by God Fearing Devoted » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:24 pm
by The United Artherian Federation » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:30 pm
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:38 am
by Trotterdam » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:15 am
The right of blind people to use guns is an actual debate in at least two US states, so I suppose so.Australian rePublic wrote:This raises an interesting questioning. Do disabled people fall under the compulsory gun ownership law? Could that be its own issue?
by USS Monitor » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:19 am
Trotterdam wrote:The right of blind people to use guns is an actual debate in at least two US states, so I suppose so.Australian rePublic wrote:This raises an interesting questioning. Do disabled people fall under the compulsory gun ownership law? Could that be its own issue?
by Victorious Decepticons » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:28 am
The United Artherian Federation wrote:Would you want to piss off a bunch of armed citizens?
I wouldn't think so.
Really, you make owning a gun compulsory, so now every Tom, Dick and Nancy owns a SPAS 12 or Browning .50 cal or something, which gives them to power to kick off a civil war if they don't like your policies (e.g. No Public Protest), so most likely behind the scenes a minister (The game) would change that to keep them content.
Newaswa wrote:What is the greatest threat to your nation?Vallermoore wrote:The Victorious Decepticons.Bluquse wrote:Imperialist, aggressive, and genociding aliens or interdimensional beings that would most likely slaughter or enslave us
rather than meet up to have a talk. :(TurtleShroom wrote:Also, like any sane, civilized nation, we always consider the Victorious Decepticons a clear, present, and obvious threat we must respect, honor, and leave alone in all circumstances. Always fear the Victorious Decepticons.
The Huskar Social Union wrote: ... massive empires of genocidal machines.
by Prusenreich » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:31 am
by Aclion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:37 am
USS Monitor wrote:Trotterdam wrote:The right of blind people to use guns is an actual debate in at least two US states, so I suppose so.
That's disturbing. I mean... The 2nd amendment exists for a reason, but that's well beyond what it was meant for.
by Luna Amore » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:20 pm
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:50 pm
The United Artherian Federation wrote:Would you want to piss off a bunch of armed citizens?
I wouldn't think so.
Really, you make owning a gun compulsory, so now every Tom, Dick and Nancy owns a SPAS 12 or Browning .50 cal or something, which gives them to power to kick off a civil war if they don't like your policies (e.g. No Public Protest), so most likely behind the scenes a minister (The game) would change that to keep them content.
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:50 pm
Trotterdam wrote:The right of blind people to use guns is an actual debate in at least two US states, so I suppose so.Australian rePublic wrote:This raises an interesting questioning. Do disabled people fall under the compulsory gun ownership law? Could that be its own issue?
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:51 pm
Aclion wrote:Well? Are you going to disperse them?USS Monitor wrote:
That's disturbing. I mean... The 2nd amendment exists for a reason, but that's well beyond what it was meant for.
Remember that not all blind people are totally blind. You can be blind and still be a perfectly good shot. (besides with iron sights target shooting the target will be out of focus anyway, while with scopes you can correct for even the worst nearsightedness).
by Trotterdam » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:19 pm
Well, here's a link from an actual newspaper rather than a humor blogger.Australian rePublic wrote:How credible are those sources?
"I have some reservations about full access for people who are blind," said Patrick Clancy, superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School in Vinton, Iowa. "That's just because shooting requires a lot of vision to be accurate outside of controlled settings with safety courses."
"We don't believe there should be a blanket prohibition on blind people owning or carrying guns," said Chris Danielsen, spokesman for the National Federation of the Blind. "It's certainly true that the blind person or visually impaired person needs to be cautious about using a firearm, but so does everybody else."
Also:Private gun ownership — even hunting — by visually impaired Iowans is nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun permit changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least three people who can't legally drive
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:59 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Well, here's a link from an actual newspaper rather than a humor blogger.Australian rePublic wrote:How credible are those sources?
It specifically mentions "allowing the legally or completely blind to acquire permits to carry guns in public", too. It goes on to clarify that the only grounds on which a gun permit may be denied are "criminal background or history of mental illness", which blindness clearly does not fall under.
Some interesting quotes:"I have some reservations about full access for people who are blind," said Patrick Clancy, superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School in Vinton, Iowa. "That's just because shooting requires a lot of vision to be accurate outside of controlled settings with safety courses.""We don't believe there should be a blanket prohibition on blind people owning or carrying guns," said Chris Danielsen, spokesman for the National Federation of the Blind. "It's certainly true that the blind person or visually impaired person needs to be cautious about using a firearm, but so does everybody else."
Another article clarifies that:Also:Private gun ownership — even hunting — by visually impaired Iowans is nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun permit changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least three people who can't legally drive
According both articles (though the former quotes the latter on this), gun ownership by blind people is legal in Iowa (the topic of the articles) and Wisconsin, and illegal in Nebraska and South Carolina. Missouri and Minnesota, don't technically impose a vision requirement, but do require you to demonstrate you can shoot and hit a target (that presumably isn't making any sound), which would be difficult for blind people to accomplish.
Mind you, these articles are from 2013, so some of the information may be outdated.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:43 am
by Australian rePublic » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:53 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Why is noone drafting an Issue on guns for blind people? Seems tailor-made for NS to me.
by Trotterdam » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:21 am
by Bears Armed » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:12 am
by Trotterdam » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:26 am
by Australian rePublic » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:44 pm
Bears Armed wrote:If you ban blind people from even owning guns, then what happens to guns that are family heirlooms? Banning them from owning ammunition for those weapons would suffice.
by The Sherpa Empire » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:39 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Bears Armed wrote:If you ban blind people from even owning guns, then what happens to guns that are family heirlooms? Banning them from owning ammunition for those weapons would suffice.
I don't actually know what happens with heirlooms in places where guns are banned, after the legal owner dies. What if the ammo is also an heirloom?
by Australian rePublic » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:32 am
The Sherpa Empire wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:I don't actually know what happens with heirlooms in places where guns are banned, after the legal owner dies. What if the ammo is also an heirloom?
I think the exact laws vary depending where you are, but it's pretty common for gun laws to treat antiques or "collectibles" differently than modern weapons that people carry around and actually use.
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