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Thepeopl wrote:Can you make an option: since transppl are more criminally inclined, total ban on trans?

And also an option: make all prisons mixed.

The implication is that people are transitioning while in prison, not before it.

But considering the way politics works, I see both of those as viable extra options.

Baggieland wrote:I'm going to say no to this, because I think it goes too far from the opening premise. As I mentioned earlier, there's another possible issue for nations with low civil rights and the abuse transgender prisoners face. I think your suggestions are also another possible issue for nations with extremely high civil rights, that already give all the protections mentioned in this issue to trans prisoners and are now debating whether to extend those protections to agender / non-binary / everyone else prisoners.

For sure, but the speaker doesn't identify as male or female. The speaker identifies as "alien", and the real person you've based the reference on is agender.

Why would someone who is agender propose that people get to pick their binary gendered institution? How does that help them?

I suggest instead then take out the reference to now identifying as alien.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:

Baggieland wrote:I'm going to say no to this, because I think it goes too far from the opening premise. As I mentioned earlier, there's another possible issue for nations with low civil rights and the abuse transgender prisoners face. I think your suggestions are also another possible issue for nations with extremely high civil rights, that already give all the protections mentioned in this issue to trans prisoners and are now debating whether to extend those protections to agender / non-binary / everyone else prisoners.

For sure, but the speaker doesn't identify as male or female. The speaker identifies as "alien", and the real person you've based the reference on is agender.

Why would someone who is agender propose that people get to pick their binary gendered institution? How does that help them?

I suggest instead then take out the reference to now identifying as alien.

I did wonder - this issue is about trans women, so why does this speaker have to be nonbinary in the first place?

Thepeopl wrote:Can you make an option: since transppl are more criminally inclined, total ban on trans?

And also an option: make all prisons mixed.

Your first suggestion is for people on the outside, this issue is for people on the inside. Your second suggestion is for prisons in general / all inmates, this issue is about trans prisoners only.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:For sure, but the speaker doesn't identify as male or female. The speaker identifies as "alien", and the real person you've based the reference on is agender.

Why would someone who is agender propose that people get to pick their binary gendered institution? How does that help them?

I suggest instead then take out the reference to now identifying as alien.

Hediacrana wrote:I did wonder - this issue is about trans women, so why does this speaker have to be nonbinary in the first place?

Well, that alien quote didn't work out, did it?

I'm just going to revert back to the 'identifies as whatever' bit, but I've changed it to Mettaton's own words of 'don't know, don't care'.

8th draft is up!!

2nd page bump and last call!

I like it. On effect lines:

[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison singing group now has a baritone section
Funny! Though I'd just say choir instead of singing group. Sounds more colloquially correct.

[EFFECT] a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner
Could just be "sometimes a whole prison wing will house a single prisoner"

[EFFECT] the harmonious soprano and baritone sections make the @@CAPITAL@@ Men's Prison singing group a must-see experience
Didn't we more or less do this joke earlier in the issue? I suggest replacing with

[EFFECT] prison officers are easily identifiable from their habit of using the pronoun "zhe" for all inmates

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:[EFFECT] the @@CAPITAL@@ Women's Prison singing group now has a baritone section
Funny! Though I'd just say choir instead of singing group. Sounds more colloquially correct.

I agree and originally I had 'choir' in there, I changed it because of non-Christian nations. I've changed it again to 'vocal club'.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:a prison in a small @@DEMONYM@@ city has an expensive new wing to house a single transgender prisoner
Could just be "sometimes a whole prison wing will house a single prisoner"

That's better, changed.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:prison officers are easily identifiable from their habit of using the pronoun "zhe" for all inmates

Changed slightly to: prison officers are easily identifiable from their habit of using the pronoun 'zhe' all the time. By using the word 'inmates' it suggests this happens in prison - in prison, prison officers are easily identifiable by their uniforms! Also, with my slight change - it could be considered that the officers are using 'zhe' outside of work as well, hence a very successful training program!

Anyway, I've gone ahead and submitted it now.

Good Luck

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