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[DRAFT] A Minor Political Problem

Postby Sacara » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:17 am

[Name] A Minor Political Problem
[Desc] After the conclusion of the latest election cycle, it has been discovered a MP from your party received over half of their campaign funds from the donations of children.
[Validity] is a democracy

[option] "Oh, how reprehensible! How can we possibly let this continue?" cries one of the parents of a child who gave their money to the MP. "I got suspicious when little Timmy kept asking me for money every day, and it turns out he was just giving it away to some random stranger! These young folks aren't even able to vote yet, but politicians are already taking their money. Please expel this MP at once and you must prohibit any candidates from taking money from children!"
[effect] it's seen as a conflict of interest for politicians to accept birthday presents from their kids

[option] "What's the harm in this? Are they not @@DEMONYM@@, too?" rebuts the MP at the center of the debate, who you notice is wearing a t-shirt with a skateboard and a skull on it. "I love listening to the young people of @@NAME@@, and they just so happen to resonate with what I have to say enough to kindly give me generous donations. There are also some very smart kids, like that climate activist Etta Thumbberg, who knows what they're doing. Besides, it's not like I'm forcing them; it should be their decision as to how they spend their money, not the government's."
[effect] politicians can be seen taking candy from babies

[option] "I don't know about you guys, but I see this as an untapped gold mine!" excitedly announces your chief election strategist, practically jumping for joy. "Our MP was onto something here, something big. Next election cycle we should target schools around @@NAME@@, maybe even giving our free ice cream to those who give us donations in return. Perhaps we should even allow these kids to vote, right at their own school! My, how hasn't anyone thought of this before? This will be great for us!"
[effect] elementary students proudly show off their "I Just Voted" stickers to their teachers

Changelog:
  • Changed option one's effect line
  • Slightly changed option two's effect line
  • Added reference to Gretta Thurnberg in option two
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:29 am

Amusing, but quite "out there". Is there a real life precedent you're basing this on? I know that in the US at least, minors can't donate.
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Postby Sacara » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:32 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Amusing, but quite "out there". Is there a real life precedent you're basing this on?
Honestly, there is no precedent this is based off of. However, I came up with the idea after doing some researching campaign finance laws in the United States and found that minors can donate, even if they are not allowed to vote. Then, my mind somehow created this crazy scenario of a politician potentially receiving large amounts of money from minors, and I wrote this issue. :)

EDIT: I didn't see your edit in time, but yes in the United States minors can donate.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 am

Lots of different types of candidates in the US, but this page suggests that children can't donate to federal candidates:

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and ... ontribute/
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 am

Oh, I misread it.

Subject to limitations, gotcha.
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Postby Sacara » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:38 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Oh, I misread it.

Subject to limitations, gotcha.
Haha, yep. The campaign finance laws in the United States are really confusing, especially considering Citizens United v. FEC.

Hopefully this isn't too far out there, though, to make a good issue. :)
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 am

[effect] teenagers feel even more voiceless in @@NAME@@


Even more voiceless than what? The effect line won't make much sense on a nation front page.

[effect] politicians can be seen literally taking candy from babies


Good line! I'd lose "literally" though.
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Postby Socio Polor » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:50 am

This is great Sacara! the only thing I would do is for the last effect line to remove "elementary" sense it's targeting all students, simple suggestion, though you could leave it. All in all, good luck! :)
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Postby Makdon » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:43 pm

Socio Polor wrote:This is great Sacara! the only thing I would do is for the last effect line to remove "elementary" sense it's targeting all students, simple suggestion, though you could leave it. All in all, good luck! :)

I think it's for the comedic effect
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:05 pm

I wouldn't expect most children to have enough money to make a meaningful difference.

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Postby Candensia » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:34 pm

I just had a quick idea for the first effect line.

[effect] - it's seen as a conflict of interest for politicians to accept birthday presents from their kids
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Postby Lelscrep » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:38 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I wouldn't expect most children to have enough money to make a meaningful difference.

Option one has an example of a child asking for money from their parents, I assume it would be along those lines.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:20 pm

Was this child Greta Thunburg?
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Postby Sacara » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:02 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
[effect] politicians can be seen literally taking candy from babies
Good line! I'd lose "literally" though.
I literally removed 'literally.' :P

Socio Polor wrote:This is great Sacara! the only thing I would do is for the last effect line to remove "elementary" sense it's targeting all students, simple suggestion, though you could leave it. All in all, good luck! :)
As Makdon said, it's more for comedic effect. I'll keep it as is, but thanks for the suggestion!

Candensia wrote:I just had a quick idea for the first effect line.

[effect] - it's seen as a conflict of interest for politicians to accept birthday presents from their kids
I adopted this in its entirety. Thanks Candensia!

Trotterdam wrote:I wouldn't expect most children to have enough money to make a meaningful difference.
As Leiscrep pointed out, that is why I added a tidbit in option one. In addition, if there are a lot of children donating even a few bucks, it begins to add up.

Australian rePublic wrote:Was this child Greta Thunburg?
;)


All in all, I completely replaced option one's effect line and slightly altered option two's effect line. Thanks everyone for the suggestions so far, and I would like to hear more.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:47 am

A nod to Greta in one of the options would be a good reference, I think.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:51 am

What if instead you say how teachers dedicate an entire unit to teaching them who to vote for...
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:59 am

How much did the child give, how old was the child, and where did he/she get it from? There's a difference between a working 16 y/o who used part of $50 from his wages, vs. A 10 y/o raking up a $10000 credit card debt for his/her parents
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:08 am

There's at least one existing issue that lets you give children the right to vote, and IIRC the right to stand for election. Maybe if you've done that, and it's tracked, this should influence the situation? At the very least, perhaps candidates who are children should be able to receive donations from children even if adult candidates can't?
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Postby Sacara » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:20 pm

Bears Armed wrote:There's at least one existing issue that lets you give children the right to vote, and IIRC the right to stand for election. Maybe if you've done that, and it's tracked, this should influence the situation? At the very least, perhaps candidates who are children should be able to receive donations from children even if adult candidates can't?
Hm... that seems like a good idea for a direct follow up to that issue, though I think it would be a stretch tying it to this premise. ;)

I went and added a nod to Gretta Thurnberg in option two. Still accepting feedback!
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Postby Sacara » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:42 pm

Also feel this one is nearing the submission point. Going to leave up for a few more days to get feedback, though.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:22 am

Free ice cream seems a bit counterproductive, as it'll cost money. Maybe "tell the schools to give free ice cream to".
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