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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:09 am

Land Without Shrimp wrote:I have another question on the Food Quality front. Fascinating seeing the Food Quality / Health data, as that was something I was wondering about! But what I'd really like to know now is...how does Culture/Food Quality compare? Seems to be quite strongly correlated from my observations, but would like to see what the data says!

Right now, I'm really struggling with seeing what bumps up food quality. Seems like it is increased more through secondary interactions than anything.

I will add that into the queue. Culture (Y) vs Food Quality (X), it is! Thanks for your suggestion! ♥


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#4-3: Employment (Y) vs Economic Freedom (X)

Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:27 am

As requested by Barlyy, we have Employment (Y) vs Economic Freedom (X) once again but for the new data, making this the very first time we see a repeat. Not that it's an issue, of course. ♥ I would make a side-by-side comparison with the old data, but I did not think about it that far just yet, and there would be way too many screenshots. ^^;

The Regression Line is Y = -2.5902e-02X + 6.7486e+01; Root-Mean Square Error is 10.2081, the R-Squared Score is 0.0201373, both accurate to 6 significant figures.

The usual graphs with Density Function as the z-axis / color-map.
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Population as the color-map.
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Number of Issues Answered as color-map, which I am only doing one graph because there are way too many who did not answer issues.
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X-axis histogram:
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Y-axis histogram:
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X max: 1693
X min: 360
Y max: 1 - Ratateague with 99.90 % of the population employed.
Y min: 1 - Menta Lee-il with 23.580 % of the population employed.

Going forward, and from the many comments that have contributed largely, note that Employment here does not count the legal age of working, so it would imply that even kids (and even babies) might have some form of work. What that job is up to interpretation - it could be something cruel like babies in hamster wheel, or giving a cutesy name like "Guardian of the Bedroom" which actually gopt registered as legitimate for baby's first job.

High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), High Employment (> 76.50): 1510 nations out of 232271.
Copy-pasted from my previous post, this possibly might be the laws protecting the employees. While there is still the high amount of businesses and freedom that people enjoy, there are still oversights in check to make sure that people are not being treated unfairly in their respective companies. This might pair up with a small bit of sacrifice to the Economic Freedom, but not too much to drop them out of the High Economic Freedom zone. Either that, or these are the oddball nations that allow (or force, depending on how you look at it) kids to work too.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), Low Employment (< 51.33): 703 nations out of 232271.
I will say that Employment, for all accounts and purposes, could be not counted above the table, i.e. under the table exploitation or slavery. For example, look at Menta Lee-il with their very low employment rates. With a nation this dictatorial, Dearest Leader would certainly not want people slacking off and in fact, would have A LOT of people slaving away their days. Perhaps WA just did not manage to count those extra people working in the mines.

High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), Low Employment (< 51.33): 20236 nations out of 232271.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), High Employment (> 76.50): 22314 nations out of 232271.

Copy-pasted from my previous post, the usual and most common trends of having one adversely affecting another. For these nations, high economic freedom might mean that the companies are able to fire anyone on the spot for whatsoever reason, or that there are little to no laws protecting the employees. Maybe there is no union or anything to help them out. Then again, from what I have been told, Employment in NS Stats includes those that we typically not deem as being able to work - the elderly, the disabled, kids, etc. So maybe some of these nations simply have a lot of young kids, retired folks, and the like.

And the other trends regarding Population and Issues Answered!

High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), High Employment (> 76.50), High Population (> 12,672,000,000): 648 nations out of 232271.
High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), High Employment (> 76.50), Low Population (< 67,000,000): 136 nations out of 232271.

High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), High Population (> 12,672,000,000): 23 nations out of 232271.
High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), Low Population (< 67,000,000): 0 nations out of 232271.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), High Employment (> 76.50), High Population (> 12,672,000,000): 527 nations out of 232271.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), High Employment (> 76.50), Low Population (< 67,000,000): 649 nations out of 232271.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 130 nations out of 232271.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 0 nations out of 232271.

High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 23 nations out of 232271.
High Economic Freedom (> 80.00), Low Employment (< 51.33), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 0 nations out of 232271.

Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), High Employment (> 76.50), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 527 nations out of 232271.
Low Economic Freedom (< -78.00), High Employment (> 76.50), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 649 nations out of 232271.


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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:13 pm

Trotterdam wrote:It's entirely possible to have great-tasting food that isn't particularly healthy, or bland-tasting nutrient slurry that still contains everything your body needs to keep going.

The former is especially associated with so-called "junk food", but it can also apply to more gourmet dishes, such as, say, poisoning from improperly-prepared fugu.
Speaking of which, I remembered that we actually have this issue. I observe the results are as follows:
1. the dish 'poisson avec poison' is only available on the black market: -2.55 to -0 Food Quality (mean -0.7796)
2. the dessert 'Death by Chocolate' isn't the most lethal dish on the menu: +0 to +3.03 Food Quality (mean +0.9659)
3. there's a mortuary next to every @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ restaurant: +0 to +4.73 Food Quality (mean +1.1165)
This definitely shows that "Food Quality" is more about taste than health. Which just makes your finding a strong correlation with Health all the more bizarre.

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Postby Merconitonitopia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:05 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Hmm, I don't think the Nordic model is high economic freedom. Rather it's an example of how low economic freedom can get while still falling short of actually banning private enterprise. At least Max Barry thinks so: the "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise" label is given to nations which have high civil rights, middling political rights, and low economic rights.

Well, I hate to say it, but Max Barry's dead wrong there.
Trotterdam wrote:Speaking of which, I remembered that we actually have this issue. I observe the results are as follows:
1. the dish 'poisson avec poison' is only available on the black market: -2.55 to -0 Food Quality (mean -0.7796)
2. the dessert 'Death by Chocolate' isn't the most lethal dish on the menu: +0 to +3.03 Food Quality (mean +0.9659)
3. there's a mortuary next to every @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ restaurant: +0 to +4.73 Food Quality (mean +1.1165)
This definitely shows that "Food Quality" is more about taste than health. Which just makes your finding a strong correlation with Health all the more bizarre.

It seems that the general rule is that tolerating unhealthy food reduces, not increases, food quality. The tasty pufferfish is an exception.
The census appears to be taking a snobbish criteria that looks down on fleb food (pizza, fast food), while the pufferfish gets the thumbs up because it's cultured.

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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:49 am

Well, hey there! This project is certainly not dead, and I am intent on continuing on, even though the data has a shelf life of a banana at this point.

In all seriousness, just like with the megathread, I have just recovered from some IRL stuff that happened in the past 2 weeks, but I am better now, so yeah, thanks for being patient with me, and for sticking with me. ♥


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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:09 am

After a few hours spanning over a few days, it is done! My data now also includes list of policies for each of the nations.

And hey, don't worry, I will still be continuing on and finish up that pending list! ♥

Here's a free sample - Economic Freedom vs Economy vs Existence of Capitalism (0 or 1 - Binary):
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:13 am

So, it's a lot easier to have low Economic Freedom with high Economy than to have high Economic Freedom with low Economy? And the few examples of the latter that exist are capitalist?

And the optimal Economic Freedom is not actually 100, but closer to 80. Either higher or lower than that, and your economy suffers, or at least has a chance of suffering. (I guess too much economic freedom makes it easy for megacorporations to monopolize the market and crush competition?)

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Postby Betelgeuse Alliance » Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:02 am

Hello once again! I'm glad to see that this thread is still going strong and continues to do an amazing job at feeding our curiosity about the stats.

...So, can I drop in another idea?
I have noticed that many nations with high business subsidization generally tend to have economies that are ranked above ''strong'' or ''very strong''. This also seems to be fairly consistent across both capitalist nations and socialist nations. This is why I was wondering if there's indeed any kind of correlation to be found between business subsidization and economic strength, hence I would like to share this idea. It also makes me curious to see how common it is for nations to be an exception to this and have very low subsidization while still having a frightening economy for example, and vice versa. I hope they're out there.

If there does turn out to be a correlation, than that's kind of bad news for nations who want a high-ranking economy without relying on subsidies so much.. So if this idea goes through and the correlation is more or less real, I hope to see plenty of nations proving otherwise, as I already mentioned. :)
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Postby Umbratellus » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:29 am

Salutations, I'd like to request a comparison of Compassion, Niceness, and Inclusivity if possible. The three stats seem almost indistinguishable as is, but I wanted to see just how exactly close they are. Thank you!

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Postby Wizlandia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:55 pm

This is great work. Was wondering if I could request the following:

Black Market vs Economic Freedom
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Culture vs Civil Rights
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:14 pm

Yes, yes! They are still open and no worries, I will try my best to add all these requests in order - and finally breath some life back into this place!

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#5-1: Employment (Y) vs Economy (X)

Postby Valentine Z » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:23 am

Okay, oh dear... it's been so long. Again! So I am using the latest data I have from last month, let's continue from where I have stopped.

#5-1: Employment (Y) vs Economy (X) - Requested by Barlyy.

With the Density Function as the Z-axis:
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The Linear Regression line for Lin-Lin is Y = −0.053 652X + 70.494. The Root-Mean Square Error is 10.0113, the R-Squared Score is 0.0195369, both accurate to 6 significant figures.

Population as the color-map.
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Number of Issues Answered as color-map. Linear scale from 0 to 100, > 100 are log scale.
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X-axis histogram:
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Y-axis histogram:
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X min: 1 - Gaiah with -2.970 Economy.
X max: 1 - Northern Borland with 109.640 Economy.
Y max: 1 - Ratateague with 99.910 % of the population employed.
Y min: 1 - Menta Lee-il with 23.580 % of the population employed.

X and Y relations:

High Economy (> 97.62), High Employment (> 76.49): 4976 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), Low Employment (< 51.64): 2981 nations out of 245465.
High Economy (> 97.62), Low Employment (< 51.64): 19531 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), High Employment (> 76.49): 21505 nations out of 245465.

It is quite difficult for a nation to have Low Economy output and Low Employment, which can be seen as a bit of an irony when you interpret it as the low number of employees resulting in low economy strength. Low Economy strength can also discourage employment, so it goes both ways, I suppose.

High Economy, Low Employment - that can be interpreted in a few ways: Maybe the robots have taken over the production lines, and what we have are a lot of small but very highly-skilled workers in both the blue and white collar jobs. Low Econ, High Employment - Perhaps the opposite with the high number of low-skill workers, and the economy is kinda on the slow side. It is still there, but it's just not moving.

High Econ, High Employment - A LOT of workers from all categories of skills, job type, etc - everything moves at breakneck speed.

Comparison with population:

High Economy (> 97.62), High Employment (> 76.49), High Population (> 12,793,000,000): 1852 nations out of 245465.
High Economy (> 97.62), High Employment (> 76.49), Low Population (< 56,000,000): 0 nations out of 245465.
You cannot get this from the get-go, you need to develop it.

Low Economy (< 22.50), Low Employment (< 51.64), High Population (> 12,793,000,000): 593 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), Low Employment (< 51.64), Low Population (< 56,000,000): 275 nations out of 245465.
Newer nations can also have this from the start, but it is moreso towards the older ones.

High Economy (> 97.62), Low Employment (< 51.64), High Population (> 12,793,000,000): 2343 nations out of 245465.
High Economy (> 97.62), Low Employment (< 51.64), Low Population (< 56,000,000): 0 nations out of 245465.
You cannot get this from the get-go, you need to develop it.

Low Economy (< 22.50), High Employment (> 76.49), High Population (> 12,793,000,000): 273 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), High Employment (> 76.49), Low Population (< 56,000,000): 880 nations out of 245465.
Newer nations get this more than the older/bigger ones.

Comparison with Number of Issues Answered:

High Economy (> 97.62), High Employment (> 76.49), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 3117 nations out of 245465.
High Economy (> 97.62), High Employment (> 76.49), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 282 nations out of 245465.
Ahh, now this paints a clearer picture. While the population is dependent, you can kinda get this if you play your issues properly.

Low Economy (< 22.50), Low Employment (< 51.64), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 20 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), Low Employment (< 51.64), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 2782 nations out of 245465.
You might need to drop issue-answering to not upset this, dismiss a lot of issues in the process.

High Economy (> 97.62), Low Employment (< 51.64), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 5932 nations out of 245465.
High Economy (> 97.62), Low Employment (< 51.64), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 189 nations out of 245465.
Easier for those who answers issues on a regular basis.

Low Economy (< 22.50), High Employment (> 76.49), High Number Of Issues Answered (> 1,000): 20 nations out of 245465.
Low Economy (< 22.50), High Employment (> 76.49), Low Number Of Issues Answered (< 100): 4059 nations out of 245465.
You might need to drop issue-answering to not upset this, dismiss a lot of issues in the process.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:11 am

Huh. That's a really werid-looking graph.

Apparently, strong economies can have a wide range of employment, from "everyone has a job" to "only a quarter of the people do the real work", but weak economies usually have a bimodal distribution of either 74% or 49% employment, with other values being possible but extremely rare.

Also, employment ratings of exactly 60% appear to pretty much just not happen, even though both lower and higher values are common.

Capitalism-socialism split, or some other policy flag that has a major impact on what your economy looks like?

Also note that low employment could mean that the unemployed people are starving... or it could mean that they're being kept happy by welfare and don't feel the need to work.

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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:10 am

Trotterdam wrote:Huh. That's a really werid-looking graph.

Apparently, strong economies can have a wide range of employment, from "everyone has a job" to "only a quarter of the people do the real work", but weak economies usually have a bimodal distribution of either 74% or 49% employment, with other values being possible but extremely rare.

Also, employment ratings of exactly 60% appear to pretty much just not happen, even though both lower and higher values are common.

Capitalism-socialism split, or some other policy flag that has a major impact on what your economy looks like?

Also note that low employment could mean that the unemployed people are starving... or it could mean that they're being kept happy by welfare and don't feel the need to work.

Ahh, I can do that! So here it is as per request - Z-axis highlighting the Existence of Socialism Policy.
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At the time of the data trawl, it was a nation named yuyu_puppet_86 who has exactly 60.0% employment rate. Sadly, this data is outdated as their issue answering made this no longer the case.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:20 am

Looks like I had the right idea. Socialist nations have higher employment (despite welfare in capitalist nations being one of the things that's known to encourage people to not work), unless the economy is very strong (more than 96), in which case all bets are off and any employment rate from 25% to 100% is possible regardless of economic system.

However, the gap at 60% is not explained by this, as there are significant masses of capitalist nations both above and below it.

Employment never seems to drop below about 25%, no matter how good or bad your economy is. Somebody's gotta actually be doing something useful, even if it's just subsistence farming, I guess...

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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:22 am

The lack of nations in the 60% mark, I will probably chalk it up to a quirk from the NS Issues and the Stats mechanics. ^^ *

As for the other bits, these are valid and I do agree! The minimum employment rate still goes to Menta Lee-Il, though whether or not they are hiding away slaves (other unaccounted "employees") is another guess. :P

* Fun fact: Civil Rights, despite having a range from 0 to 100, only has 5125 values across these 200,000+ nations. In short, some values are skipped over, you don't have every single value - 0.00, 0.01, 0.02, etc... The first few went like this:

0.00
0.08
0.09
0.10
0.11
0.12
0.14
0.17
0.20
0.22
0.23
0.25
0.27
0.29
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:57 am

Trotterdam wrote:Looks like I had the right idea. Socialist nations have higher employment (despite welfare in capitalist nations being one of the things that's known to encourage people to not work), unless the economy is very strong (more than 96), in which case all bets are off and any employment rate from 25% to 100% is possible regardless of economic system.
Come to think of it, socialist nations having higher employment makes sense if you remember that the difference is only really dramatic in nations with poor economies. In capitalist nations, people aren't going to bother working if they'll just be paid pathetic wages to do work of neglible value because the economy is crap. In socialist nations, they don't really have a choice, you do what central planning says whether it actually produces useful results or not (and NationStates clearly supports both outcomes).

This is consistent with the data: capitalist citizens become more eager to work as the economy improves (at least sometimes: maximum (non-outlier) employment goes up, but minimum (non-outlier) employment does not, so some nations manage to improve their economy without more people working - presumably these are Scandinavian-like nations with free-ish markets but extensive welfare, which appears to produce very different results from pure socialism as far as NationStates is concerned), while socialist employment varies little and is nearly (but not perfectly) horizontal, except above about 96 economy.

Also worth noting, though, that there are scattered isolated points far outside the main mass of the graph. Very rare does not mean impossible.

Some other oddities, such as capitalist nations having a leftwards "spike" at about 86% employment, between 60-80 economy, that's only visible in the "cyan flags added last" graph, pretty much have to be attributed to weird quirks in the simulation.

Lots of interesting things that you'll miss from a simple linear regression line :) The behavior here is clearly not linear.

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Postby Gonswanza » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:01 pm

I have one odd question to pitch.

Why is it that regardless of what I choose for issues, the black market seems to skyrocket? Only on a select few instances (if any at all) it seems to dip or flatten. Could this be from some WA resolution tampering with economics and law enforcement? Or something else entirely?
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:17 pm

Gonswanza wrote:I have one odd question to pitch.

Why is it that regardless of what I choose for issues, the black market seems to skyrocket? Only on a select few instances (if any at all) it seems to dip or flatten. Could this be from some WA resolution tampering with economics and law enforcement? Or something else entirely?

Both your taxation and economy have been consistently increasing over the past few months. Black market scales positively with both.
As far as the large increase you've seen today, I have no idea. It's difficult to tell just by looking at your stats.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:24 pm

Gonswanza wrote:Why is it that regardless of what I choose for issues, the black market seems to skyrocket?
Do you mean actually seeing black market rise from issues, or just seeing it rise over time?

Black market scales with population (it's the total size of the black market in your nation, not per capita like most other economic scores), which means that it'll increase as your nation gets older, no matter what. A "black market per capita" score has been repeatedly requested, but the admins don't seem to consider it a priority.

Note that Economic Output also scales with population, but it does have a per capita equivalent, Average Income.

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Postby Gonswanza » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:54 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Gonswanza wrote:Why is it that regardless of what I choose for issues, the black market seems to skyrocket?
Do you mean actually seeing black market rise from issues, or just seeing it rise over time?

Black market scales with population (it's the total size of the black market in your nation, not per capita like most other economic scores), which means that it'll increase as your nation gets older, no matter what. A "black market per capita" score has been repeatedly requested, but the admins don't seem to consider it a priority.

Note that Economic Output also scales with population, but it does have a per capita equivalent, Average Income.

It just seems to spike comically with issues, prior it didn't really rise much (if at all) from issues and population updates. Only recently has it started to climb, though. I'm guessing either a recent update tied it to population or there is an actual bug.

Also for a little insider info, I've managed to keep it down to 0.1% of the economy, recently it had risen to about 0.8% before dipping down to 0.5%, only to spike to 0.8% again. Checking trends, the odd spikes seem to occur from November 3rd onwards, with a sharp drop on the 13th (0200)/14th (0200), before a sudden rise shortly after that.
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Postby Window Land » Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:24 pm

Could you do foreign aid vs compassion? And how much of an outlier is isle willte (a puppet of mine)?
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Postby Valentine Z » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:16 pm

Window Land wrote:Could you do foreign aid vs compassion? And how much of an outlier is isle willte (a puppet of mine)?

I'll add this into the list, thanks for the request! ^^

Trotterdam wrote:Lots of interesting things that you'll miss from a simple linear regression line :) The behavior here is clearly not linear.

I can redo that if you want me to, heh. At this point, I have been using linear regression lines all the time.

I can start reusing more degrees... Or power/exponent trends. We shall see!
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Postby Gonswanza » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:15 am

Update on the black market thing: Taxes don't raise it (well, when answering issues)...

The last issue I got was 1432, Oh Dear.

Taxes rose by 0.15%, black market fell by 4.6%, freedom from taxation fell by 4.2%
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