's room for those on issues. It just feels like something that should be brought up in this debate.)

Australian rePublic wrote:Shouldn't you improve your owm country's education?
That is literally the third option.

As you are demonstrating, some people just won't get something no matter how good education is.
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Postby Ko-oren » Sat May 09, 2020 2:49 am

With a comment like Trott's, there's not much to comment on.

Still, I was surprised to see an issue like wasn't there already, so please continue this. As for the options, there are a lot of possibilities that are still open.
- Dismiss button
- Pro-immigration (for everyone)
- Pro-immigration (for highly educated migrants)
- Anti-immigration
- Compromise
- Changing your own nation a little (option 3)

I'm not sure about making 2 a partisan option.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat May 09, 2020 3:47 am

Option 2- native born citizens? What about those who born overseas? The USA classifies some people who were born overseas as native born citizens, at least when it comes to elidgability to run for president. What about people in overseas military bases? What do they qualify as?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat May 09, 2020 3:48 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Shouldn't you improve your owm country's education?
That is literally the third option.

As you are demonstrating, some people just won't get something no matter how good education is.

Nah. I just didn't read it properly :oops:
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Postby Fauxia » Sat May 09, 2020 12:26 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Option 2- native born citizens? What about those who born overseas? The USA classifies some people who were born overseas as native born citizens, at least when it comes to elidgability to run for president. What about people in overseas military bases? What do they qualify as?

Good point. What I really mean is citizens by birth. I’ll look to be more careful next draft.
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